Critical when sneak.
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Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
No.
Just because it's a class ability, doesn't mean it's a spell.
Actually it does mean it's a spell, when it's a class skill.
Nope.
I would say it functions as a melee skill, but then we'd get to the point of 'what about bows?'.
What if I call it a strike, instead of a fireball? Would that clarify?
Fireballs can't crit from stealth. Strikes can.
You actually can't argue on this point. A class skill IS a spell.
All we can conclude from this point is that some spells can crit, while others can't crit, and we need clarification on which skills are crittable from stealth.
No, that really doesn't mean it's a spell.
I guess my Death Stroke is also a spell too by your logic, despite its animation using two daggers... right? /sarcasm
Open your mind a bit.
It's not about "opening your mind" - it's a fact, plain and simple, about how damage is calculated. A class skill is a spell.
Drop the argument and deal with the fact that some spells crit from sneak and others don't crit, and start asking why (and which ones, and also - is this is a bug).
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Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
No.
Just because it's a class ability, doesn't mean it's a spell.
Actually it does mean it's a spell, when it's a class skill.
Nope.
I would say it functions as a melee skill, but then we'd get to the point of 'what about bows?'.
What if I call it a strike, instead of a fireball? Would that clarify?
Fireballs can't crit from stealth. Strikes can.
You actually can't argue on this point. A class skill IS a spell.
All we can conclude from this point is that some spells can crit, while others can't crit, and we need clarification on which skills are crittable from stealth.
No, that really doesn't mean it's a spell.
I guess my Death Stroke is also a spell too by your logic, despite its animation using two daggers... right? /sarcasm
Open your mind a bit.
It's not about "opening your mind" - it's a fact, plain and simple, about how damage is calculated. A class skill is a spell.
Drop the argument and deal with the fact that some spells crit from sneak and others don't crit, and start asking why (and which ones, and also - is this is a bug).
Okay, I tried explaining this, but it's time to be blunt.
Whenever I stab somebody with my class skill, I am definitely not casting a spell. I'm sorry you can't comprehend the combat system and are thus confused by it, but that's as plain as it gets.
Nor was anybody arguing, I tried explaining it several times. Again, I'm sorry you can't wrap your head around it. Whenever I go around stabbing people, I'm not casting spells.0 -
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They have a word in their title that doesn't necessarily mean that they are of a physical nature.
Let's just use logic, shall we?
Say that you're in a swordfight, you don't physically conjure up a flame that coats your blade, do you? (Searing Strike)
Or if you need to get to your target quickly, from range but you can't physically teleport to them, what would you do? (Teleport Strike)
But wait, you need to hit your enemy four times quickly, let's physically conjure a pillar of light from whatever weapon you have at hand and strike your enemy with that, isn't that right? (Puncturing Strikes)
You are certainly mistaken by a simple word, things aren't always what they seem to be, just accept it.0 -
Harkrider✭✭✭Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »They have a word in their title that doesn't necessarily mean that they are of a physical nature.
Let's just use logic, shall we?
Say that you're in a swordfight, you don't physically conjure up a flame that coats your blade, do you? (Searing Strike)
Or if you need to get to your target quickly, from range but you can't physically teleport to them, what would you do? (Teleport Strike)
But wait, you need to hit your enemy four times quickly, let's physically conjure a pillar of light from whatever weapon you have at hand and strike your enemy with that, isn't that right? (Puncturing Strikes)
You are certainly mistaken by a simple word, things aren't always what they seem to be, just accept it.
The examples were a result of people not comprehending what a 'spell' is (they began classifying all magicka consuming abilities as spells) therefore I provided a list of abilities that can all crit from stealth and are involved in physically striking the target (not throwing a lightning bolt or whatever).
As I said earlier, it doesn't matter what I label them, 'weapon' (meaning it appears to use a weapon, not comes from a weapon tree) abilities, 'strikes', etc... People won't understand. I was not aware that it was such a difficult concept for some people (not referring to you), but apparently I was wrong.
