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Critical when sneak.
SPerson
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I dont understand why if we can do always critical strike when sneak with Teleport Strike (nighblade) (MAGIC damage skill, melee) and any one can do critical from sneak with bow attack "snipe" (RANGE attack, physical damage), soo why i cannot do critical strike from sneak with "Strife" (magic damage, range attack)?? Game show us we can do critical strike with magic damage skills when sneak, and we can do critical strike with range if it not do magic damage. I am mage, i am ask you why i cannot do critical strike when sneak? WHERE IS BALANCE?
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READ SKILL TIP "Teleport Strike" (nightblade)
Player moves through the shadows appearing next to the target. Deals X MAGIC Damage to enemies and stuns monsters for 1.5 seconds.
For those who say that this weapon skill, remove your weapons and use skill with your fists, still weapon skill?
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For all who say "TELEPORT STRIKE IS NOT A SPELL COZ WE SEE WEAPON WHEN WE CAST IT" what you say about "Assassin’s Blade" we see weapon here, but after we transfer that skill in "Impale" we gain RANGE attack skill (magic damage, and we see weapon).
Edited by SPerson on April 14, 2014 11:17AM added later:
READ SKILL TIP "Teleport Strike" (nightblade)
Player moves through the shadows appearing next to the target. Deals X MAGIC Damage to enemies and stuns monsters for 1.5 seconds.
For those who say that this weapon skill, remove your weapons and use skill with your fists, still weapon skill?
and
For all who say "TELEPORT STRIKE IS NOT A SPELL COZ WE SEE WEAPON WHEN WE CAST IT" what you say about "Assassin’s Blade" we see weapon here, but after we transfer that skill in "Impale" we gain RANGE attack skill (magic damage, and we see weapon).
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AlliN✭✭✭That's the same thing I was wondering about. Some skills crit from sneak, some does not at all, both magicka and stamina based mixed.
It's really not clear, as armor reduction and spell reduction ratings etc. This should be carified, I agree.1 -
gerwin.kamstrab16_ESOSoul ShrivenI assume strife is a spell. Those never have critical values from sneak (in any of the TES games). Magic damage is a damage type while a spell is an attack type. That is why the nightblade skill can actually crit because it is a physical hit that does magical damage. Sneak crits only work with physical hits.0
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As every class skill, and those crit no problems. And even if not, how would you tell a spell from a strike, if there are no categories.I assume strife is a spell.Edited by AlliN on April 13, 2014 9:38PM0 -
AlliN✭✭✭dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »You only crit with bow if you hit from behind or side while sneaking.
Ok, you are 100% wrong. Every light and heavy attack can crit from sneaking, as some class skills/weapon skills.
Edited by AlliN on April 13, 2014 9:40PM0 -
dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »You only crit with bow if you hit from behind or side while sneaking.
Ok, you are 100% wrong. Every light and heavy attack can crit from sneaking, as some class skills/weapon skills.
Get 0% crit and try it. You only crit from behind or the flank when using a bow. Dunno if thats how it's supposed to be, but thats how it is. Used bow almost exclusively on lvl 36 sorc.
If you successfully sneak attack, it will always be a crit.
Edited by dbennett707cub18_ESO on April 13, 2014 10:12PM0 -
SPerson✭
READ SKILL TIP "Teleport Strike" (nightblade)gerwin.kamstrab16_ESO wrote: »I assume strife is a spell. Those never have critical values from sneak (in any of the TES games). Magic damage is a damage type while a spell is an attack type. That is why the nightblade skill can actually crit because it is a physical hit that does magical damage. Sneak crits only work with physical hits.
Player moves through the shadows appearing next to the target. Deals X MAGIC Damage to enemies and stuns monsters for 1.5 seconds.
Thah MAGIC damage skill (melee) do critical strike from sneak.
CHECK IT! IT CLASS SPELL! DO AROUND 900 DMG FROM SNEAK (use it begind target IN RANGE 22m) (40 lvl)Edited by SPerson on April 14, 2014 1:18AM0 -
AlliN✭✭✭dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »You only crit with bow if you hit from behind or side while sneaking.
Ok, you are 100% wrong. Every light and heavy attack can crit from sneaking, as some class skills/weapon skills.
