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Make Blessing of Protection (Combat Prayer) a HoT
troomar
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With the current changes to healing I can see that healers will have to perform a kind of rotation to squeeze out some serious healing.
Right now you put some HoTs on players or on the ground, and then you focus on burst heals for squishy or unlucky players. The problem is that Combat Prayer is over-performing in burst heals and other burst heal abilities are shadowed by it.
So I propose to change the mention ability to a heal over time with some upfront burst heal. So for example 20% as a burst and the rest 80% in 8 seconds.
Right now you put some HoTs on players or on the ground, and then you focus on burst heals for squishy or unlucky players. The problem is that Combat Prayer is over-performing in burst heals and other burst heal abilities are shadowed by it.
So I propose to change the mention ability to a heal over time with some upfront burst heal. So for example 20% as a burst and the rest 80% in 8 seconds.
Yes.
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susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Nope. It needs to be a burst based so healers can spam it. I like higher Minor Berserk uptime.1 -
Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭TheNightflame wrote: »can the clap heal be a sticky hot
make hasty prayer be the hot, heal for every second of minor expedition, and ritual of rebirth be the percentage based heal for tanks.0 -
Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Combat Prayer sucks as a heal, what are you talking about, OP?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE6 -
gepe87✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Combat Prayer sucks as a heal, what are you talking about, OP?
It's an awesome skill on 4man content, if healer has good positioning.Gepe, Dunmer MagSorc Pact Grand Overlord | Gaepe, Bosmer MagSorc Dominion General
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Nightingale707✭✭✭@troomar why do you want to take away the only non-class AoE burstheal?Edited by Nightingale707 on July 18, 2019 10:53AM1
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Combat Prayer sucks as a heal, what are you talking about, OP?
It's an awesome skill on 4man content, if healer has good positioning.
In PvP it's like a 3K heal. I use Blessing of Restoration instead.
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ZonasArch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Combat Prayer sucks as a heal, what are you talking about, OP?
It's an awesome skill on 4man content, if healer has good positioning.
In PvP it's like a 3K heal. I use Blessing of Restoration instead.
I find that on PvP that's the most common morph. The extra heal is basically mandatory. For pve, the crit boost seems more important. And my tooltip is about 7k on CP but there's a dude I know that runs almost 14k. That's truly solid. My BoL on that same toon goes for about 11.5k or so. I only use BoR if it's a tight group, normally at doors/gates.1 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think the OP meant that Combat Prayer is too weak. As others have said:
Combat Prayer - better buff
Blessing of Restoration - better healLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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troomar✭✭✭✭This is really funny. On one hand, players are crying because of "unification" and that weapon abilities should be nerfed so class abilities could be used instead. On the other hand, when it comes to a healing ability that is simply stronger than class abilities (for burst heal, not for the buff Combat Prayer has), you're crying too.
Why a DK healer should use his class burst heal when Combat Prayer is here? Why a NB healer should do it? Have you seen stamina DPS setup on the PTS? Every class has the same bars, the same setup, except for maybe 1 utility spell. Healers have had this issue since always, but it's fine, right?Yes.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭This is really funny. On one hand, players are crying because of "unification" and that weapon abilities should be nerfed so class abilities could be used instead. On the other hand, when it comes to a healing ability that is simply stronger than class abilities (for burst heal, not for the buff Combat Prayer has), you're crying too.
Why a DK healer should use his class burst heal when Combat Prayer is here? Why a NB healer should do it? Have you seen stamina DPS setup on the PTS? Every class has the same bars, the same setup, except for maybe 1 utility spell. Healers have had this issue since always, but it's fine, right?
The issue is dps have tons of damaging abilities to choose from, healers only have 1-4 depending on the class.
All healers primarily used the non-class skills, and you could do all content with 0 class skills. This allowed every class to heal.
If class skills become stronger for healing then non-class skills then the gap between classes widens. Without non-class healing skills most classes wouldn’t even be able to heal a vet dungeon.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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troomar✭✭✭✭
Exactly, there is none. But why should I use a single target burst when there is an aoe burst that is simply stronger? And that's why I propose the change - make it a HoT with a small upfront burst heal - so you can choose if you want to use a single, and strong, burst heal that is used for 1 person, or an aoe heal, that is weaker, but it's aoe with a buff and such.
It's the same issue they're addressing now - they are buffing single target DoTs and nerfing aoe DoTs, because right now on Live, why would I use single target DoT when there is an aoe DoT that is simply stronger?Yes.0 -
troomar✭✭✭✭If class skills become stronger for healing then non-class skills then the gap between classes widens. Without non-class healing skills most classes wouldn’t even be able to heal a vet dungeon.
And why wouldn't the devs be able to change class abilities to lower the gap back? They do that all the time for DPS.Yes.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No. It would take away the only universal AoE burst heal.
