Honest question about DK

Cortimi · July 2019

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Can anyone actually explain to me the point of sDK any more?

Aedaryl · July 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Can anyone actually explain to me the point of sDK any more?

You need to start by knowing others classes before complaining. In other words, l2p.

Then you need to log on PTS and actually tests things.

But start by L2P please.

mobicera · July 2019

It's not just sDK...
I'm starting to wonder what's the point of classes in general...

Cortimi · July 2019

Aedaryl wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Can anyone actually explain to me the point of sDK any more?

You need to start by knowing others classes before complaining. In other words, l2p.

Then you need to log on PTS and actually tests things.

But start by L2P please.

That's so brilliant and articulate. Your insight is amazing. Congrats, you stated a completely useless sentence. You tried to act intelligent, but your glaring lack of specifics or insight pretty much exposed you as someone inept, rude, or both.

I play every class, so your assumption is false. On every class other than DK, I can work around the changes, even if I hate them.

I never said other classes weren't getting changed.

I never said DKs are the only ones getting nerfed.

I said that these nerfs are impacting it in a SiGNIFICANT, and MEANINGFUL way that renders me obviously looking for options that I have not found before, as the class seemingly lacks a supportive toolkit for versatile play.

So please, learn to read, and think before you type.

MartiniDaniels · July 2019

Bro, just install PTS and look on noxious/claw tooltips after today's buff. They are sweet.

Hyzock · July 2019

Cortimi wrote:

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs).

If this is the case you have a l2p issue. This isn't an insult since we all started somewhere but you shouldn't be making these claims about the class if you're still learning it.

Cortimi wrote:

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Heavy armor snb isn't a niche build, its a bis (best in slot) build in the current patch. It isn't the only way to make stamdk viable, but it currently is the best way.

Cortimi wrote:

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Wings didn't get deleted, it arguably got buffed in outnumbered situations because of uptime.

Cortimi wrote:

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Which is good, the stam meta (if you ignore stamblade for a sec) has been fury seventh for years.

Cortimi wrote:

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Sword and shield will still be very good if you run it back bar.

Cortimi wrote:

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

The corrosive nerf is a good nerf because you could get insane afk damage with dots while corrosive is up, which now got removed. You will still have insane dmg while corrosive is up, it just won't be as broken anymore.

Cortimi wrote:

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

I don't think you realise how strong aoe major fracture is.

Cortimi wrote:

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Adapting to the new meta and practicing sdk is what you're supposed to do.

Cortimi wrote:

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Sorc sustain got hit hard, you're being biased.

TheRealSniker · July 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do?

Git gud and stop being carried by a broken spec?

Aedaryl · July 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Can anyone actually explain to me the point of sDK any more?

You need to start by knowing others classes before complaining. In other words, l2p.

Then you need to log on PTS and actually tests things.

But start by L2P please.

That's so brilliant and articulate. Your insight is amazing. I play every class, so your assumption is false.

I never said other classes weren't getting changed.

I never said DKs are the only ones getting nerfed.

I said that these nerfs are impacting it in a SiGNIFICANT, and MEANINGFUL way that renders me obviously looking for options that I have not found before, as the class seemi fly lacks a supportive toolkit for versatile play.

So please, learn to read, and think before you type.

Well you definitely need to L2P, you just proved it.

Your "defensive" set up with 1h&S fury 7th bloospawn deal a tons of damage while being the tankiest damage dealer in the game.

Wings never was your main defense, because it only work VS projectiles and the majority of the 12 classes don't rely on it.

Then, wings got buffed in 1vX scenario.

After, you slot defensive posture which only counter range playstyle when most of the classes again are melee.

S&B and the new spammable make offensive S&B DK still working. You can use turn evil as BIS stun and heroic slash as a buff skill.

"Defensive" sets you speak about are still the best offensives one, the gap is just reduced.

Noxious is an AoE debuff skill, not a spammable, will not feel a big difference in PvP and corrosive nerf is one of the most logical nerfs they done, because the ultimate was borderline overperforming.

