5.1.0 Heavy armor set changes

SkysOutThizeOut · July 2019

Seventh will go well on stam sorc too who has to rebuff the hurricane constantly. These armor changes are for the best. People go heavy, put defensive monster set on, 3 protectives and crutch on the high damage proc sets until corrosive or some other ultimate is ready with damage procd. Now to get real damage they’re going to have to sacrifice a wee bit of survivability.... but then again as a solo player see vigor got an 84% buff... tie that into on demand major mending from dk... who needs heavy? But then again heavy heals will buff it farther.

Ragnarock41 · July 2019

Absolutely destroyed veiled heritance. I used that set primarily on my medium builds. Shame.

It looks like seventh legion was remade for stamsorcs/stamblades in mind because I don't think I'll be recasting spiked armor every 10 seconds.(and the heavy armor skill is a no no because If I drop spiked armor no more healing received passive, so double fail at trying to give me meaningful options there, in fact triple fail considering you just made sure I have to use another spammable on top of heroic slash cause %30 damage nerf ensures It will not be a spammable anymore..) It is kinda clear that the intent here is to completely murder the fury-seventh stamDk setup, and yes, these changes will achieve it, so good job there I guess. The only gear setup that made stamDK dangerous, is now non-existant. So what? I guess I'll run clever alchemist or something and be a discount stamsorc with the new onslaught, since you guys completely ignored class passives once again.

The fury changes also completely kill the reason you use this set for, but it will still be used considering the alternatives are just so much worse for stamDk.

As for Ravager once again they changed the set to work on stamblades and caltrops users.(and not even a good job on that) Yes it will proc on noxious breath but realistically I don't see myself spamming noxious breath so many times to stack this, but then again this set was never easy to proc unless you played a stamplar, so who cares, a bad set remained bad.

In the end, IF the goal was to murder heavy armor SnB setups , I think this should do the trick. As far as making medium armor goes you achieved absolutely nothing and completely ignored all the % mitigation sources you freely given to magicka/staff users.

Masel · July 2019

Kolzki wrote: »

It's the proc conditions that get me on these sets. The Veiled Heritance and Ravager proc conditions look so bad that the sets might as well be deleted. And it's not like ravager had a good proc chance before anyway.

Use night mothers gaze with ravager, Grants a stack on every critical hit. You're welcome.

Sarousse · July 2019

Seventh legion still remains totally overpowered.

It'll be to easy to upkeep the insane buff to melee power + hp regen.

Other sets got hit hard.

Nevasca · July 2019

akray21 wrote: »

Seventh is now useless, why would anyone use it over Hunding's?

1. It's 50 more weapon damage.
2. You can backbar the proc.
3. Gives you health recovery on proc(and 1pc), synergizes with tri-pots and troll king.

Honestly yeah it will not be the same power as before, because that's the whole point, they are nerfing it, but it will be a decent set.

Veiled is trash though. lol.

Rehdaun · July 2019

Masel wrote: »

Use night mothers gaze with ravager, Grants a stack on every critical hit. You're welcome.

Will that work even if the tank has already applied major fracture?

akray21 · July 2019

SkysOutThizeOut wrote: »

Seventh will go well on stam sorc too who has to rebuff the hurricane constantly. These armor changes are for the best. People go heavy, put defensive monster set on, 3 protectives and crutch on the high damage proc sets until corrosive or some other ultimate is ready with damage procd. Now to get real damage they’re going to have to sacrifice a wee bit of survivability.... but then again as a solo player see vigor got an 84% buff... tie that into on demand major mending from dk... who needs heavy? But then again heavy heals will buff it farther.

No. Hurricane lasts 15 seconds and the damage is the highest in the last 5 seconds, when the 7th buff runs out. If the buff was 15 seconds it would fit nicely. I'm not considering 7th as an option with the current proposed changes to the set. As always stam sorc was not a thought when this change was considered.

WildRaptorX · July 2019

Asgari wrote: »

Most people who are mad about this change are using YouTube builds and got suckerd into spending tons of gold on these items and golding them.

Heavy armor shouldn’t be bis for damage

Absolutely spot on. I’m excited for this patch

Rehdaun · July 2019

Keylun wrote: »

Asgari wrote: »

Most people who are mad about this change are using YouTube builds and got suckerd into spending tons of gold on these items and golding them.

Heavy armor shouldn’t be bis for damage

Absolutely spot on. I’m excited for this patch

AY got nerfed too? When did that happen?

jaysins · July 2019

I think all the changes are good except veiled which I haven't thought of a reliable way to proc yet but I may be ignorant of an easy way to do so. Seventh will be a great back bar set and the health recovery is great. Fury was super strong and while I did use it, I can definitely understand why it was changed. It's still a good set set though. Ravager actually will be extremely strong on certain classes and builds. Overall, good stuff.

Glory · July 2019

Masel wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

It's the proc conditions that get me on these sets. The Veiled Heritance and Ravager proc conditions look so bad that the sets might as well be deleted. And it's not like ravager had a good proc chance before anyway.

