Hammer Timer?

LegacyDM · July 2019

@ZOS_GinaBruno

Is there a timer on hammer? Thought it went to oblivion after a set time. Pretty dumb if not. One EP team had it for 2+ hours tonight and wrecked the map on PC CP NA server. They only gave up the hammer after getting EMP, scrolls, and 98% of the AD keeps. Is this intended? Or is this an exploitable bug?

Thrasher91604 · July 2019

How did they finally lose it? Was the wielder killed? I have my suspicions.

dtsharples · July 2019

The hammer has a specific timer, after which if you hover over it it will say something like;
"Volundrung will return to oblivion when the wielder is killed"

So, after the initial time, lets say 40mins, there is essentially a huge target over the wielders head screaming KILL ME.

Volundrung also needs 'feeding' AP to keep it active, otherwise it kills the wielder.
So whoever carries the hammer needs to keep gaining AP from killing enemies.

So, in your scenario above, the player is not cheating or exploiting, your faction just didn't kill the wielder for however long the hammer remained after that initial 40mins.

*I don't think it is 40mins, if anyone can clarify for sure

biminirwb17_ESO · July 2019

The hammer was white with the holder in his own keep for 3-4 minutes killing nobody. It was held for 4 hrs+ Something was bugged.

LegacyDM · July 2019

biminirwb17_ESO wrote: »

The hammer was white with the holder in his own keep for 3-4 minutes killing nobody. It was held for 4 hrs+ Something was bugged.

If the hammer is bugged and player x knows it’s bugged but continues destroying everything, is that an exploitable offense warranting punishment? Player x knowingly ruined the campaign because of said bug. @ZOS_GinaBruno

frozywozy · July 2019

The truth is, he was able to kill an entire faction with a group of 5 people and only one healer repeatedly. lol

And in case you don't believe me, the full 8 hours session is right here.

[Edit to remove bait]

Kadoin · July 2019

frozywozy wrote: »

The truth is, he was able to kill an entire faction with a group of 5 people and only one healer repeatedly. lol

And in case you don't believe me, the full 8 hours session is right here.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/456228462

I didn't see the video, but if what you are saying is true, then

Only needs a guy to say "exposed" at the end.

edges_endgame · July 2019

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

EP will cheat and exploit their way to win, since they can't win fairly. There is no way he should have been able to hold the weapon that long unless he was cheating or exploiting.

@ZOS_GinaBruno The cheater and his enablers should be perma-banned from the game and you should subtract EP points gained during the period and afterwards with the cheated scrolls and keeps.

Ah... I never ever saw an AD or DC that exploited or showed poor moral values. Maaaan, you really opened my eyes. All EP. And only EP. Right.

Prince_of_all_Pugs · July 2019

i watched all the footage, and the ad and dc faction farming by the small man grp is genuine with no evidence of cheat engine. However whats more interesting is that you can get EMP and VOLENDRUNG at the same time lol.

Ahtu · July 2019

Long live Emperor Jarl!

KingExecration · July 2019

I saw that stream, he held it for hours and didn’t die but he also was raking in ap. Not an exploit when 5 guys control the hammer slapping groups of 20+ At that point it is just coordinating to get rid of the guy. When he did get emp holding the hammer he jumped off a cliff to get his emp build on and got rid of the hammer.

LegacyDM · July 2019

KingExecration wrote: »

I saw that stream, he held it for hours and didn’t die but he also was raking in ap. Not an exploit when 5 guys control the hammer slapping groups of 20+ At that point it is just coordinating to get rid of the guy. When he did get emp holding the hammer he jumped off a cliff to get his emp build on and got rid of the hammer.

All the more reason hammer should have a self destruct after 30 min. Reminds me of launch when DK vamps were gods in cyrodil. They could tank endless amounts of people it was stupid.

[Edit to remove bashing]

Thrasher91604 · July 2019

He should have died while he was in keeps not killing people. That’s the part that’s suspect.

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Katastrophia · October 2019

I’m kind of wondering the same thing about how long the hammer stays out. I was in cyrodiil with another player and the same person that picked up the hammer had it over 5 hours. The players health bar never moved and they also were using transit shrines and recall stones. I thought that wasn’t supposed to work like that

idk · October 2019

iirc, to keep the hammer you have to keep killing (and maybe destroying stuff). If they were able to remain active that might explain how they were able to hold onto the weapon that long. Just guessing as to how but it is the only reasoning that would make sense.

Edit: I do see it is suggested the person hid with the hammer and still held onto it. Best to report odd behavior and let Zos sort it out.

