When selling crowns, which is more important to protect?

Saelent · August 2019

If you don’t like the idea of selling crowns and don’t otherwise have an opinion on the following subject, please feel free to message me your outrage, just don’t invade the thread.

For everyone else:

Which is more important when trading crowns? What needs the most protection?

I ask this because as a crown seller I have been asked for scam protection in the form of half crowns before the gifting. But I’ve always been worried (especially in high crown trades) of the other person running away before they give me the rest of the gold.

In case anyone is curious:
I don’t zone trade, unless looking for a buyer who is advertising their wish to buy, then I contact the advertising buyer. Otherwise I contact people who have advertised wanting to buy through Black Market Crowns. What I’m saying is, if you haven’t seen me advertising in zone chat and you’re wondering why, it’s because I don’t sell that way.
Also, I am not currently selling.

RouDeR · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

I`m always capturing video and notifying the other trader that i`m doing so
while we are making the deal. So far i`ve spent millions on crowns without any issues

VaranisArano · August 2019

This exemplifies something many of us said on the PTS and have continued to say: ZOS really needs to design a proper Crown/Gold trading UI that properly safeguards everyone without the need for player middlemen or "guarantees."

max_only · August 2019

The real life money of the seller.

They just need to let us list the giftable items in the guild traders. Done and done.
1. “Purchase as gift”
2. have an empty recipient
3. item appears as container in your bag.

Done.

Saelent · August 2019

RouDeR wrote: »

I`m always capturing video and notifying the other trader that i`m doing so
while we are making the deal. So far i`ve spent millions on crowns without any issues

I’m glad you’ve found a way to be secure in the trade.

VaranisArano wrote: »

This exemplifies something many of us said on the PTS and have continued to say: ZOS really needs to design a proper Crown/Gold trading UI that properly safeguards everyone without the need for player middlemen or "guarantees."

While usually I prefer the idea of ‘trust’ and a ‘more natural’ trade, the anxiety I get during a half and half trade sends my heart rate through the roof. So I agree there should be some kind of protection for both sides.

CAB_Life · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

It would be ideal for everyone involved if they implemented a WoW style conversion market. Taking that to its logical conclusion: it would further increase MAU (all these businesses LOVE their MAU) by allowing F2P players to grind for gold > purchase crown items and/ or game time.

The_Shadowborn · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

Can use guarantors like this https://discord.gg/JXdr87V, they have an NA branch too

es4eva · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

On small amounts, I will do it all up front. Larger purchases get half and half. It's hardly ideal, but it's worked for me so far.

We do need a more formalized system, yes.

Dusk_Coven · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

Both sides need protection -- no one wants to be ripped off.
Crown Promissory Notes would be great.

jainiadral · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

VaranisArano wrote: »

This exemplifies something many of us said on the PTS and have continued to say: ZOS really needs to design a proper Crown/Gold trading UI that properly safeguards everyone without the need for player middlemen or "guarantees."

Completely agree. The lack of this kind of system keeps me from touching crowns-to-gold trading altogether. I've used official exchanges a lot in the past-- they're fantastic. IMHO, both parties deserve protection in the exchange.

Chicharron · August 2019

The safest way is that ZOS sell tickets at the crowns store, e.g.

750 crowns ticket - 5500 crown ticket.

And that could be put on sale in the guild stores.

jainiadral · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

Chicharron wrote: »

The safest way is that ZOS sell tickets at the crowns store, e.g.

750 crowns ticket - 5500 crown ticket.

And that could be put on sale in the guild stores.

That might actually get me to shop and spend gold.

AhPook_Is_Here · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

If you want security become an escrow merchant, it doesn't even take imagination to implement and it's all the security you need. Two parties want to trade? Both must trade to you first and you take 1% of each side. You just have to build a reputation as being trusted. Maybe someone can give you a good google review.

jainiadral · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

If you want security become an escrow merchant, it doesn't even take imagination to implement and it's all the security you need. Two parties want to trade? Both must trade to you first and you take 1% of each side. You just have to build a reputation as being trusted. Maybe someone can give you a good google review.

There's no way I'd straight-up trust another player in that kind of transaction. Google reviews are no guarantee; they can easily be faked.

Saelent · August 2019

jainiadral wrote: »

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

If you want security become an escrow merchant, it doesn't even take imagination to implement and it's all the security you need. Two parties want to trade? Both must trade to you first and you take 1% of each side. You just have to build a reputation as being trusted. Maybe someone can give you a good google review.

There's no way I'd straight-up trust another player in that kind of transaction. Google reviews are no guarantee; they can easily be faked.

