Can Dk’s get their old wings back since sorcs.....

jecks33 · July 2019

why the f*** put sorcs in every discussion? some sorc touched you when you were young??

Zer0_CooL · July 2019

Or simply remove the cc imunity that is granted after the enemy is pulled with the chain.

Hashtag_ · July 2019

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I would like wings back to the way they were tbh. The reflect was fair af and people could easily play around it. I hate pushing now on magdk its incredibly boring and almost ends up always the same burst projectiles nuke me down even with 50% mitigation before I can even activate dragon blood or smth.

I doubt it will happen though, I am going back to bombblade next patch either way because its the only fun I can have in PvP right now.

Old wings were broken and negated range specs completely. New wings is balanced.

irstarkey57 · July 2019

jecks33 wrote: »

why the f*** put sorcs in every discussion? some sorc touched you when you were young??

Reason being since zos wants to standardize every class. Also, weird comment...

irstarkey57 · July 2019

Derra wrote: »

irstarkey57 wrote: »

Basically what title says. Can we have our old wings back to fight against ranged since a magdk will never ever catch a sorc even with chains. We also had nearly all of our skills increase in cost as well and they still have *** strong shields. (I also play magsorc)

I don´t believe you play a sorc bc a dk on pts is well equipped to murder a sorc that ever decides to fight them - if you care i´d gladly log my dk on pts and show you what i mean.

Believe what you want. I play all classes.

xylena_lazarow · July 2019

Derra wrote: »

but those are two slots you´re using ._. hardly comparable. also harness is no bueno vs stam - which is the majority of opponents i have on EU anyway for some reason.

You said you're using Wings in conjunction with the gap closer, so its two for two. Wings does absolutely nothing against most Stam builds, save for maybe pure Snipe spam? Even then, it's only an issue when I'm already being zerged, and it's still the curses, beams, and auto-execute explosions that are killing me, none of which are mitigated by Wings.

xeNNNNN · July 2019

Cathexis wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I would like wings back to the way they were tbh. The reflect was fair af and people could easily play around it. I hate pushing now on magdk its incredibly boring and almost ends up always the same burst projectiles nuke me down even with 50% mitigation before I can even activate dragon blood or smth.

I doubt it will happen though, I am going back to bombblade next patch either way because its the only fun I can have in PvP right now.

Lol they were horribly broken.
They basically cut any ability from pvp that was reflectable, which was the majority of projectiles in the game...because why would you use anything that was just going to be immediately reflected back at you continually.

It was the only reasonable way for magdk to push anything. At least stamdk can sprint forever and has a ton of chances to breakfree because stampool.

I dont fancy getting insta gimped by sorcs and bowblades and templar javelin spam at absurd distances thanks and despite the reach change I am not going to become a range reach DK thanks. Horribly boring. Even with immopots its boring as hell and being forced to slot heavy armor just to put immovable on would just be crap too. MagDKs are always melee and for the most part always have been. The fact they they were near pure magicka melee balanced it out. If people wanted to reduce the uptime on the reflects they should of just given wings the streak treatment. Would be useless for stamDKs but its a mag ability anyway.

of course people will conveniently ignore that fact because they like their ranged builds having total dominance.

was it so horrible that ranged actually had a counter? on a super expensive magicka class that required a defense against ranged stuns because it was pure mag melee with no stampool to make use of warlord?

xeNNNNN · July 2019

Hashtag_ wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I would like wings back to the way they were tbh. The reflect was fair af and people could easily play around it. I hate pushing now on magdk its incredibly boring and almost ends up always the same burst projectiles nuke me down even with 50% mitigation before I can even activate dragon blood or smth.

I doubt it will happen though, I am going back to bombblade next patch either way because its the only fun I can have in PvP right now.

Old wings were broken and negated range specs completely. New wings is balanced.

"balanced" 50% mitigation which does nothing against absurd power creep crits. Yeah "balanced".

Furthermore - this is why you never mindlessly spammed into wings when you saw it up. It was very easy to play around and I've got punished before for being overly reliant on wings in certain fights which is fair and deserved because they KNEW how to play around it. I dont see why a hard counter should be removed just to placate a very annoyingly loud group of bad players.

Xarc · July 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

80% of AD are stealth Legolas wannabes

well, looks like we do not play in the same version of tamriel, maybe another plan.

Noobslayer3255 · July 2019

Xarcus wrote: »

90% stamDK stopped pvp since wings have been nerfed.
GJ zenimax.

As a DCplayer, fighting tons of Aldmeri MAGES all projectiles builds is a pain. and AD are 80% mages.

Why make things up? Stam DKs are everywhere in cyrodiil, holding block with insane self healing until they get their corrosive up, then nuking anyone foolish enough to not kite out their corrosive.

No_Division · July 2019

xeNNNNN wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I would like wings back to the way they were tbh. The reflect was fair af and people could easily play around it. I hate pushing now on magdk its incredibly boring and almost ends up always the same burst projectiles nuke me down even with 50% mitigation before I can even activate dragon blood or smth.