Finally, Magsorc got gutted for PvP while Stamdk will probably still be the number 1 on live.

Xvorg · July 2019

Aedaryl wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Can anyone actually explain to me the point of sDK any more?

You need to start by knowing others classes before complaining. In other words, l2p.

Then you need to log on PTS and actually tests things.

But start by L2P please.

Did you read his signature or you suffer from tunnel vision?

Aedaryl · July 2019

Xvorg wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Can anyone actually explain to me the point of sDK any more?

You need to start by knowing others classes before complaining. In other words, l2p.

Then you need to log on PTS and actually tests things.

But start by L2P please.

Did you read his signature or you suffer from tunnel vision?

There is no signature on mobile site.

And I don't need to read his signature to understand that he need to learn how other classes work and how the game both offense and defense in general work.

He is wrong on heavy meta sets, on Sorcs, on wings and on S&B.

He doesn't understand how his classe work s and how others one work too

Davadin · July 2019

StamDK here. OP, u'll be fine. just try exploring med builds as well. defensive 1H/S is still OK but u won't get blown in 3 sec if u got medium.

plus, u can blow them up instead.

Corrosive (and Onslaught) allowing DoT to bypass resistance is a little OP. I can use 2H Axe, bleed it, use Carve, then Nox breath, that's potentially 3 DoT in just 2 seconds. then i pop Corrosive? that's too much. u know how many people i did that too when defending Sej/Bleaker today?

def buff up, build ulti, get out main gate, Carve, Nox, Caltrops, get back inside, pop Corrosive.

1H/S is fine. StamDK is definitely fine.

just don't go tunnel vision on heavy 1H/S.

Aedaryl wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Aedaryl wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Can anyone actually explain to me the point of sDK any more?

You need to start by knowing others classes before complaining. In other words, l2p.

Then you need to log on PTS and actually tests things.

But start by L2P please.

That's so brilliant and articulate. Your insight is amazing. I play every class, so your assumption is false.

I never said other classes weren't getting changed.

I never said DKs are the only ones getting nerfed.

I said that these nerfs are impacting it in a SiGNIFICANT, and MEANINGFUL way that renders me obviously looking for options that I have not found before, as the class seemi fly lacks a supportive toolkit for versatile play.

So please, learn to read, and think before you type.

Well you definitely need to L2P, you just proved it.

Your "defensive" set up with 1h&S fury 7th bloospawn deal a tons of damage while being the tankiest damage dealer in the game.

Wings never was your main defense, because it only work VS projectiles and the majority of the 12 classes don't rely on it.

Then, wings got buffed in 1vX scenario.

After, you slot defensive posture which only counter range playstyle when most of the classes again are melee.

S&B and the new spammable make offensive S&B DK still working. You can use turn evil as BIS stun and heroic slash as a buff skill.

"Defensive" sets you speak about are still the best offensives one, the gap is just reduced.

Noxious is an AoE debuff skill, not a spammable, will not feel a big difference in PvP and corrosive nerf is one of the most logical nerfs they done, because the ultimate was borderline overperforming.

Finally, Magsorc got gutted for PvP while Stamdk will probably still be the number 1 on live.

Noxious is pretty spammable. the Poison damage kinda suck but when it's that cheap and AoE, it's easy spam.

the DoT helps too.

Fur_like_snow · July 2019

AFK damage?? What about afk mitigation? NB hits cloak and now NONE of my dots deal any damage. It’s not afk if I have to spend GCD to apply a DoT effect.

Xvorg · July 2019

Ok, I'm going to rephrase what the OP is trying to say:

DKs (and specially SDKs) are *** tired of learning to play again and again each patch.

Every single buff or nerf done to the class kill playing styles, and the only one that seemed to work for over 2 years is S/B on 7th legion and fury. And even that got nerfed.

You see, any sDK trying to run a bow is doing it wrong because the bow brings absolutely nothing to the table. Your dmg is lower (DK has no natural way to build penetration or crits) and you will be misusing 2 of the best passives of the class: Iron skin and elder dragon. Not to mention that almost all the ardent lame skill line will be useless.

