The Uninvited wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

There is a difference between voicing concern and being venomous.

There's also a difference between ZOS saying they will improve communication and actually doing it.

If they did so when they said so, the forum would be far less toxic than it is now.

Every game seems to have fans like this who justify their behavior by blaming a developer's "communication." You can't satisfy those people. They are who they are and they will just justify their antisocial behavior. The great thing about pointing to communication is that they can always point to some post or comment or topic where the dev hasn't responded in the past day.

It can be chilling to think of the levels of personal hate some gamers can generate toward a person because they are a public representative of a game that isn't perfect. All that despite it being clear in public appearances that the developer is just some average human trying their best to manage a big project that they are personally quite fond of.

DaveMoeDee wrote: »

The Uninvited wrote: »

Inaya wrote: »

There is a difference between voicing concern and being venomous.

There's also a difference between ZOS saying they will improve communication and actually doing it.

If they did so when they said so, the forum would be far less toxic than it is now.

Every game seems to have fans like this who justify their behavior by blaming a developer's "communication." You can't satisfy those people. They are who they are and they will just justify their antisocial behavior. The great thing about pointing to communication is that they can always point to some post or comment or topic where the dev hasn't responded in the past day.

It can be chilling to think of the levels of personal hate some gamers can generate toward a person because they are a public representative of a game that isn't perfect. All that despite it being clear in public appearances that the developer is just some average human trying their best to manage a big project that they are personally quite fond of.

They made a separate post about improving communication. After that they didn't communicate for months on end...

I'm not the one being toxic here, most of the time I try to communicate in a very civilized way. I'm just saying that if they did what they had promised, there would be a lot less negativity today.

But I guess you will have always people like this who make assumptions about other people, without knowing them or checking facts. Can be rather chilling to think about, really.

There probably is no good other way to do it but I feel like the fact that the majority of the threads are in "General" contribute to this as well. When I actually remember that there are other areas and check out the conversations about Housing, Crafting, or even PTS, I find the discussions to be a little more productive and, at the very least, less repetitive.

But I agree that the lack of communication is part of the issue, and this is combined with the lack of structured way to give feedback about more specific issues. If there were dedicated discussions or polls about known debates that were merged together when new threads were started, some folks would be less able to farm reactions over and over, but new players could get the whole picture in one place and things would be less toxic.

For example, I've seen a concept where people in the community get a limited number of votes to implement changes. If a change is implemented the thread is closed and they get the votes back. This could help illustrate a more direct relationship between actual number of people who want a change and also when things are addressed, since people soon forget and have such a "what have you done for me lately" attitude.

Basically I'm thinking any way to keep the conversation about a single topic in one place would help. Also I think just ACKNOWLEDGEMENT somewhere that ideas were heard would help. Like a "top ten open debates" list. "Yep, we know you guys are divided on faction lock, p2w, guild stores vs. central AH, etc. Vote and discuss here."

We all can't get what we want. But a single running tally on who is for, against, or in between certain ideas plus a section that acknowledges it's been heard as an idea would help make things feel more organized and less whiny, I think.

Nemesis (op) are you here shilling for you sub Reddit? This ESO forum is the OFFICIAL forum for the game by ZOS. Not your sub reddit. I do not see how your original post is even constructive. Does your post discuss the current state of the game in a constructive manner?

It seems to me you came here to bash users. This is not constructive in fact it is against the TOS. Funny with all those forum stars you seem to forget kind person that you must never bash another person on these forums.

I see nothing in your post discussing the upcoming scale-breaker release, or the current kittylandia release nothing about the ferocious dragons who are pickpocketable(new Khajiit Word). Nothing about game performance in general.

I for one like the ability to pickpocket the Dragons. I like the diversity of KittyLandias terrain .If you like Reddit so much then post there and try not to attack forum users here.

And to Grandma

Not all of us on these forums are spring chickens. Some have been retired from LEO/GOV/MIL for many years might i suggest a little more honey in your verbal judo. 89% percent more. Labeling or besmirching in general terms about a general class of people is not the best way to win over a populace.

Perhaps if post history was used on these forums in a manner to the Ability Audit might you ask yourself this ?

If a zero tolerance TOS filter would be applied to the forums would my forum account pass or fail???

Might you all have a great and civil day. I will be in Kittylandia the rest of the day I have plenty of coffee and donuts.

I think forums of most kinds can be seen as being too negative at times. But I have always, always found them helpful from when I initially began the game, to getting advice on builds, to getting tips for Stage 9 VMA, etc. People care about this game. And hold it to high expectations. As they should.

That's not unique to this game, official forums are usually a cesspool of idiots and trolls.

Kagukan wrote: »

So many complainers and yet everyone is still here. Hmmmmm....

exactly.
its because they believe if they make hundreds and hindreds of threads that it will give them power in what they want to be put into the game.
i hope the developers and the Moderators and the community see that, and stop them.
its only a group of about 20 people doing it.
and anytime you disagree with them and what they want they try to make that person look like their dumb.

With how much ZOS is charging for everything and for what they deliver for those absurd prices its borderline scam, were just gatekeeping to keep them safe from making the same mistake we made.
They deserve every single line of criticism found on this forum.
If you arent a hardcore fan of the TES series, dont bother with this game, the devs dont give a damn, and the "company" only cares about is making as much money as possible with monetized QoL features and cosmetics.
Its only going downhill since CWC patch which was almost 2 years ago (fall 2017), last 2 "expansions" (chapters aka paywall DLC) were straight up bad, ZOS is only consistent at putting cosmetics into the real money store and server performance is as bad as ever.

Maxx7410 wrote: »

This forym is full of salty people and is PERFECT for the new salty emote!!!

haha yes salty emote is perfect for people fed up with ZOS' bs only 5k crowns in crown store limited time btw. haha.