I doubt it will happen though, I am going back to bombblade next patch either way because its the only fun I can have in PvP right now.

Old wings were broken and negated range specs completely. New wings is balanced.

"balanced" 50% mitigation which does nothing against absurd power creep crits. Yeah "balanced".

they both are somewhat broken. But at least new wings lets you hit the target (even though its 50% dmg mitigation followed by 50% battlespirit. Can take a 15k range skill tooltip down to 3750 with just one cast. Add in block, and its another 50% followed by at least another 10% (down to 1687 now).

killingspreeb16_ESO · July 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

50% damage reduction isn't enough for you?

The best CCs and roots in the game aren't enough for you?

One of the hardest hitting ults in the game isn't enough for you?

Maybe you should roll Nightblade so you can be even more spoiled than you are now

I don't think magsorc can speak of begin spoiled rofl.
But hey magsorc player think their class is trash even when it's clearly at the top.

For the OP i don't mind to wing reflect to return but if they actually add some counterplay to it.
The best suggestion proposed by many was to make wings work only on certain range,you could even buff wings if they ended to be weak that way.

Hard counter can be fine on ult that can't be spammed not on normal skill.

Derra · July 2019

irstarkey57 wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

irstarkey57 wrote: »

Basically what title says. Can we have our old wings back to fight against ranged since a magdk will never ever catch a sorc even with chains. We also had nearly all of our skills increase in cost as well and they still have *** strong shields. (I also play magsorc)

I don´t believe you play a sorc bc a dk on pts is well equipped to murder a sorc that ever decides to fight them - if you care i´d gladly log my dk on pts and show you what i mean.

Believe what you want. I play all classes.

Then you probably didn´t play sorc on pts bc sth like "strong shields" does not exist there anymore.

amir412 · July 2019

No, that skill literally has no counter for ranged based classes.

Wihuri · July 2019

Xarcus wrote: »

90% stamDK stopped pvp since wings have been nerfed.

90% stamDK stopped pvp since faction lock was reintroduced.

TrinityBreaker · July 2019

Hashtag_ wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I would like wings back to the way they were tbh. The reflect was fair af and people could easily play around it. I hate pushing now on magdk its incredibly boring and almost ends up always the same burst projectiles nuke me down even with 50% mitigation before I can even activate dragon blood or smth.

I doubt it will happen though, I am going back to bombblade next patch either way because its the only fun I can have in PvP right now.

Old wings were broken and negated range specs completely. New wings is balanced.

Correction: They negated 4 projectiles for 3780 magicka . (Mag)DK sustain is already pretty garbage so you could barely keep it up with everything you had to do. Let's say (Stam)DK dropped igneous shield and spiked armor. I could use that maybe 3 times and be OoM. I'd rather have the unique old wings than the boring mitigation wings we have now.

Derra · July 2019

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I would like wings back to the way they were tbh. The reflect was fair af and people could easily play around it. I hate pushing now on magdk its incredibly boring and almost ends up always the same burst projectiles nuke me down even with 50% mitigation before I can even activate dragon blood or smth.

I doubt it will happen though, I am going back to bombblade next patch either way because its the only fun I can have in PvP right now.

Old wings were broken and negated range specs completely. New wings is balanced.

Correction: They negated 4 projectiles for 3780 magicka . (Mag)DK sustain is already pretty garbage so you could barely keep it up with everything you had to do. Let's say (Stam)DK dropped igneous shield and spiked armor. I could use that maybe 3 times and be OoM. I'd rather have the unique old wings than the boring mitigation wings we have now.

Are we comfortable ignoring that they also reflected the dmg resulting not only negated dmg but also 10k+ tooltip dmg to your opponent (if they spammed it away with lightattacks).

Avnr · July 2019

Just keep unique class skills
Wings makes dk unique just like other classes

Range - sorc have shields , nb an hide , temp can self heal... wings help close the gap

Xvorg · July 2019

Emma_Overload wrote: »

50% damage reduction isn't enough for you?

The best CCs and roots in the game aren't enough for you?

One of the hardest hitting ults in the game isn't enough for you?

Maybe you should roll Nightblade so you can be even more spoiled than you are now

no... especially when they put you those horrible dots that bypass that 50% mitigation.

At least as a sorc you have a shield, as a DK you are naked.

And it's gonna be worse next patch

Xvorg · July 2019

Joy_Division wrote: »

Xarcus wrote: »

90% stamDK stopped pvp since wings have been nerfed.
GJ zenimax.

As a DCplayer, fighting tons of Aldmeri MAGES all projectiles builds is a pain. and AD are 80% mages.

Stam DKs are very strong atm.

80% of AD are stealth Legolas wannabes

It was a GJ by Zenimax because broken skills aren't fun. I'd like my blinding flashes back too you know.