DW and 2H can be an option but it forces you to aim for DD while you are puting DoTs with your class passives, though being effective with DD requires you to move around the feild, something the sDK can't do easily on HA (don't mention chains, please, it has been heavily debated the uselessness of that buff in a gap closer/pull), and medium armor does not provided neither enough mitigation, nor enouh dmg (see my coment of a sDK with a bow)

Then it comes the word, the class is PIGEONHOLED into S/B. It is the only way to survive with your lack of mobility and your lack of dmg, and even that got nerfed. First on class skills (whoever says that wings were buffed nows nothing about the class or is blattanly lying) and now on it's only decent class dmg input. ZoS not only didn't buff Corrosive, to make it an option to Leap or DBoS, they just gave an improved version of it to everyone carrying a 2H weapon. So, now, realizing that the new Onslought was to strong, they just nerfed Corrosive, a skill that wasn't giving problems anyone before OS buff.

And you dare come here to say the OP has L2P issues? What do you have for eyelids, briskets?

Aedaryl · July 2019

Fur_like_snow wrote: »

AFK damage?? What about afk mitigation? NB hits cloak and now NONE of my dots deal any damage. It’s not afk if I have to spend GCD to apply a DoT effect.

It's not AFK if the NB need a global cool down to apply cloak.

nsmurfer · July 2019

Lol, stamDk is second strongest on PvP after magsorc. Get real

Xsorus · July 2019

Xvorg wrote: »

Ok, I'm going to rephrase what the OP is trying to say:

DKs (and specially SDKs) are *** tired of learning to play again and again each patch.

Every single buff or nerf done to the class kill playing styles, and the only one that seemed to work for over 2 years is S/B on 7th legion and fury. And even that got nerfed.

You see, any sDK trying to run a bow is doing it wrong because the bow brings absolutely nothing to the table. Your dmg is lower (DK has no natural way to build penetration or crits) and you will be misusing 2 of the best passives of the class: Iron skin and elder dragon. Not to mention that almost all the ardent lame skill line will be useless.

DW and 2H can be an option but it forces you to aim for DD while you are puting DoTs with your class passives, though being effective with DD requires you to move around the feild, something the sDK can't do easily on HA (don't mention chains, please, it has been heavily debated the uselessness of that buff in a gap closer/pull), and medium armor does not provided neither enough mitigation, nor enouh dmg (see my coment of a sDK with a bow)

Then it comes the word, the class is PIGEONHOLED into S/B. It is the only way to survive with your lack of mobility and your lack of dmg, and even that got nerfed. First on class skills (whoever says that wings were buffed nows nothing about the class or is blattanly lying) and now on it's only decent class dmg input. ZoS not only didn't buff Corrosive, to make it an option to Leap or DBoS, they just gave an improved version of it to everyone carrying a 2H weapon. So, now, realizing that the new Onslought was to strong, they just nerfed Corrosive, a skill that wasn't giving problems anyone before OS buff.

And you dare come here to say the OP has L2P issues? What do you have for eyelids, briskets?

I'll point out how silly the change is right now for Stamina DK Dot builds

You get more out of using Magma Shield vs Corrosive on PTS, Its slightly less damage and provides a chance of proccing the fire dot which will cover your other dots on a Purge, not to mention...It provides a massive shield as well.

Sleep724 · July 2019

nsmurfer wrote: »

Lol, stamDk is second strongest on PvP after magsorc. Get real

StamNB and StamWarden. Get real yourself

Davadin · July 2019

Xvorg wrote: »

Ok, I'm going to rephrase what the OP is trying to say:

...

