Gold Buyers?

Tweek · April 2014

Etchesketch wrote: »

Get rid of gold spam, easy. Just offer the gold in the online store.

I couldn't care less if people want to pay extra so they can buy a horse or whatever. Doesn't affect me.

The constant spam does.

This, I believe, would be the best solution....then add raid dungeons with bound items drops better than the items that can be sold so people cannot buy top tier gear.

KerinKor · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

Believe me I am in a few guilds and know some people I talk to over skype and you would be surprised the amount of people that buy and sell gold to each other and buy off these gold spammer sites.

Oh yes, it's a huge industry you're right.

Thing is, buyers are willing to 'risk' it because they're not risking anything. If Zenimax publicly banned buyers most would stop at once fearing loss of the account and the 'investment' they had made.

But, as I said before, the revenue Zenimax and other gold-buyer-loving MMO companies bring in .. of which Turbine was clearly not one .. means RMT are a permanent feature of this game because buyers have no reason to fear.

Tweek · April 2014

Hyperventilate wrote: »

There were two fellas in The Rift chatting away in zone chat yesterday about how much money they purchased from gold sellers. One said that the website he buys from is touting 500k for 90 USD. Crazy.

I agree. Gold BUYERS are the issue. If people stop buying, sellers have to stop selling. Permaban first offense.

ETA: Buyers do not need to be "warned'. They know what they're doing is wrong, and if they don't, they're dumb enough to deserve the ban twicefold. Warning buyers is ridiculous.

Wow, that's quite the abrasive opinion. Wouldn't want to play your MMO lol...

starkerealm wrote: »

I seriously hope you reported them. There have already been reports on these forums of people having their gold balance zeroed because they claimed they were gold buyers.

I think this is the most appropriate way to deal with them....zeroing their gold balance.

thegamekittenub17_ESO · April 2014

KerinKor wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

Believe me I am in a few guilds and know some people I talk to over skype and you would be surprised the amount of people that buy and sell gold to each other and buy off these gold spammer sites.

Oh yes, it's a huge industry you're right.

Thing is, buyers are willing to 'risk' it because they're not risking anything. If Zenimax publicly banned buyers most would stop at once fearing loss of the account and the 'investment' they had made.

But, as I said before, the revenue Zenimax and other gold-buyer-loving MMO companies bring in .. of which Turbine was clearly not one .. means RMT are a permanent feature of this game because buyers have no reason to fear.

I have to agree with this about the buyers don't have anything to fear. If there was a punishment for buying gold, this in itself would lessen the gold sellers.

I know GW1 would have a GM come in and kill 1000s of players with a ban hammer for buying and selling gold. It was awesome to watch I forget his name but he looked like the reaper. And they did a good many times and the gold sellers started to slowly fade to almost nothing.

But they did indeed ban buyers as well. A friend of mine bought gold and bragged about it...>.> She met the doomslayer of GW1. She was perm ban from the game.

helgekhb16_ESO · April 2014

clean the account as a warning then perm ban if they do it again

Tweek · April 2014

thegamekittenub17_ESO wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

Believe me I am in a few guilds and know some people I talk to over skype and you would be surprised the amount of people that buy and sell gold to each other and buy off these gold spammer sites.

Oh yes, it's a huge industry you're right.

Thing is, buyers are willing to 'risk' it because they're not risking anything. If Zenimax publicly banned buyers most would stop at once fearing loss of the account and the 'investment' they had made.

But, as I said before, the revenue Zenimax and other gold-buyer-loving MMO companies bring in .. of which Turbine was clearly not one .. means RMT are a permanent feature of this game because buyers have no reason to fear.

I have to agree with this about the buyers don't have anything to fear. If there was a punishment for buying gold, this in itself would lessen the gold sellers.

I know GW1 would have a GM come in and kill 1000s of players with a ban hammer for buying and selling gold. It was awesome to watch I forget his name but he looked like the reaper. And they did a good many times and the gold sellers started to slowly fade to almost nothing.

But they did indeed ban buyers as well. A friend of mine bought gold and bragged about it...>.> She met the doomslayer of GW1. She was perm ban from the game.

Yeah but that's only because GW has that gem cashshop...you can trade those for gold. SO they want players buying from their cashshop and not from gold sellers.

starkerealm · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

Hyperventilate wrote: »

There were two fellas in The Rift chatting away in zone chat yesterday about how much money they purchased from gold sellers. One said that the website he buys from is touting 500k for 90 USD. Crazy.

I agree. Gold BUYERS are the issue. If people stop buying, sellers have to stop selling. Permaban first offense.

ETA: Buyers do not need to be "warned'. They know what they're doing is wrong, and if they don't, they're dumb enough to deserve the ban twicefold. Warning buyers is ridiculous.