Pretty much this.. rStaff already had a HoT with HS. Why have another ground placed HoT and a character placed HoT with the same weapon. Seems rather duplicative and a waste of a skill on the weapon.Edited by idk on July 18, 2019 3:15PM0 -
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Healing Springs are ground based HoT, Combat Prayer is a target heal (and it would be a target HoT), so your argument is flawed.Yes.0 -
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✭✭✭If class skills become stronger for healing then non-class skills then the gap between classes widens. Without non-class healing skills most classes wouldn’t even be able to heal a vet dungeon.
And why wouldn't the devs be able to change class abilities to lower the gap back? They do that all the time for DPS.
Some classes don’t get enough class heals. Take for example sorc, I think all they have is the pet heal for class healing abilities. You can’t buff what a class doesn’t have.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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Trinity_Is_My_Name✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nerfers are ruining this game. Enough of the freaking nerfs! Nothing wrong with Combat Prayer. Are you even a Healer? Good gosh!2 -
troomar✭✭✭✭Some classes don’t get enough class heals. Take for example sorc, I think all they have is the pet heal for class healing abilities. You can’t buff what a class doesn’t have.
In the past they changed some DPS abilities to be healing abilities (take the DK aoe ground base HoT). So you're telling me they can't do that anymore?Yes.0 -
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Exactly, there is none. But why should I use a single target burst when there is an aoe burst that is simply stronger?
Can we stop saying that single target heals are a viable replacement for AoE heals? You are sounding like those guys who claim that Regeneration is a good replacement for Springs now. They are not. The content requires AoE heals. Most mechanics don't don't deal damage to one person every second. They deal damage to everyone every second. Without decent AoE heals some fights will just be impossible to heal. The fact that people are unironically considering using 10 DDs and just stacking 10 vigors is a problem already.4 -
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Exactly, there is none. But why should I use a single target burst when there is an aoe burst that is simply stronger? And that's why I propose the change - make it a HoT with a small upfront burst heal - so you can choose if you want to use a single, and strong, burst heal that is used for 1 person, or an aoe heal, that is weaker, but it's aoe with a buff and such.
It's the same issue they're addressing now - they are buffing single target DoTs and nerfing aoe DoTs, because right now on Live, why would I use single target DoT when there is an aoe DoT that is simply stronger?
Outside of small group PvP, and dungeons single target heals have always been, and will always be complete trash. Your *** "solution" to a non-existent problem just creates a different problem. Only the half of the classes with AoE burst heals would then be considered viable healers.0 -
troomar✭✭✭✭Trinity_Is_My_Name wrote: »Are you even a Healer? Good gosh!
I was healing vMoL (and other easier trials) with my sorc in time when sorcerer were being kicked from dungeons because "hurr durr only templars can heal".Yes.0 -
Nightingale707✭✭✭In that case I would politely ask you to stop talking about healing.
There is no way you can outheal the current incoming damage with ST burst heals. A lot of groups will already run into MAJOR issues, if the current healing changes go through (and I am talking about all groups, that do not comfortably clear the hardest content right now)
Making suggestions, to nerf the only remaining, non-class AoE burst heal is the most stupid thing I read since I read the patch notes for the first time.
Combat prayer is not overpowered, and it is not a problem.
Neither were any other healing skills btw.6 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
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Healing Springs are ground based HoT, Combat Prayer is a target heal (and it would be a target HoT), so your argument is flawed.
We also have targeted based heals with regen. Your argument is not only flawed but also ill conceived. The rStaff is full of HoTs and really only has one solid heal that you want to remove. Your idea does not hold up to logic.0 -
troomar✭✭✭✭Outside of small group PvP, and dungeons single target heals have always been, and will always be complete trash. Your *** "solution" to a non-existent problem just creates a different problem. Only the half of the classes with AoE burst heals would then be considered viable healers.
I understand, you just want to spam 1 skill. Instead of Healing Springs it will be Combat Prayer. Easy peasy right?
Why healers can't have a rotation for healing like other classes have? Oh right, you have a rotation to keep buffs 100% uptime, so you don't have time to heal properly, that's why you need 1 button heal, burst aoe heal. Solution to everything.
With current changes you can create a rotation and have enough HoTs for your group. Then you don't need an aoe burst except for 1 unlucky player (or 2).
I don't know if current HoTs are able to keep people alive in environments like HoF HM execute phase or vCR execute phase, but it's devs' problem to balance the skills. I'm not bringing a solution to everything, I'm proposing a change to a skill, so we have a choice. Right now we don't. It's Combat Prayer or bust.Yes.0 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I’m not sure, but I think the new springs will be enough for healing... as long as no one moves.
Combat Prayer isn’t strong enough to replace springs. Not even close.Edited by Iskiab on July 18, 2019 3:43PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
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