Then it comes the word, the class is PIGEONHOLED into S/B. It is the only way to survive with your lack of mobility and your lack of dmg, and even that got nerfed. First on class skills (whoever says that wings were buffed nows nothing about the class or is blattanly lying) and now on it's only decent class dmg input. ZoS not only didn't buff Corrosive, to make it an option to Leap or DBoS, they just gave an improved version of it to everyone carrying a 2H weapon. So, now, realizing that the new Onslought was to strong, they just nerfed Corrosive, a skill that wasn't giving problems anyone before OS buff.

i kinda want to disagree with the whole pigeonholed perspective. i still prefer using Steed as a Mundus, and 2H's Crit Strike/other morph got buffed nicely too. Chain has its purpose too, but if ur thinking more on the defensive side, Race Against Time is still a thing, and I hear good things with Elude/morph from med armor...

which speaking of which, wanted to brought up, my own personal Nord experience is that Med Armor doesn't hurt THAT much. Yes, u may want to consider Troll King, or Steed Mundus, or tweak a thing or two instead of going all Infused (wd)/Bloodthirsty and be a glass cannon (leave it to the StamBlades), but honestly, as the "DoT class" and access to pretty good arsenal of skills.... (class or otherwise), and with Corrosive's nerf, stamDK is still a very fun and viable class for PvP.

And you dare come here to say the OP has L2P issues? What do you have for eyelids, briskets?

god that made me hungry...

nsmurfer · July 2019

Sleep724 wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

Lol, stamDk is second strongest on PvP after magsorc. Get real

StamNB and StamWarden. Get real yourself

lol, Ok, that showed that you never do real PvP and are probably a zergling

Shanehere · July 2019

Sleep724 wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

Lol, stamDk is second strongest on PvP after magsorc. Get real

StamNB and StamWarden. Get real yourself

All you need against StamNB is a detect pot and the ability to strafe against a Stam Warden.

Cortimi · July 2019

Right, the passives just aren't there for now or DW. For everyone saying "l2p", it's obvious they have never seen DK passives. Block bonuses, weak dot synergies, some extra healing while certain things are active, etc. The class is fundamentally built around attrition, the word the devs use but seem to lack understanding of.

If you build around utilizing the passives to block with a bow/DW/2H, your are "doing it wrong". That's why 1h/s made the "most" sense. Not saying the rest didn't work at all, they just didn't work as well as other options.

As far as wings goes, they only ones I notice saying it was a "buff" are the clench spammers, bit that's getting changed too hopefully so we'll see.

SkysOutThizeOut · July 2019

I mained dk for 3 years. Sdk is looking pretty op. Major mending on a 184% vigor.... my noxious breath just got a 7% buff on direct damage! Noxious breath hits harder than ransack ever did! Oh and it’s non dodgeable and aoe... and procs poison. Oh yeah, our t covert just got buffed thru passives because of “cost increase.” 7m range on onslaught and executioner (400% damage). Oh yeah leap is now even better next to Db since it doesn’t have a delay and hits properly. I’ve been playing sdk with cauterize on medium all damage and can’t die. This vigor too. Sdk need a nerf bat to the face. It’s so disgusting I’m playing warden now.

Lokey0024 · July 2019

Guess popping immovable pots/corrosive after dot up pissed off the wrong people. So did they buff the DoT or duration? Add defile? Anything cool?

Pr0Skygon · July 2019

Hyzock wrote: »

Cortimi wrote:

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs).

If this is the case you have a l2p issue. This isn't an insult since we all started somewhere but you shouldn't be making these claims about the class if you're still learning it.

Cortimi wrote:

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Heavy armor snb isn't a niche build, its a bis (best in slot) build in the current patch. It isn't the only way to make stamdk viable, but it currently is the best way.

Cortimi wrote:

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Wings didn't get deleted, it arguably got buffed in outnumbered situations because of uptime.

Cortimi wrote:

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Which is good, the stam meta (if you ignore stamblade for a sec) has been fury seventh for years.

Cortimi wrote:

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Sword and shield will still be very good if you run it back bar.

Cortimi wrote:

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

The corrosive nerf is a good nerf because you could get insane afk damage with dots while corrosive is up, which now got removed. You will still have insane dmg while corrosive is up, it just won't be as broken anymore.