Wow, that's quite the abrasive opinion. Wouldn't want to play your MMO lol...

starkerealm wrote: »

I seriously hope you reported them. There have already been reports on these forums of people having their gold balance zeroed because they claimed they were gold buyers.

I think this is the most appropriate way to deal with them....zeroing their gold balance.

Yeah, you borked up the quote tags, there.

Tweek · April 2014

I just want the gold spammers to go away without my gold buying buddies going with em.....lol

AlliN · April 2014

If they want to punish paying customers for buying gold, which isn't doing anything to anyone else, no farming, not botting, no nothing..

Are you serious? Do you know a term called inflation? What gold BUYERS do, they inject the economy with money, efectively rising prices, lowering the rariry of rare items and messing up game economy.

Thing is, without gold buyers, there would be no gold sellers. Do demand, no supply - not the other way around.

There's gold sellers in WoW as well....and the buyers aren't banned ever, however they don't spam zone chat anymore...which is rather nice. Not that I have played WoW in a while.

Totally not true, confirmed gold buyers were banned in number of thousands, and that was stated many, many times. There wre at least 3 giantic ban waves for gold buyers. Same for account traders.

If they want to punish paying customers for buying gold, which isn't doing anything to anyone else, no farming, not botting, no nothing

What you've just said, is, that they can ignore cheaters becasue they are paying customers. Buying gold from bot gold farmers is cheating game economy, and other players, by gaining something that was not created by the player - same as duplicating items. The only difference is when duping items you don't pay for it. Buying gold is basicaly duplicating a game item by outside 3rd party means, and that's cheating.

BTW, some of you sound like you've already made your gold purchase.

Tweek · April 2014

starkerealm wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

Hyperventilate wrote: »

There were two fellas in The Rift chatting away in zone chat yesterday about how much money they purchased from gold sellers. One said that the website he buys from is touting 500k for 90 USD. Crazy.

I agree. Gold BUYERS are the issue. If people stop buying, sellers have to stop selling. Permaban first offense.

ETA: Buyers do not need to be "warned'. They know what they're doing is wrong, and if they don't, they're dumb enough to deserve the ban twicefold. Warning buyers is ridiculous.

Wow, that's quite the abrasive opinion. Wouldn't want to play your MMO lol...

starkerealm wrote: »

I seriously hope you reported them. There have already been reports on these forums of people having their gold balance zeroed because they claimed they were gold buyers.

I think this is the most appropriate way to deal with them....zeroing their gold balance.

Yeah, you borked up the quote tags, there.

Sorry bro, fixed.

thegamekittenub17_ESO · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

thegamekittenub17_ESO wrote: »

KerinKor wrote: »

Tweek wrote: »

Believe me I am in a few guilds and know some people I talk to over skype and you would be surprised the amount of people that buy and sell gold to each other and buy off these gold spammer sites.

Oh yes, it's a huge industry you're right.

Thing is, buyers are willing to 'risk' it because they're not risking anything. If Zenimax publicly banned buyers most would stop at once fearing loss of the account and the 'investment' they had made.

But, as I said before, the revenue Zenimax and other gold-buyer-loving MMO companies bring in .. of which Turbine was clearly not one .. means RMT are a permanent feature of this game because buyers have no reason to fear.

I have to agree with this about the buyers don't have anything to fear. If there was a punishment for buying gold, this in itself would lessen the gold sellers.

I know GW1 would have a GM come in and kill 1000s of players with a ban hammer for buying and selling gold. It was awesome to watch I forget his name but he looked like the reaper. And they did a good many times and the gold sellers started to slowly fade to almost nothing.

But they did indeed ban buyers as well. A friend of mine bought gold and bragged about it...>.> She met the doomslayer of GW1. She was perm ban from the game.

Yeah but that's only because GW has that gem cashshop...you can trade those for gold. SO they want players buying from their cashshop and not from gold sellers.

Guild Wars 1 did not have a gem shop. This is where it happened. I do not play Guild Wars 2 because to me it is a fail game in my opinion and I just couldn't get into it even after leveling a character to cap level.

But it was GW 1. Not 2.

robert · April 2014

Ban the buyers, immediately.

Shouldn't be a problem for them, they can always buy a new account, instead of Gold, and try again...

Etchesketch · April 2014

So let's say I go to Subway to get a sandwich and there is a guy in the lobby selling free coupons for free sandwiches (at low cost obviously) and the dude is announcing the deal on a loud speaker, so you buy the great deal.

You get to the counter and order, but when you use the card, the cashier says, sorry you can't use those cards, you are either too stupid to eat lunch, or you should have known better. We don't allow people to buy our coupons. Get out and never come back.

I look at the cashier and then back over to the guy (10 feet away) who is still continuing to non stop sell the coupons....

Offer the gold in the online store and it solves this entire mess.