I am done in this thread, I will leave everyone to their misinformation. In the meantime, I urge some of you to use your heads a bit more and determine for yourselves if, for example, whenever you stab somebody, is that considered a spell? "But oh geez it uses magicka". Yeah, that's a big hurdle for some folks to get beyond in their attempt to understand mechanics.
To the OP's very first post, which I am once again answering... Strife is a spell, Teleport Strike is not.
Are you physically striking an opponent with Strife? No. With Teleport Strike? Yes.
I hope that clears it up. Once again, this is my last post in this thread. If you need more clarification regarding mechanics, please feel free to send me a PM.0 -
Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »They have a word in their title that doesn't necessarily mean that they are of a physical nature.
Let's just use logic, shall we?
Say that you're in a swordfight, you don't physically conjure up a flame that coats your blade, do you? (Searing Strike)
Or if you need to get to your target quickly, from range but you can't physically teleport to them, what would you do? (Teleport Strike)
But wait, you need to hit your enemy four times quickly, let's physically conjure a pillar of light from whatever weapon you have at hand and strike your enemy with that, isn't that right? (Puncturing Strikes)
You are certainly mistaken by a simple word, things aren't always what they seem to be, just accept it.
The examples were a result of people not comprehending what a 'spell' is (they began classifying all magicka consuming abilities as spells) therefore I provided a list of abilities that can all crit from stealth and are involved in physically striking the target (not throwing a lightning bolt or whatever).
As I said earlier, it doesn't matter what I label them, 'weapon' (meaning it appears to use a weapon, not comes from a weapon tree) abilities, 'strikes', etc... People won't understand. I was not aware that it was such a difficult concept for some people (not referring to you), but apparently I was wrong.
I am done in this thread, I will leave everyone to their misinformation. In the meantime, I urge some of you to use your heads a bit more and determine for yourselves if, for example, whenever you stab somebody, is that considered a spell? "But oh geez it uses magicka". Yeah, that's a big hurdle for some folks to get beyond in their attempt to understand mechanics.
To the OP's very first post, which I am once again answering... Strife is a spell, Teleport Strike is not.
Are you physically striking an opponent with Strife? No. With Teleport Strike? Yes.
I hope that clears it up. Once again, this is my last post in this thread. If you need more clarification regarding mechanics, please feel free to send me a PM.
It seems your comprehension of a physical ability is quite, how should I put it, out of this world. Sure enough, striking someone with a dagger is a physical action, teleporting to said someone before striking them however, is a completely different thing. You should read up on what physical really means and compare that to what it means from your perspective.
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"They"?!? Guess you haven't been reading very closely - all class skills are spells, yet staff skills are not spells, they are weapon skills. Magic eh ^^;they began classifying all magicka consuming abilities as spells
Guess there's more for you to learn grasshopper
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SPerson✭
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
Then..if it true why we dont have tip about that? where is spell, where is weapon skill, how can i ckeck it without any tip about it. he give us only information about magic damage.
For all who say "TELEPORT STRIKE IS NOT A SPELL COZ WE SEE WEAPON WHEN WE CAST IT" what you say about "Assassin’s Blade" we see weapon here, but after we transfer that skill in "Impale" we gain RANGE attack skill (magic damage, and we see weapon).
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Nazaan✭This was a design choice made so that melee assassin nightblades could itemise in the traditional rogue way and still get useful stats. EG: Full leather gear (giving critical etc) but using magica the same way all the other class abilities do. Assassination abilities get the same crits effects as physical weapon abilities, the spells from the other tree don't as they are exactly that: spells. It's tricky but works in the nightblades favour in my opinion.
In the end though, stop raging. It's working as intended. If you want a sneaky ranged crit just take bow.0 -
Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
No.
Just because it's a class ability, doesn't mean it's a spell.
Actually it does mean it's a spell, when it's a class skill.
Nope.
I would say it functions as a melee skill, but then we'd get to the point of 'what about bows?'.
What if I call it a strike, instead of a fireball? Would that clarify?