Get 0% crit and try it. You only crit from behind or the flank when using a bow. Dunno if thats how it's supposed to be, but thats how it is. Used bow almost exclusively on lvl 36 sorc.
If you successfully sneak attack, it will always be a crit.
My 2H weapon crits every time on sneak strike. You said only bow crits on it. I don't have 100% crit chance. I'm starting to think you don't know what we are talking about here. We are talking about weapon skills and class skills having inconsistent sneak crit chance pattern. Some has 100%, some has 0% and some have "stats related" crit chance ,without any consistency in them, meaning mix of both ranged, melee, magica, and physical damage, all acting differently even if that's the same skill type and damage type.
Any more insights?
Edited by AlliN on April 14, 2014 1:21AM0 -
Harkrider✭✭✭dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »dbennett707cub18_ESO wrote: »You only crit with bow if you hit from behind or side while sneaking.
Ok, you are 100% wrong. Every light and heavy attack can crit from sneaking, as some class skills/weapon skills.
Get 0% crit and try it. You only crit from behind or the flank when using a bow. Dunno if thats how it's supposed to be, but thats how it is. Used bow almost exclusively on lvl 36 sorc.
If you successfully sneak attack, it will always be a crit.
My 2H weapon crits every time on sneak strike. You said only bow crits on it. I don't have 100% crit chance.
Any more insights?
He's referring to bows. Learn to read.
1. when using a bow
2. You only crit from behind or the flank0 -
I dont understand why if we can do always critical strike when sneak with Teleport Strike (nighblade ) (MAGIC damage skill, melee) and any one can do critical from sneak with bow attack "snipe" (RANGE attack, physical damage), soo why i cannot do critical strike from sneak with "Strife" (magic damage, range attack)?? Game show us we can do critical strike with magic damage skills when sneak, and we can do critical strike with range if it not do magic damage. I am mage, i am ask you why i cannot do critical strike when sneak? WHERE IS BALANCE?
This is an mmo Crits are not guaranteed. You can crit with magic, and every thing else whiles sneaking.Brave New World.0 -
Harkrider✭✭✭Perhaps this will clarify some things. 'Weapon' abilities can crit from sneak, spells cannot.
Just because something deals magic damage does not make it a spell.
Teleport Strike is not a spell, it's a 'weapon' ability. Therefore, it can crit.0 -
SPerson✭Clotholachesisatropos666b14_ESO wrote: »
This is an mmo Crits are not guaranteed. You can crit with magic, and every thing else whiles sneaking.Perhaps this will clarify some things. 'Weapon' abilities can crit from sneak, spells cannot.
Just because something deals magic damage does not make it a spell.
Teleport Strike is not a spell, it's a 'weapon' ability. Therefore, it can crit.
read 1 post. i change it.
Edited by SPerson on April 14, 2014 11:06AM0 -
AlliN✭✭✭He's referring to bows. Learn to read.
1. when using a bow
2. You only crit from behind or the flank
Before telling anyone to learn to read, please take a moment and read OP. He is using a bow as an example, and this next guy uses a bow as a proof that only bow crits from sneak, becasue he missed the point.
Read the whole thread, then insult people.
Good thing class skills can't be used without a weapon then, otherwise this argument would be a total nonsense (sarcasm). As the OP said, unequip weapon, test it. Feel stupid.Teleport Strike is not a spell, it's a 'weapon' ability. Therefore, it can crit.
Also, there is no way to tell if magicka spender is a "weapon" or "spell" type. They are not separated by any subgroup or tooltip. And even then, some crit, some don't - even if they both fall into your "logic" of spell types.
They are insonsistent, they behave in a random pattern, there is no way of telling how will they work, becasue there are no ability types.This is an mmo Crits are not guaranteed. You can crit with magic, and every thing else whiles sneaking.
1. No, bow crit is near 100% from stealth on heavy strike.
2. Spells (magicka using skills) that have on "over time" effect, even if that's healing not damage, and relating to your heal, while enemy gets flat damage CAN'T crit from sneak.
3. Spells (magicka using skills) behave differently with no apparent indicator.
You people have not tested it, you are making things up.Edited by ZOS_SandraF on April 14, 2014 2:02AM0 -
Harkrider✭✭✭He's referring to bows. Learn to read.