Cortimi wrote:

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

I don't think you realise how strong aoe major fracture is.

Cortimi wrote:

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Adapting to the new meta and practicing sdk is what you're supposed to do.

Cortimi wrote:

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Sorc sustain got hit hard, you're being biased.

I wanna high five you in real life. I really do.

Pr0Skygon · July 2019

Just my opinion: If you complain about ZOS nerfing the top tier meta and ruin your current playstyle, then you've never played ESO as an RPG, ever. Playing an RPG to me is all about customization and adapting to what is given to me, not chasing BIS builds, or copying youtubers/streamers. The biggest joy for me in ESO is to make "my own build", play what I like, play it however I want, being unique, not being the best. And even then, sometimes my crazy idea would turn out to be the BIS all along. I've run Cauterize on magDK way before Dotzz did, and look how things turn out now.

TrinityBreaker · July 2019

nsmurfer wrote: »

Lol, stamDk is second strongest on PvP after magsorc. Get real

I guess you dont know that stamwarden and stamblade is a thing.

Hyzock · July 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

Right, the passives just aren't there for now or DW. For everyone saying "l2p", it's obvious they have never seen DK passives. Block bonuses, weak dot synergies, some extra healing while certain things are active, etc. The class is fundamentally built around attrition, the word the devs use but seem to lack understanding of.

If you build around utilizing the passives to block with a bow/DW/2H, your are "doing it wrong". That's why 1h/s made the "most" sense. Not saying the rest didn't work at all, they just didn't work as well as other options.

As far as wings goes, they only ones I notice saying it was a "buff" are the clench spammers, bit that's getting changed too hopefully so we'll see.

I almost only do pvp and i've mained stam dk since 2015, wings got buffed in outnumbered situations because current wings gives you a lot more uptime when you're getting hit with a lot of projectiles from different players.

Sleep724 · July 2019

nsmurfer wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

Lol, stamDk is second strongest on PvP after magsorc. Get real

StamNB and StamWarden. Get real yourself

lol, Ok, that showed that you never do real PvP and are probably a zergling

Says the nerfling who attacks a stamDK while Corrosive is up.

Shanehere wrote: »

Sleep724 wrote: »

nsmurfer wrote: »

Lol, stamDk is second strongest on PvP after magsorc. Get real

StamNB and StamWarden. Get real yourself

All you need against StamNB is a detect pot and the ability to strafe against a Stam Warden.

So slot a potion, don’t use it until a NB attacks you. Got it. And strafing works of course. Until the lag hits you.

OwnerOfSuccuby · July 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

Alright, so I have tried to keep up with the patch notes each cycle, and at this point, I am completely lost.

I play a stamDK. To me, I had to gravitate towards 1H/S setups with "defensive" setups like 7th. If I didn't, I would get blown up in under 3 seconds (I spend 90% of my time in BGs). I just never could figure out the toolkit well enough to see how I could make something that was "general purpose" with the need for such a setup.

In time, I saw I was not alone. Most other stamDKs I found did a similar setup to me. So I would ask around, why they picked that style. The usual answer was: this is the only way DK is viable without going into an extreme niche build. Ok, so I was doing something alright.

Then Wings got basically deleted. Well, there goes my main defense. But adapt and survive right? So I slot Defensive Posture and am back to being able to go toe to toe with most players 1v1. Getting outnumbered guarantees I'm dead now, where as before I had a chance to escape. Is what it is.

Now defensive heavy sets get turned out completely.

Sword and shield? Can't possibly allow that to remain competitive.

Next, the Corrosive nerf.

Now Noxious, which almost became cool, is getting dooped %30.

Seriously, what am I supposed to do? I have been doing this class for years, but I just don't see what it has left.

Sorcs of course, get everything they ever want. Threaten a nerf? Better buff their shields instead.

Can anyone actually explain to me the point of sDK any more?

Just do NB or Sorc - i can one shot any single target with 30+ k hp with them.

Was mana dk - but already tired - exping new character now. Good luck in NB or Sorc pvp play.