Katastrophia · October 2019

He was taking resources and keeps eventually. When he first obtained it he wasn’t. I thought it had a timer on it and also didn’t think you could use recall stones or transit shrines to go from keep to keep. The player probably still has it. I just logged out and it was still going. But there’s times it sat idle for a minute or so. It was the same faction I’m on but it still is unbalanced for other alliances to be wielding it over 5 hours. I’ve never seen anyone hold onto it that long before. He did more travel back and forth than actual damage.

nryerson1025 · October 2019

I was under the impression when the hammer turns white on the map yet it is still being held, it is bugged and will never vanish unless the wielder dies

Qbiken · October 2019

Remove the hammer, it's a PvDoor weapon that should've never been added to the game.

BaiterOfZergs · October 2019

The hammer has a bug.

Katastrophia · October 2019

BaiterOfZergs wrote: »

The hammer has a bug.

I agree. I talked to someone that was in cyrodiil after I logged out and they said the same person had the hammer for over 7 hours. He was able to get it again today after it went thru 3-4 other players, he wasn’t the first one to have it, so it went back to oblivion after about an hour. And his health bar never moves at all while he wields it either. There’s times when he uses transit shrines, he will wait inside a keep for several players to catch up and it doesn’t do anything to him. I’ve never seen it stay this long before since it started. I’m not being salty about it. It was in our alliance. But the way I see it is, it’s seriously needs to be balanced so it’s fair to all 3 alliances. The same person in our alliance has been empower several days in a row over it.

Dreyloch · October 2019

There are plans to make more of these super weapons. I would like to see them spawn somewhat close together time wise. So it's possible (but not likely) there could be 2 on the field at once. It has to have coding so the same faction doesn't get a weapon 2 times in a row, yet be random enough to give equal opportunity to all 3 factions.

Yes, the lag is something to deal with. But we're really already used to that aren't we? We still play and deal with it on a daily basis. The server isn't insta-crashing while the hammer is out (although some players might, which is bad), but overall? I still like the concept, and have never wielded it. Usually I'm solo on a toon that wouldn't survive having it without a decent group anyway.

The timers need to be adjusted. So I agree with posts about that, or have a stronger degen buff like the one from chaos ball in BG's.

As a side note, I really wish ZoS would make a message like a scroll carrier as to who picks it up for each wielder.

Dreyloch · October 2019

Katastrophia wrote: »

I’m kind of wondering the same thing about how long the hammer stays out. I was in cyrodiil with another player and the same person that picked up the hammer had it over 5 hours. The players health bar never moved and they also were using transit shrines and recall stones. I thought that wasn’t supposed to work like that

You can use teleporters and recall stones with it, and even ride a mount. But remember, it usually spawns well behind a factions' gate. So they need that travel ability to get where the action is. The wielder can NOT be emperor and pick it up. That is the only caveat I know of. I am curious if the hammer person can pick up a scroll? Don't think they can....but have never seen it attempted?

Katastrophia · October 2019

I knew you could mount. The spawn locations are in several places. I’ve seen a few of them but never when the hammer is there. I thought they had talked about the wielded wasn’t supposed to be able to use transit shrines and was supposed to be fixed. But I might be wrong. Here’s a link to the spawn locations. https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Online:Artifact_Spawns
I do think it needs to have a timer on it so it’s more balanced. Just think if the person holding it doesn’t ever lose it and decides to play for 24 hours, that kind of throws the respawn timer off if it’s supposed to drop 4-5 times a day.

Mr_Walker · October 2019

Over 9 hours the other day AD had it for on XNA server. It needs a hard timer.

Loralai_907 · October 2019

It for sure needs a hard timer. It also needs some tweaking on its rules for where it spawns. If a faction has almost every single keep and outpost, every scroll, and has EMP there should be a zero percent chance the hammer spawns behind that factions gates. I can settle for them still being able to pick it up if another faction drops it but they should never ever start with the hammer spawning anywhere in their territory let alone behind their gates. I bring it up because it happened the other day and that should never be what happens.

deviousthevile · October 2019

You can use teleporters and recall stones with it, and even ride a mount. But remember, it usually spawns well behind a factions' gate. So they need that travel ability to get where the action is. The wielder can NOT be emperor and pick it up. That is the only caveat I know of. I am curious if the hammer person can pick up a scroll? Don't think they can....but have never seen it attempted?[/quote]
No they cannot, I tried just he other day and if you have the hammer it tells you on the top right of the screen that you are already holding an artifact