Czekoludek wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Magblades are probably smallest group here and in general false. Stamsorc is - false it's just your opinion same as mine.

Give us a reason to pick mass histerya over the Turn Evil.
You’re Magicka, not stamina

Give us a reason to use Lotus fan over the Flying Blade
Stammmmmmmina

give us reason to use Phantasmal Escape over the Shuffle.
Sta.... you get the point by now

I think you don't understand the rest. Why play magicka NB if EVERY aspect of character is better when playing stamina? The only advantage you have as a magblade is that you can use cloak more but everything else is worse than stamblade has. Magblade has every skill worse, can't use roll dodge, needs to invest a lot in stamina to be able to cc break.

Welcome to the world of Stamsorc. Magblade is still really strong. I don’t understand the complaint here. Change your build to your weaknesses instead of asking for buffs. Every player is different. You can’t always just copy some youtubers build and expect it to be God tier for you.

1) You can perma cloak (I understand cloak is unreliable)
2) You have arguably the best class passives in the game
3) You have access to multiple class skills that make you tanky (Phantasmal, Merciless, Dark Cloak)
4) You have some of the best sustain passives
5) You have the best burst potential

Stamsorc is better in every way then magNB. In PvE it is one of the strongest specs in game, in PvP they are very good if build right. Magblade is weakest PvE spec together with magdens, in PvP they are strong only in experienced hands. So yeah, I really want to join the world of stam sorcs

In pve, stam toons usually better than mag, so camperison in between stam sorc and magnb is not valid to begin with. Now if you compare stam sorc and stam nb, I say you same skills as stam sorc and you can beat them. Stam sorc only have 3 offensive passives, 1 rely on HP as more hp to enemy=more dmg, other one increase WD for each sorc ability in bar, and sorc only use 1 or 2 on front bar so that is 4%, last one is solid 5%phyiscal dmg. All other passives afe geared towerd sustain. Stam sorc rely heavily on weapons and fighter guild skills, NB caj do that if they want along with their better passives. It will be homogenization though, you will not see much different between stam sorc and NB, only 1 or 2 skills different.

As for pvp, stam sorc only benifit of 7-8 passives of their class, 10 if you run pets. MagNB easily benifit of atleast 10 passives if not all, and Nightblade passives seems superior to sorcerer passives on my opinion. Stam sorc used to be the fastest class in games when no one has access to minor/major expedition, now everyone does. Also, snare criple sorc speed that is already same as everyone else. Streak got buffed a bit but that is mag ability and not sustainble as much on stam sorc like magsorc. No burst heal unless using pets(dark deal is both cast time and interptable, thus not burst heal. They have a great hot in cp and *** in no cp via surge. Burst comdo is not as strong as NB due to luck of skills. Survivability is low unless runing heavy armor for health recovery and relying too much on troll king. Low resistance is death sentance. Last thing, hurricane is so load and very telegraphed, you can see a stam/mag sorc come from acroos the map or from from behind. Really bad when trying to raid someone or group.

Now everything I said about stam sorc in pvp is oppesite for mag/stam nightblade. More passives geared toward sustain/survivability/dmg. Easy access to speed either via class or general skills as well as class snares. Shadow image in some situations is far better than streak and easily sustainable on both magicka and stamina specs, now it is fixed to work everywhere again. No burst heal for NB but reliable very HOT in both cp and no cp. Better burst combo due to instant spamables and stuns. Also, NB has built in class debuffs for great increase of dmg potentioal and that allow for build diversity, only possible ways to get fracture on sorc for instant is via mother gaze set or puncture skill of snb making builds very limited. Cloak is another skill in nb toolkit that allows them to be true glass canon unlike any other class, sometimes it is easy counterable, that is if you know you are facing NB and not dead. Why in cloak, NB in god mode unless discovered. (Note this skill might not work well against zerglings due to excessive amount of aoe spam). Now if you tey to compare shields to cloak, you don't need any resistance for cloak, you can be essentioaly naked and unkillable. Shields require investing in health, magicka, and resistance. If any of the mention is low, it can severly effect the shield power.

I know it's a long post and I'm sorry for that, just had to do some explaination.

Vortigaunt wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Magblades are probably smallest group here and in general false. Stamsorc is - false it's just your opinion same as mine.

Give us a reason to pick mass histerya over the Turn Evil.
You’re Magicka, not stamina

Give us a reason to use Lotus fan over the Flying Blade
Stammmmmmmina

give us reason to use Phantasmal Escape over the Shuffle.
Sta.... you get the point by now

I think you don't understand the rest. Why play magicka NB if EVERY aspect of character is better when playing stamina? The only advantage you have as a magblade is that you can use cloak more but everything else is worse than stamblade has. Magblade has every skill worse, can't use roll dodge, needs to invest a lot in stamina to be able to cc break.

Welcome to the world of Stamsorc. Magblade is still really strong. I don’t understand the complaint here. Change your build to your weaknesses instead of asking for buffs. Every player is different. You can’t always just copy some youtubers build and expect it to be God tier for you.

1) You can perma cloak (I understand cloak is unreliable)
2) You have arguably the best class passives in the game
3) You have access to multiple class skills that make you tanky (Phantasmal, Merciless, Dark Cloak)
4) You have some of the best sustain passives
5) You have the best burst potential

Stamsorc is better in every way then magNB. In PvE it is one of the strongest specs in game, in PvP they are very good if build right. Magblade is weakest PvE spec together with magdens, in PvP they are strong only in experienced hands. So yeah, I really want to join the world of stam sorcs

I guess cancerous gank builds with onslaught and caluurion is only way for magblade identity now...
Tbh, I don't even want to build anything with onslaught because it is obvious as day this ability will be nerfed hard as soon as patch hits live. It won't even survive for one patch. One or two weeks max.