1. when using a bow
2. You only crit from behind or the flank
Before telling anyone to learn to read, please take a moment and read OP. He is using a bow as an example, and this next guy uses a bow as a proof that only bow crits from sneak, becasue he missed the point.
Read the whole thread, then insult people, you freaking self-righteous forum ***.
You know we can all see that you edited your post, right? Lmao.
He was referring to sneak crits while using a bow, and you respond with drivel about your 2-hander and then make the snide comment 'got any more insight?'.
Btw, insults are not allowed on the forums and your post has thus been reported.0 -
SPerson✭teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists0
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Harkrider✭✭✭teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.0 -
limeli8✭✭✭staffs dont crit from stealth, none of ranged magic skills of non NB classes crit from stealth etherI have to give a credit to AD pack of Vampires with VR10 Night Mistress leading them (seriously VR10 10 days after the official release?).
Night Mistress - v12 Former Empress Sorcerer AD
Night Mistress II - v12 Night Blade AD0 -
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Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
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Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
No.
Just because it's a class ability, doesn't mean it's a spell.0 -
babylon✭✭✭✭✭
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Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
No.
Just because it's a class ability, doesn't mean it's a spell.
Actually it does mean it's a spell, when it's a class skill.0 -
Dannyboy✭✭✭LOL to OP,
Are you serious, think remotely about the lore, why would stealthing help a mage in any way shape or for ( in regards to CRIT dmg ) A rogue / Nightblade on the other hand is BUILT around openers. They do not have close to the sustainable dmg that a mage / sorc has. Now you want the one thing that a NB is built around for your sorc as well.
LOL just laughable.
D,
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Harkrider✭✭✭
Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
No.
Just because it's a class ability, doesn't mean it's a spell.
Actually it does mean it's a spell, when it's a class skill.
Nope.
I would say it functions as a melee skill, but then we'd get to the point of 'what about bows?'.
What if I call it a strike, instead of a fireball? Would that clarify?
Fireballs can't crit from stealth. Strikes can.0 -
The easiest way to determine if it's a physical ability or a spell ability is to check if the skill itself uses stamina or magicka, spells use magicka and physical abilities use stamina. In other words, yes, it's a spell....0
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Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
No.
Just because it's a class ability, doesn't mean it's a spell.
Actually it does mean it's a spell, when it's a class skill.
Nope.
I would say it functions as a melee skill, but then we'd get to the point of 'what about bows?'.
What if I call it a strike, instead of a fireball? Would that clarify?
Fireballs can't crit from stealth. Strikes can.
You actually can't argue on this point. A class skill IS a spell.
All we can conclude from this point is that some spells can crit, while others can't crit, and we need clarification on which skills are crittable from stealth.0 -
Harkrider✭✭✭
Just passing through here, but shouldn't Teleport Strike be a spell? It isn't a weapon skill, it's a class spell.teleport strike its not a weapon skill coz he does magic damage and we can cast that skill without any weapon from fists
I tried explaining that just because something does magic damage, that doesn't mean it's a spell. Perhaps I shouldn't have said 'weapon' ability, because you're right, you don't need a weapon equipped. But it's not a spell. It functions the same as a weapon ability.
No.
Just because it's a class ability, doesn't mean it's a spell.
Actually it does mean it's a spell, when it's a class skill.
Nope.
I would say it functions as a melee skill, but then we'd get to the point of 'what about bows?'.
What if I call it a strike, instead of a fireball? Would that clarify?
Fireballs can't crit from stealth. Strikes can.
You actually can't argue on this point. A class skill IS a spell.
All we can conclude from this point is that some spells can crit, while others can't crit, and we need clarification on which skills are crittable from stealth.
No, that really doesn't mean it's a spell.
I guess my Death Stroke is also a spell too by your logic, despite its animation using two daggers... right? /sarcasm
Open your mind a bit.
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Harkrider✭✭✭Lonn87b16_ESO wrote: »The easiest way to determine if it's a physical ability or a spell ability is to check if the skill itself uses stamina or magicka, spells use magicka and physical abilities use stamina. In other words, yes, it's a spell....
Again, no.
Teleport Strike, Veiled Strike, Death Stroke, Searing Strike, Puncturing Strike, Focused Charge, etc... These are not spells.
I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about this.0
