Priyasekarssk wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

A CC shouldn't be a high damage spammable; that was just bad design. You get a free CC on cooldown without having to think about it or slot a specific skill.

Sorcs have an AOE unblockable stun that does damage again. Use that. Rune Cage is ranged but dodgable. It's not hard to dodge, but not really easy to see open world either what with all the effects going off.

Wardens are in a bad spot here but sorcs have options. I feel like magwardens should get the stun back on Fissure.

Oh yes, wrecking blow can. Incap can. Surprise attack can. Shock clench is just a stun its not a killer dps. What noob streamers plan next ?

That's so you can look into the whites of their eyes. Sorc was doing the same from something silly like 40 meters

Lord-Otto wrote: »

vonknobby wrote: »

You have streak... What will magdens use? Buddy of mine is trying to figure out a reasonable replacement.

Vampiric Drain, block-canceled. And yes, that means becoming a majestic vampire overlord.
(^_-)

The extra damage you take isn't worth... Dawnbreaker nerf helps some, but mag dks still hurt...

I’d guess we’ll have to use something like:
- Streak
- Rune Cage or Defensive Rune
- Crystal Blast
- Meteor
- Volcanic Rune
- Time Stop
- Storm Atronach
- Dawnbreaker of Smiting
- Flame Clench
- Volatile Familiar
- Turn Undead
- Sets like Death’s Wind or Mad Tinkerer
- Crushing Shock interrupt
- Drain Essence

And a few other less likely options like Werewolf or equipping a Bow, Shield, or Greatsword.

wheem_ESO wrote: »

ZarkingFrued wrote: »

I really don't think clench was an issue, and it's still available in flame clench form. They just wanted to kill magden more lol

But compared to live, the Flame Clench damage and range will both be reduced. Exactly how much damage it'll do with a Master's Staff I can't say, but hopefully it'll be noticeably less than other "real" spammables.

I don't think that any instant cast, spammable ability - especially one that's usable at long range (ie, the live version of Destructive Reach) - should have both good damage and a stun/knockback attached. The best solution, IMO, is to keep the changes to Destructive Clench/Reach, and improve some of the other CC options to compensate (though I don't think Rune Prison or Streak need to be on that list...if you think those options are bad, try using the Necromancer Totem).

I just checked. On my NB, with approx 41k magicka Inferno Masters staff, flame reach does approx 17.6k DoT with 7.4k direct damage. This is with 1986 spell damage no nirnhoned on staff. Flame Clench does the same at 7.4k direct damage, removes DoT, but adds the knockback. The cost reduction on a breton without any cost reduction enchants is approx 1361. (All with CP enabled with 40 points into thermaturge) This makes Masters Inferno Staff highly valuable if you are playing a DoT rangeblade or Sorc. In fact, I'm glad they got rid of the knockback in favor of more damage. It ruined my fear rotation and is hard for others in group play to time their hard CCs. To me, it wasn't fluid.