Tweek · April 2014

AlliN wrote: »

If they want to punish paying customers for buying gold, which isn't doing anything to anyone else, no farming, not botting, no nothing..

Are you serious? Do you know a term called inflation? What gold BUYERS do, they inject the economy with money, efectively rising prices, lowering the rariry of rare items and messing up game economy.

Thing is, without gold buyers, there would be no gold sellers. Do demand, no supply - not the other way around.

There's gold sellers in WoW as well....and the buyers aren't banned ever, however they don't spam zone chat anymore...which is rather nice. Not that I have played WoW in a while.

Totally not true, confirmed gold buyers were banned in number of thousands, and that was stated many, many times. There wre at least 3 giantic ban waves for gold buyers. Same for account traders.

If they want to punish paying customers for buying gold, which isn't doing anything to anyone else, no farming, not botting, no nothing

What you've just said, is, that they can ignore cheaters becasue they are paying customers. Buying gold from bot gold farmers is cheating game economy, and other players, by gaining something that was not created by the player - same as duplicating items. The only difference is when duping items you don't pay for it. Buying gold is basicaly duplicating a game item by outside 3rd party means, and that's cheating.

1. Nope- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/shop/anti-gold/

"What happens to people who buy gold?

Players who choose to buy gold and support these exploitive companies may find the purchased gold removed from their account so that it can be returned to the rightful character. If it was your gold, wouldn’t you want it back?"

I've played WoW for eight years now.

2. Nope, buying gold is basically....buying gold.

AlliN · April 2014

Offer the gold in the online store and it solves this entire mess.

and gold sellers will offer it cheaper, as they generate it at almost no-effort rate (bots and scams).

And they will still advertise they have cheaper gold.

Yeah, fixed a lot.

Etchesketch · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

If they want to punish paying customers for buying gold, which isn't doing anything to anyone else, no farming, not botting, no nothing..

Are you serious? Do you know a term called inflation? What gold BUYERS do, they inject the economy with money, efectively rising prices, lowering the rariry of rare items and messing up game economy.

Thing is, without gold buyers, there would be no gold sellers. Do demand, no supply - not the other way around.

There's gold sellers in WoW as well....and the buyers aren't banned ever, however they don't spam zone chat anymore...which is rather nice. Not that I have played WoW in a while.

Totally not true, confirmed gold buyers were banned in number of thousands, and that was stated many, many times. There wre at least 3 giantic ban waves for gold buyers. Same for account traders.

If they want to punish paying customers for buying gold, which isn't doing anything to anyone else, no farming, not botting, no nothing

What you've just said, is, that they can ignore cheaters becasue they are paying customers. Buying gold from bot gold farmers is cheating game economy, and other players, by gaining something that was not created by the player - same as duplicating items. The only difference is when duping items you don't pay for it. Buying gold is basicaly duplicating a game item by outside 3rd party means, and that's cheating.

1. Nope- http://us.battle.net/wow/en/shop/anti-gold/

"What happens to people who buy gold?

Players who choose to buy gold and support these exploitive companies may find the purchased gold removed from their account so that it can be returned to the rightful character. If it was your gold, wouldn’t you want it back?"

I've played WoW for eight years now.

2. Nope, buying gold is basically....buying gold.

True, played wow for many years since launch on Cenarion Circle. They don't punish gold buyers other than maybe taking gold, but that I am fairly sure only happens with bulk gold removal of duped gold and such.

KerinKor · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

Yeah but that's only because GW has that gem cashshop...you can trade those for gold. SO they want players buying from their cashshop and not from gold sellers.

LOTRO had no P2W shop for the first several years of its life, Turbine had the spine and integrity to go after the buyers anyway.

Tweek · April 2014

Etchesketch wrote: »

So let's say I go to Subway to get a sandwich and there is a guy in the lobby selling free coupons for free sandwiches (at low cost obviously) and the dude is announcing the deal on a loud speaker, so you buy the great deal.

You get to the counter and order, but when you use the card, the cashier says, sorry you can't use those cards, you are either too stupid to eat lunch, or you should have known better. We don't allow people to buy our coupons. Get out and never come back.

I look at the cashier and then back over to the guy (10 feet away) who is still continuing to non stop sell the coupons....

Offer the gold in the online store and it solves this entire mess.

THIS.

AlliN · April 2014

No, not this, THIS:

and gold sellers will offer it cheaper, as they generate it at almost no-effort rate (bots and scams).

And they will still advertise they have cheaper gold.

Yeah, fixed a lot.

KerinKor · April 2014

Etchesketch wrote: »

Offer the gold in the online store and it solves this entire mess.

Please, just go play GW2, Rift or any of the other pay-to-win games out there if that's what you want to do.

Tweek · April 2014

AlliN wrote: »

No, not this, THIS:

and gold sellers will offer it cheaper, as they generate it at almost no-effort rate (bots and scams).

