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Do you use Stealth Detect in PVE

  • gronoxvx
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    No. Why? Lol.
  • max_only
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    Not even in the new dungeons?
    #FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
    #OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
    || CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
    ""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom
  • A_Silverius
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    Reduced stealth radius is very useful for questing. Being able to sneak past all the mobs and straight to the quest objective speeds things up alot. Its also helpful for dark brotherhood/thieves guild content. Give back our Bosmer stealth please.
    Edited by A_Silverius on February 27, 2019 12:33AM
    All over Tamriel, theres a sudden spike in Bosmers getting caught for their crimes. A sad day indeed... #FightForYourRite Give Bosmers back our stealth!
  • Uryel
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    Reduced stealth radius is was very useful for questing. Being able to sneak past all the mobs and straight to the quest objective speeds things up alot. Its also helpful for dark brotherhood/thieves guild content. Give back our Bosmer stealth please.

    There, I fixed it for you.
    Edited by Uryel on February 27, 2019 12:47AM
  • A_Silverius
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    Uryel wrote: »
    Reduced stealth radius is was very useful for questing. Being able to sneak past all the mobs and straight to the quest objective speeds things up alot. Its also helpful for dark brotherhood/thieves guild content. Give back our Bosmer stealth please.

    There, I fixed it for you.

    :/
    All over Tamriel, theres a sudden spike in Bosmers getting caught for their crimes. A sad day indeed... #FightForYourRite Give Bosmers back our stealth!
  • max_only
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    Maybe the devs use stealth detect in pve?
    #FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
    #OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
    || CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
    ""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom
  • max_only
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    By the way, if you use Magelight in these event quests you’d finish faster.
    :trollface:
    Edited by max_only on March 8, 2019 5:31AM
    #FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
    #OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
    || CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
    ""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom
  • Sylvermynx
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    Eh.... I've just never been interested in sneaking past mobs.

    Loved my stealth archer in Skyrim. Never went there in ESO. Different strokes for different games....
  • Anotherone773
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    no its useless except maybe in PVP sometimes and even then you can just replace the skill with a pot if you are bothered. My bosmer thanks you, ZOS, for making his stealing harder and giving him useless crap " in the name of balance"
  • max_only
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno
    @ZOS_RichLambert
    @ZOS_BrianWheeler
    @ZOS_Gilliam

    It’s not an exaggeration to say that detect stealth provides no pve benefit. Please take a look at this.
    #FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
    #OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
    || CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
    ""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom
  • wedgebert
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    no its useless except maybe in PVP sometimes and even then you can just replace the skill with a pot if you are bothered. My bosmer thanks you, ZOS, for making his stealing harder and giving him useless crap " in the name of balance"

    I wasn't even for balance. The balance portion was taking off the 10% damage bonus and I think most people are okay with that (or least don't like it, but understand the reasoning).

    Switching from improved stealth to improved stealth detection was just to make Bosmer and Khajiit "different". It was completely against the established lore of Bomser being incredibly stealthy who could "disappear into the shadow of a single leaf" while Khajiit were just good pickpockets and thieves on account of their agility.

    Nor did it make sense from the standpoint of the racial rebalance, specifically the goal of not locking playstyles behind races. Taking two stealthy races and reducing it to one is the exact opposite of that.

    It was a poorly thought out change given how miniscule a benefit it is and it was even more poorly communicated (i.e. nothing but silence in response to our concerns.
  • Finedaible
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvdf5n-zI14
  • max_only
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    Maybe console players have some insights now?
    #FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
    #OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
    || CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
    ""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom
  • max_only
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    Has anyone found a stealth detect quest on the PTS?
    #FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
    #OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
    || CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
    ""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom
  • BlueRaven
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    I have not. But we have to be careful as some quests are covered by a NDA.
  • wedgebert
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    max_only wrote: »
    Has anyone found a stealth detect quest on the PTS?

    Going to go out on a limb and say that there are zero stealth detect quests on PTS, or even planned for that matter.

    And on the off chance they ever do make one, everyone will just get some detection pots because 20m > 3m.
  • max_only
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    Does the new patch have anything in pve that requires detecting it in stealth?