Calurion on a gank build? Lol

^ Good. One less person to use my Caluurion's gank build.

I figured they go the other way and buff/rework/balance CLASS skills to make this game more interesting to play. A stamblade for instance doesn't feel very NB ish they only use like three class skills and the rest are fighter's guild and weapon skills. I mean I guess at least they have a spammable but its' pretty bland too. Mag blades really only had path of shadows and relentless that made them special. Why not make their ultimate's the shadow one on par with the skill line ultimates? Both my NB's would love dropping a veil of shadows down and beating bad guys down. How about making veil of shadows a little like the vampire bat swarm thingy where with in the veil you go invisible and jump from enemy to enemy in a frenzy. That would be too cool right? Whatever I guess making everyone use the same skills are the way to go. You know best.

Vortigaunt wrote: »

Kuramas9tails wrote: »

Vortigaunt wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

Czekoludek wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Mayrael wrote: »

Magblades are probably smallest group here and in general false. Stamsorc is - false it's just your opinion same as mine.

Give us a reason to pick mass histerya over the Turn Evil.
You’re Magicka, not stamina

Give us a reason to use Lotus fan over the Flying Blade
Stammmmmmmina

give us reason to use Phantasmal Escape over the Shuffle.
Sta.... you get the point by now

I think you don't understand the rest. Why play magicka NB if EVERY aspect of character is better when playing stamina? The only advantage you have as a magblade is that you can use cloak more but everything else is worse than stamblade has. Magblade has every skill worse, can't use roll dodge, needs to invest a lot in stamina to be able to cc break.

Welcome to the world of Stamsorc. Magblade is still really strong. I don’t understand the complaint here. Change your build to your weaknesses instead of asking for buffs. Every player is different. You can’t always just copy some youtubers build and expect it to be God tier for you.

1) You can perma cloak (I understand cloak is unreliable)
2) You have arguably the best class passives in the game
3) You have access to multiple class skills that make you tanky (Phantasmal, Merciless, Dark Cloak)
4) You have some of the best sustain passives
5) You have the best burst potential

Stamsorc is better in every way then magNB. In PvE it is one of the strongest specs in game, in PvP they are very good if build right. Magblade is weakest PvE spec together with magdens, in PvP they are strong only in experienced hands. So yeah, I really want to join the world of stam sorcs

I guess cancerous gank builds with onslaught and caluurion is only way for magblade identity now...
Tbh, I don't even want to build anything with onslaught because it is obvious as day this ability will be nerfed hard as soon as patch hits live. It won't even survive for one patch. One or two weeks max.

Calurion on a gank build? Lol

^ Good. One less person to use my Caluurion's gank build.

Everyone who says calurion is a good magblade gank setup is either a terrible ganker or never actually ganks good players.

If you want to gank and annoy the sweaty small scalers with 30k+ hp in heavy you need the ability to 1 hit them, possibly 2 hit if the second hit is a finisher. Calurion doesn’t do that. And take this from someone who’s been doing gank builds for a very very long time.

In no-CP if you set it up right, it's perfect for ganking:

Cloak - Heavy Attack + Lotus Fan (Caalurion Proc) - Fear - Incap

It's ridiculously strong when an enemy is alone and not prepared.

It's still strong when you focus down enemies with your team.

It's weak when you try to go up against a ball group by yourself.

Moonsorrow wrote: »

Magblades problem is sort of that not so many players have it as "main" or amongst their most active characters for pvp, thus there wont become any huge riots when some things get changed.. and the fact that stamblade being one of the topdogs for so long and the attempts to nerf it often end up more painful to magblade in the end since stamblade can adapt with more realistic & viable alternative setups.

I play all classes and specs, but my most active when soloing, doing battlegrounds and Cyro overland are my trusty stamsorc and my magblade damage/healer combo, with quick gear change can always go do bombing too when see a chance.

After years of PC EU Cyrodiil can almost name all the 100-200 "daily familiar face" type of players who are the most active (thousands more who play casually every now and then) and can tell that there is only like a handful of really active magblades, so always when i see an enemy magblade brawling with someone, i pretty much let them fight without me going to interrupt them, magblades code of honor lol.

Sometimes after fighting someone and taken them down have seen some enemy soon leveled up a magblade because it seems strong when used by experienced player, then in couple of days they are back to their old class and never see them playing their magblade anymore. Because it is not easy. Yeah can make a ganker, but.. not that many are suspectible for ganking than one thinks - AND stamblade makes more efficient & easy ganker & brawler combo so many not stick with magblade even for ganking.

Playing magblade is challenging for most. Cannot just steamroll to objectives and hold your ground there as can with some sturdy stam specs that are universally good at brute forcing their way to objectives and then holding them with Corrosive or Goliath and so on up. Magblade ends up (and is very good though) as a support/healer/ranged dps realistically on battlegrounds. Yes, can make troll tank setups like with any class, but those are not that fun and only are good for 1 thing.

Gonna still be playing my magblade next patch too. Doing my thing. Deep in enemy lands a lonely character sieges keeps alone, between keeps where enemies are riding to attack, i am waiting.. when it is silent on some resource flag and enemies are all standing there, bombs will happen. Such is the way of a magblade. *does the Whispering Claw Kata*

One thing though: Please @ZOS_Gilliam give Major Breach on our class Fear since you made the new universal Fear Evil awesome for stam users. Would not be OP and a small cool addition for PVE nightblade tanks too. You know you want to.

I hope you're a Covenant Mageblade... Because we'd be brothers after that post haha exactly how I feel.