And they will still advertise they have cheaper gold.

Yeah, fixed a lot.

NOPE.....THIS:

If they did the gold shop thing than they could ban gold buyer who buy for cheaper off of other sellers...along with the sellers....why?

Because they obviously don't have alot of money if they need to buy risky gold for cheaper prices..thus they can afford to ban em.

I say Zenimax open up a gold shop.

robert · April 2014

Tweek wrote: »

AlliN wrote: »

No, not this, THIS:

and gold sellers will offer it cheaper, as they generate it at almost no-effort rate (bots and scams).

And they will still advertise they have cheaper gold.

Yeah, fixed a lot.

NOPE.....THIS:

If they did the gold shop thing than they could ban gold buyer who buy for cheaper off of other sellers...along with the sellers....why?

Because they obviously don't have alot of money if they need to buy risky gold for cheaper prices..thus they can afford to ban em.

I say Zenimax open up a gold shop.

Then why not just perma-ban the Gold buyer and skip the PTW?

AlliN · April 2014

@‌Tweek
So, You are saying they could do exactly same thing as they can do now? Wow, what a fix!

Because they obviously don't have alot of money if they need to buy risky gold for cheaper prices..thus they can afford to ban em.

If they are paying for subscription, they would still be "paying customers" so what difference does it make? Now you are contradicting yourself, becasue previously you said they can't ban paying customers.

Make up Your mind - right now, you are willing to ban people on the rich/poor basis. If that's not wrong, I don't know what is. Rich guy doing P2W - ok, poor guy buying from gold seller - ban. Come on mate.

Tweek · April 2014

Well we have three choices....

1. Ban sellers...not the buyers(currently going on I think)
-Best opinion imo

2. Open a cash shop where Zenimax sells gold
-Second best option but makes the game pay to win unless they do raid dungeons for top tier gear, and make said gear unsellable(Bind on Account)

3. Ban both Buyers, and Sellers...
-Worst choice imo because then you have players who know gold buyers leaving, gold buyers quitting the game(not making new accounts, and huge loss of profits), and usually games that ban buyers have harsher bans in genral where people often get banned for no reason(happened to me in RuneScape...look where Runescape is now...went from 150,000+ active players to 20,000..will die soon for this reason)

Etchesketch · April 2014

KerinKor wrote: »

Etchesketch wrote: »

Offer the gold in the online store and it solves this entire mess.

Please, just go play GW2, Rift or any of the other pay-to-win games out there if that's what you want to do.

ROFLOL, why is this always the final argument for some folk? Do you think there is even the smallest chance that I care about your childish response?

Again, most of the people that worry about people buying gold are people that care way too much about what other players do. I couldn't care less.

Offer the gold in the ESO store and most people that buy gold will buy it from there, even if it costs more.

starkerealm · April 2014

AlliN wrote: »

No, not this, THIS:

and gold sellers will offer it cheaper, as they generate it at almost no-effort rate (bots and scams).

And they will still advertise they have cheaper gold.

Yeah, fixed a lot.

To say nothing of the part that once the developers start selling a resource, it is in their best interest to monetize the hell out of that resource.

Even if it's presented at face value, you'd never be able to trust that they weren't artificially restricting your access to it, to drive you to the cash shop.

Who here played Dead Space 3? Was the resource pay out in that designed to give you a balanced experience or to get you to cough up cash for the grab bags?

I for one, do NOT, want a repeat of Cryptic's metered currencies.

AlliN · April 2014

That would be as reasonable as arresting slave sellers, but leaving alone slave keepers. Becasue, they, like, don't create the problem.

Gold TRAFFIC is bad, from both sides. Buyer creates market. If there would be no ***, there would not be people who profit on them exploiting children.

Do you get my point now? I know it's a harsh metaphore, but I see I'm not comming through.

Endolith · April 2014

They have to address the buyer in some way significant enough to stop the problem. Sellers generate new accounts all the time and don't care about the bans. Buyers presumably want to play and do care. Taking the gold is a decent idea. Personally, I'd update the TOS and start banning buyer accounts. Put a message up when the launcher starts to warn people. That would put a dent in the problem.

Etchesketch · April 2014

AlliN wrote: »

That would be as reasonable as arresting slave sellers, but leaving alone slave keepers. Becasue, they, like, don't create the problem.

Gold TRAFFIC is bad, from both sides. Buyer creates market. If there would be no ***, there would not be people who profit on them exploiting children.

Do you get my point now? I know it's a harsh metaphore, but I see I'm not comming through.

Your fictional slave seller/buyer aren't standing in the police department doing business. The seller isn't using the Police intercom to advertise.

andarielle70b16_ESO · April 2014

Ban both! I have no tolerance for people ruining a game's economy and for the ones who support this. Period!