Use night mothers gaze with ravager, Grants a stack on every critical hit. You're welcome.

Stop putting thought into your builds, follow the meta!

Emma_Overload · July 2019

All these sets were gimmicks. No tears from me.

Kolzki · July 2019

Masel wrote: »

Kolzki wrote: »

It's the proc conditions that get me on these sets. The Veiled Heritance and Ravager proc conditions look so bad that the sets might as well be deleted. And it's not like ravager had a good proc chance before anyway.

Use night mothers gaze with ravager, Grants a stack on every critical hit. You're welcome.

I may have neglected to suggest nmg for... reasons...

On the other hand I remember someone recently saying:

“Yo dawg, we heard you didn’t like procs so we made sure your procs can’t proc more procs”

Does it apply here? We will find out.

HackTheMinotaur · July 2019

Seventh could maybe go up a tad to 400 weapon damage. This would make it worth recasting hurricane on stamsorc or even rune on stamplar every 10 seconds. Otherwise it is very close to hunding's rage.

Will this proc on stamblade since their armor is a passive and not an active skill? Curious.

akray21 · July 2019

HackTheMinotaur wrote: »

Seventh could maybe go up a tad to 400 weapon damage. This would make it worth recasting hurricane on stamsorc or even rune on stamplar every 10 seconds. Otherwise it is very close to hunding's rage.

Will this proc on stamblade since their armor is a passive and not an active skill? Curious.

I agree about taking it up to 400... or increasing the duration to 15 seconds. I also want to know about stamblade, I'm leaning towards yes, but you never know.

Minno · July 2019

These are great changes. Let's play a bit after Monday.

Vogtard · July 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Absolutely destroyed veiled heritance. I used that set primarily on my medium builds. Shame.

Same here. Just farmed the weapons and transmuted the jewelry for my medium build because I like it much more than Briarheart (cooldown).
I loved this set, now it's complete trash.

It would be nice if they could make a medium set out of it rather than rendering it useless like this.

The changes to the other heavy sets are quite reasonable tho.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · July 2019

Put wrote: »

Rake wrote: »

Seventh - why use it over hundings that is craftable, has 300 WD all the time and more crit.
Heritance - its trash now.
Ravager - ransack or caltrops or boneyard spam.
Fury - less damage with less uptime.

Did it literally ever occur to you even in the slightest that heavy armour isn't for damage? I thought it was pretty obvious to be honest...

Asgari wrote: »

Most people who are mad about this change are using YouTube builds and got suckerd into spending tons of gold on these items and golding them.

Heavy armor shouldn’t be bis for damage

olsborg wrote: »

Totally fine with those changes, heavy armor shouldnt be bis for dmg, as someone said earlier in the thread.

Advancing Yokeda is a HEAVY SET. According to you that set should be nerfed also to the ground, like VH then.
Let me run a request to ZOS then

juhislihis19 · July 2019

Vogtard wrote: »

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Absolutely destroyed veiled heritance. I used that set primarily on my medium builds. Shame.

Same here. Just farmed the weapons and transmuted the jewelry for my medium build because I like it much more than Briarheart (cooldown).
I loved this set, now it's complete trash.

It would be nice if they could make a medium set out of it rather than rendering it useless like this.

The changes to the other heavy sets are quite reasonable tho.

Same here as well. Other sets might have some use but I can't see any class using Veiled anymore. Shame, as it wasn't as popular as Fury, 7th, Ravager to begin with..

All these sets nerfed, no problem from me. However, I don't like the way ZOS nerfs things right into oblivion. Will someone actually pick Heavy Armor now? Meaning, they've nerfed HA-meta to Medium Armor meta. Soon we will hear whining about the med armor meta.

Masel · July 2019

Just to inform you guys here: seventh reprocs when you have hurricane active and re-procs on every tick of it, not only when you initially cast it. Whether that is intended i cant say but thats the behaviour on PTS.

Doesn't work with other abilities as far as i can say this far.

Abhaya · July 2019

Masel wrote: »

Just to inform you guys here: seventh reprocs when you have hurricane active and re-procs on every tick of it, not only when you initially cast it. Whether that is intended i cant say but thats the behaviour on PTS.

Doesn't work with other abilities as far as i can say this far.

This might be really strong on stam sorc if this is the case.

Tolino · July 2019

Masel wrote: »

Just to inform you guys here: seventh reprocs when you have hurricane active and re-procs on every tick of it, not only when you initially cast it. Whether that is intended i cant say but thats the behaviour on PTS.

Doesn't work with other abilities as far as i can say this far.

Have you testet Ravager with night mothers gaze?

Davadin · July 2019

7th is good for DK who hit volatile armor most of the time anyway, it's like a free 350wd AND u get the health regen.

and i only use it on my jewel/weps too.........

a little context: i used Ravager + 7th build, then Fury + 7th, etc... all heavy build with a shield. i hated the playstyle. then i switch to med armor, and all i got for jewels/weps that are gold are 7th.

so i started with Spriggan + Seventh, Deadly Strike + 7th, the Sword Singer, etc... and loving it.