Fireballs can't crit from stealth. Strikes can.
You actually can't argue on this point. A class skill IS a spell.
All we can conclude from this point is that some spells can crit, while others can't crit, and we need clarification on which skills are crittable from stealth.
No, that really doesn't mean it's a spell.
I guess my Death Stroke is also a spell too by your logic, despite its animation using two daggers... right? /sarcasm
Open your mind a bit.
/facepalm
Now you deciding the type of ability based on its animation...awesome logic.
Try this:
1. check the damage ability does, then remove your weapon and check again. 2. On level up (or shrine reroll) put an attribute point into Magika and check how damage of ability changes. Put a point into Stamina and check again.
3. Go to character screen and point cursor over Magicka attribute until you see a pop-up. (Here's the quote from characterr screen: "Magicka. Detemines how many spells you can cast and how effective those spells are...".)
4. Return here on forums and cry in shame. (might also want to apologize to some people)
Conclusion: By all signs class abilities ARE considered spells. Problem is - it doesnt help much with OP issue. We dont know the exact formula how the crit damage calculated. Probably it is programmed separately in each ability wether it benefits from sneak or dont. Atm i'm more concerned about crit chance for abilities wether it is calculated by spell crit chance or weapon crit chance. Quick testing shows that 1-handed, dual-wield or even empty handed has no effect on how much damage Killer's Blade ability does.
I would advise to OP to install and use Foundry Tactical Combat add-on which shows the exact damage numbers. Hopefully with more testing it will be more clear.
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AlliN✭✭✭No, that really doesn't mean it's a spell.
Ok, If you are so sure of your possition - what statistic relates to class abilities:
- Spell Crit chance
- Weapon Crit chance
and later on, please do enlighten us how you found the difference, and how you can tell what relates to what. Tell me also, why do class skills scale with magicka. Why Deadth Stroke, a weapon ability scales with magicka when description of stamina says it scales with weapon abilities.
Next step, install and addon called FOUNDRY TACTICAL COMBAT that shows what type of damage you've dealt. That shows WEAPON SKILLS deal different type of damage than CLASS SKILL
You are impervious to any form of evidence, either you are trolling or you are so full of yourself you could be Cartman's twin.
Oh and by the way, can you supply source supporting your statement? For example game tooltips as WE ARE GIVING?
I'm starting to think he's a flamer troll. Best part - you said I eddited my post to make you look stupid - no, pooch, I corrected a typo. You looked stupid way before that.Edited by AlliN on April 14, 2014 12:29PM0 -
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Yeah that's what I was thinking, nobody could possibly be that arrogant and oblivious at the same time...right?No, that really doesn't mean it's a spell.
Ok, If you are so sure of your possition - what statistic relates to class abilities:
- Spell Crit chance
- Weapon Crit chance
and later on, please do enlighten us how you found the difference, and how you can tell what relates to what. Tell me also, why do class skills scale with magicka. Why Deadth Stroke, a weapon ability scales with magicka when description of stamina says it scales with weapon abilities.
Next step, install and addon called FOUNDRY TACTICAL COMBAT that shows what type of damage you've dealt. That shows WEAPON SKILLS deal different type of damage than CLASS SKILL
You are impervious to any form of evidence, either you are trolling or you are so full of yourself you could be Cartman's twin.
Oh and by the way, can you supply source supporting your statement? For example game tooltips as WE ARE GIVING?
I'm starting to think he's a flamer troll. Best part - you said I eddited my post to make you look stupid - no, pooch, I corrected a typo. You looked stupid way before that.
Edited by babylon on April 15, 2014 5:27AM0 -
Anoteros✭✭✭✭When I use Lotus Fan it hardly ever stuns mobs so dunno why you're complaining about crits :P0
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SPerson✭Some guys say what only assasination skill line can do crit when sneak but... what about skill assasin blade? he dont crit from sneak, but looks like weapon skill when we cast it. By your logic guys that skill must to do crit.Edited by SPerson on April 16, 2014 10:33AM0