While I would love reviews to be trusted (it would make selling easier) I agree, they can be faked.

idk · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

The way I see it is only a fool is going to trade large sums of gold with a stranger and even bigger fool trading crowns with a stranger. All risk and no protection.

kmcaj · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

I buy lots of crowns *edit with in game gold*. Been ripped off once. As a l buyer I prefer when people send items first just because I know that I have no intention to scam anyone. Never had issues paying gold upfront until I got scammed, that took a lot of trust and enjoyment out of the game. Luckily I've made some friends, whom I've done many trades with, that are stress free and now to the point where everything is trust sent on both ends. However, when I have to deal with someone new the process makes me anxious and I still give gold first. Wish ZOS would just make this easy. It's not like if I get scammed again I'm just going to say oh well and buy my own crowns, it'll just make me want to quit the game. I can't justify buying these items with real money but enjoy getting them with gold. Some people would rather buy my gold. To each their own.

hasi · August 2019

The in game gold from the buyer.

Both is equally in general, I guess. But from hearing things etc. it seems to be more likely of the Gold-Paying Person to be scammed rather than the one selling Crowns, that's why I picked this option.

Also, when I bought Crowns, I always made sure to not pay first. I am not a big fan of paying half in front neither, cause that person could still run off and have some sort of win.
Although a lot of the sellers were sceptical, they always sent me the wanted Item(s) first. Never got scammed and neither got they. :-)

ZonasArch · August 2019

I find that it's up to the buyer to decide if they trust the seller, and up to the seller to make themselves trustworthy, by means of being a guildie or using a crown trading service like TCE.

Personally, I've had people even sending me the gifts before I've sent money, which I find weird because I believe in buyer pay first, get product second. Never had a problem within my guilds, or TCE, and. I've bought over 25k crowns at this point.

The most important thing to keep safe, to me, is proof of the terms of the deal. Screenshot every interaction or record the screen, that way, you should be backed by ZOS in case of scam.

bmnoble · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

My general rule is, I forward half the gold first to show I am serious about buying, once I receive the gifted item, I send the rest of the gold.

All while making sure to record the transaction via video and screen shots.

More often than not though I just buy crowns via the auctions my trade guilds hold to raise funds for the trader bids.

zvavi · August 2019

Other opinion.

I mean, my general rule was to get proof of the deal, but from one of the posts here few days back (the one that got scammed but even with video proof didn't get his gold back), i might change my approach. Which is to buy only from know sellers.
Also poll is weird, it doesn't feel like there is an option of "both needs to be protected" and the option "neither it is equal" can be understood both ways, that non needs protection or that both needs protection

rpa · August 2019

Other opinion.

ZOS should just sell tradeable crown tokens and be done with it.

Siohwenoeht · August 2019

The real life money of the seller.

Gold is earned in-game, crowns are purchased with real money, even through ESO +, therefore the seller is the most vulnerable of losing real assets. No contest.

Dusk_Coven · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

Siohwenoeht wrote: »

Gold is earned in-game, crowns are purchased with real money, even through ESO +, therefore the seller is the most vulnerable of losing real assets. No contest.

All depends on framing.
Gold is earned with TIME spent in the time.
Time is more important than money. So gold is more important than time.

But then you could say real life money is earned with time too.
So they are both equal.

No one likes to be ripped off. That's the real issue.

Nordic__Knights · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

I buy only in guild because ps4 NA has an very toxic player base and ive been scammed on other things in game ( crafting, gear sales) more then once but at the end of the day time is money no matter if. Its in game gold or real life green backs time was put into making both

BigBragg · August 2019

Neither, it’s equal.

They are both a measure of a person's time and effort.

Sandman929 · August 2019

The real life money of the seller.

I sell pretty much exclusively from a FB group where anyone can look back over past sales posts.
Gold first, always. And if that doesn't work, they can go elsewhere. Someone else will always buy them, no hard feelings.

Miaura · August 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

The safest way is that ZOS sell tickets at the crowns store, e.g.

750 crowns ticket - 5500 crown ticket.

And that could be put on sale in the guild stores.

Yep! So much this! I would buy crowns from other players then. I`m not against the "social" aspect of direct player to player trading, used to play Guild Wars with only that for years; but I dont like it at all if real money is involved.

Holycannoli · August 2019

The real life money of the seller.

My real life money is more important than your fantasy gold. If I were to sell crowns I'm taking the risk and demanding the protections. I get paid in advance and then you get your crowns. I'm not giving a single penny's worth of crowns without payment. It's my real life money and you want some of it, you do what I say in the transaction.

I don't sell or buy crowns in game though.

Delpi · August 2019

Chicharron wrote: »

The safest way is that ZOS sell tickets at the crowns store, e.g.

750 crowns ticket - 5500 crown ticket.

And that could be put on sale in the guild stores.

This ^^^^^^^^^

Starlock · August 2019

The real life money of the seller.

What's more important than any of this is for the developers to set up a global gold-to-crown exchange that facilitates this and takes any risk of being ripped off out of the equation entirely. It would also be a step forward in making microtransactions in this game more ethical.

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