1- One skill oes not make a class strong, just bvoring
2- They are pretty much happy with the change to wings, are you?
3- You can have them back the day they give DKs old cinder storm back... or you forget that both skills suffered the very same nerf?

Lokey0024 · July 2019

Attrition based class that dies or expends resources faster then any other class. And no execute.

I'd gladly take a damage shield from wings. Let's make it based on 75% of the MDK spell resistance. And heals for half the damage, since it doesn't stop melee damage And is so expensive.

And Let's use Sorc logic, you don't have to fight them, just let them run away or run yourself. You don't have to fight, You know.

Aedaryl · July 2019

24-07-2019

"Sorc have shields, as a DK you are naked And it's gonna be worse next patch"

Said Scrubs needing to l2p.

Jodynn · July 2019

I'm a DK main, wings were stupid OP before and annoying, they are OP in a different way now but in a more fair way imo; to be honest, this isn't the problem DK's need addressed, stamDK doesn't have a class spam and magDK doesn't have an execute period, moreover, eruption is being hit super hard next patch in PvE and makes it feel heavy cost with low reward, they could make searing heart affect it and give it 20% more damage to burning enemies to balance it with wall of elements; I don't have a problem killing any class, sorc is no exception, Flames of oblivion doesn't always hit the right target even now that it hits two ( why not just like a flame cloak ? ) and stonefist regardless of what people say is a useless skill for magDK, fossilize goes up in cost rightfully so but as a vampire I'll just use elusive drain in PvP in PvE lol why would I use either; obsidian shield needs a mag morph so it's useful to magDK and dragon blood 20% health recovery is beyond useless since it's a major buff on tripots anyways, we have no purge, why not have it purge one effect on cast?

Point is, DK has bigger issues than this non-issue.

MincVinyl · July 2019

50% mit against any amount of projectiles
or
100% mit against 4 attacks

Does anyone know how math works anymore?

lets say within 4 seconds you get hit with 10 light attacks that do 1000 dmg each = 10,000 dmg recieved

with:
50% mit you recieve = 5,000 dmg
or
4x 100% mit you receive = 6000 dmg

The change to wings was a good change that made it a tool to avoid being overwhelmed by ranged attacks when outnumbered. Previously it was an automatic stalemate in a 1v1, current wings avoids that, even though 50% mit is still insane to burst through in a 1v1. I can't understand how people are upset at having one of the better 1vX tools available in the game.

If you are having trouble chasing down a sorc spec into having major expedition. In the end if someone who is built to be fully mobile is trying to get away from you, they will get away from you. On my main stamsorc if I don't want to fight/deal with a cc spamming dk I am just going to walk past you. If a NB doesn't want to deal with you they will cloak. If a Templar doesn't want to deal with you they will purge your dots and walk away. etc...

Each kit has methods of getting away, it isn't only sorcs that can escape. If you want to build to chase people down you probably won't be able to slot 5-6 forms of cc on your bar, hate to break it to ya.

Rake · July 2019

Make wings give major defile to these attacking DK for 3 sec

TrinityBreaker · July 2019

Derra wrote: »

TrinityBreaker wrote: »

Hashtag_ wrote: »

xeNNNNN wrote: »

I would like wings back to the way they were tbh. The reflect was fair af and people could easily play around it. I hate pushing now on magdk its incredibly boring and almost ends up always the same burst projectiles nuke me down even with 50% mitigation before I can even activate dragon blood or smth.

I doubt it will happen though, I am going back to bombblade next patch either way because its the only fun I can have in PvP right now.

Old wings were broken and negated range specs completely. New wings is balanced.

Correction: They negated 4 projectiles for 3780 magicka . (Mag)DK sustain is already pretty garbage so you could barely keep it up with everything you had to do. Let's say (Stam)DK dropped igneous shield and spiked armor. I could use that maybe 3 times and be OoM. I'd rather have the unique old wings than the boring mitigation wings we have now.

Are we comfortable ignoring that they also reflected the dmg resulting not only negated dmg but also 10k+ tooltip dmg to your opponent (if they spammed it away with lightattacks).

Yup. If someone wants to stay out of range and think there will be no consequences or snipe glitch, they deserve that 10k spec now or whatever skill back in their face.

josh.lackey_ESO · July 2019

Reflect is broken af. They need to remove pulls from PvP too. Chain should work only to pull you to the target in PvP. Nothing worse than a bunch of people trying Xv1 you while one spamming chains.

master_vanargand · July 2019

Reflective Scales is strong.
Shut up the liar.

MaxJrFTW · July 2019

Magsorcs need to be nerfed further, i agree. Don't know giving dks their wings back though, they were busted.

Derra · July 2019

Xvorg wrote: »

3- You can have them back the day they give DKs old cinder storm back... or you forget that both skills suffered the very same nerf?

cinder storm was 20% miss for anyone in it
blinding flashes was 100% miss for 4s

i don´t think that´s comparable really