THAT's why i'll still going to put 7th on my bar, coz im planning to stick to med build and really, i don't engage until i got Vol Armor, so the new changes is absolutely better for me because i dont have to rely on 10% RNG to proc it... it just does.

btw, if Bloodspawn procs, would that proc 7th as well?

kojou · July 2019

I would rather have the sets mentioned like they are in PTS than how they are in live, but Veiled Heritance could use a bit more love. It is basically trash now.

universal_wrath · July 2019

Rake wrote: »

Seventh - why use it over hundings that is craftable, has 300 WD all the time and more crit.
Heritance - its trash now.
Ravager - ransack or caltrops or boneyard spam.
Fury - less damage with less uptime.

I think 7th is still vaible and better than it's old version. For new change, 7th can be back barsed instead of being on all the time, I usally have my buffs in back bar anyhow. Also, 350 weapon dmg is fairly nice, but best part is 350 health regen that can stack with heavy armor passive and troll king. 7th legoin allow you to use MA, AS weapons oe any 2 pue e set on front bar for maximum dmg/effect. Stam sorcs and dks are probably going to benefit most from it since the have 20%hp recovey in their skills/passives.

As for ravager, it might be a good option for pve now with the new changes to caltraps, you could get almost 100% uptime on it. I not tested it myslef so I can say for sure how effect thise 2 sets can be, just talking and thoery crafring by read patch notes.

universal_wrath · July 2019

Ragnarock41 wrote: »

Absolutely destroyed veiled heritance. I used that set primarily on my medium builds. Shame.

It looks like seventh legion was remade for stamsorcs/stamblades in mind because I don't think I'll be recasting spiked armor every 10 seconds.(and the heavy armor skill is a no no because If I drop spiked armor no more healing received passive, so double fail at trying to give me meaningful options there, in fact triple fail considering you just made sure I have to use another spammable on top of heroic slash cause %30 damage nerf ensures It will not be a spammable anymore..) It is kinda clear that the intent here is to completely murder the fury-seventh stamDk setup, and yes, these changes will achieve it, so good job there I guess. The only gear setup that made stamDK dangerous, is now non-existant. So what? I guess I'll run clever alchemist or something and be a discount stamsorc with the new onslaught, since you guys completely ignored class passives once again.

The fury changes also completely kill the reason you use this set for, but it will still be used considering the alternatives are just so much worse for stamDk.

As for Ravager once again they changed the set to work on stamblades and caltrops users.(and not even a good job on that) Yes it will proc on noxious breath but realistically I don't see myself spamming noxious breath so many times to stack this, but then again this set was never easy to proc unless you played a stamplar, so who cares, a bad set remained bad.

In the end, IF the goal was to murder heavy armor SnB setups , I think this should do the trick. As far as making medium armor goes you achieved absolutely nothing and completely ignored all the % mitigation sources you freely given to magicka/staff users.

Heavy armor snb meta should have never came to exastant. People and still too bulky with so much weapon dmg you can even compare the weapon dmg you get from meduim armor to heavy, so much healing and dmg. Heavy set up should not hit harder than medium/light armor set up as when you use medium/light armor you sacrifice defense/resistance for dmg.

Also, if a whole can is so dependant on 1 or 2 sets, might as wwll change them. Learn and adapt. Theory crafring is a thing in this game, craft your own build that instead of following meta, because meta can change at any time like in scalebreaker patch.

Cortimi · July 2019

VagabondAngel wrote: »

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

That is how broken things will be....

Because things aren't broken now? It will only be broken if you heavy armour tank/dps/self heal crutch.

You act like there are no such thing as mag classes doing the EXACT same thing.

Lyar09 · July 2019

Tolino wrote: »

Masel wrote: »

Just to inform you guys here: seventh reprocs when you have hurricane active and re-procs on every tick of it, not only when you initially cast it. Whether that is intended i cant say but thats the behaviour on PTS.

Doesn't work with other abilities as far as i can say this far.

Have you testet Ravager with night mothers gaze?

Nmg will proc ravager every second if you crit. Works best with stam sorc but is also viable with dots (dk and stamplar).

Tolino · July 2019

Lyar09 wrote: »

Nmg will proc ravager every second if you crit. Works best with stam sorc but is also viable with dots (dk and stamplar).

Thx

Next Patch Medium Stamsorc with Bloodspawn/Trollking + nmg+Ravager

Lyar09 · July 2019

Tolino wrote: »

Lyar09 wrote: »

Nmg will proc ravager every second if you crit. Works best with stam sorc but is also viable with dots (dk and stamplar).

Thx

Next Patch Medium Stamsorc with Bloodspawn/Trollking + nmg+Ravager

I still found Fury to be best through all my testings. Mostly because ravager is strictly offensive, while fury builds both offensively and defensively during combat. But nmg/ravager is a solid setup if you don’t mind being below 30k stam