    Maybe healing is better when you can detect stealth wounds (yknow internal bleeding and such)
    #FiteForYourRite Bosmer = Stealth
    #OppositeResourceSiphoningAttacks
    || CP 1000+ || PC/NA || GUILDS: LWH; IA; CH; XA
    ""All gods' creatures (you lot) are equal when covered in A1 sauce"" -- Old Bosmeri Wisdom
  • Dojohoda
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    Yes I use stealth detect in PVE
    If there is a nightblade NPC, then yes, I will use aoe damage. In my case that is usually blockade or some other aoe damage skill that I have slotted. I don't use potions for stealth detect in PVE, too $$.
    Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
    Might be joking in comments.
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  • rfennell_ESO
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    max_only wrote: »
    Let me know if you use this.

    Be it a potion, or a skill.

    That's a really silly poll. There would never be any reason to use stealth detection in pve.
  • Uryel
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    max_only wrote: »
    Let me know if you use this.

    Be it a potion, or a skill.

    That's a really silly poll. There would never be any reason to use stealth detection in pve.

    Indeed. Then why do we have a race that has a stealth detect passive ? That makes it the only race with a PvP only racial skill, right ? Also, the only one with one of their racial skill to have no use in PvE.
  • rfennell_ESO
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    Uryel wrote: »
    max_only wrote: »
    Let me know if you use this.

    Be it a potion, or a skill.

    That's a really silly poll. There would never be any reason to use stealth detection in pve.

    Indeed. Then why do we have a race that has a stealth detect passive ? That makes it the only race with a PvP only racial skill, right ? Also, the only one with one of their racial skill to have no use in PvE.

    Yeah the OP is making little sense.

    It would be like putting out a poll of "do you use a trampoline while playing eso?"

  • idk
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    Yes I use stealth detect in PVE
    Now I'm imagining a PVE guild playing hide and go seek

    I did not read the title correctly. I figure the only reason to ask about using stealth detect would be for PvP. My guess is most that answered yes fall into the same category.

    I cannot think of any situation where an NPC is stealthed and this would be used. There probably is something but nothing that is a big deal. I have seen in another game a raid with stealthing NPCs and there was a stealth detect that came in handy. Zos has not been so creative.

    My guess is there is an ulterior motive to creating this poll and thread.
  • Dojohoda
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    Yes I use stealth detect in PVE
    There are nightblade npcs, I find them mostly in delves, and they use stealth. It's not that big of a deal though, these are ordinary npcs with ordinary health pools. It's funny to me that when the npc nightblade is stealthed and it's winding up an attack white lines radiate from it's invisible body. So, sometimes I bash it if I don't have aoe slotted.
    Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
    Might be joking in comments.
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  • rfennell_ESO
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    There are nightblade npcs, I find them mostly in delves, and they use stealth. It's not that big of a deal though, these are ordinary npcs with ordinary health pools. It's funny to me that when the npc nightblade is stealthed and it's winding up an attack white lines radiate from it's invisible body. So, sometimes I bash it if I don't have aoe slotted.

    Actually the "stealth" ability they use isn't stealth, nor can it be detected by stealth detection.

  • Dojohoda
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    Yes I use stealth detect in PVE
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    There are nightblade npcs, I find them mostly in delves, and they use stealth. It's not that big of a deal though, these are ordinary npcs with ordinary health pools. It's funny to me that when the npc nightblade is stealthed and it's winding up an attack white lines radiate from it's invisible body. So, sometimes I bash it if I don't have aoe slotted.

    Actually the "stealth" ability they use isn't stealth, nor can it be detected by stealth detection.

    If it's not stealth what is it? The npc is invisible and aoe damage reveals it.

    Edited by Dojohoda on July 10, 2019 7:40PM
    Fan of playing magblade since 2015. (PC NA)
    Might be joking in comments.
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  • Red_Feather
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    PVE needs hidden stuff that can be revealed!

    Like secret doors and chests!
  • anadandy
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    There are nightblade npcs, I find them mostly in delves, and they use stealth. It's not that big of a deal though, these are ordinary npcs with ordinary health pools. It's funny to me that when the npc nightblade is stealthed and it's winding up an attack white lines radiate from it's invisible body. So, sometimes I bash it if I don't have aoe slotted.

    Actually the "stealth" ability they use isn't stealth, nor can it be detected by stealth detection.

    If it's not stealth what is it? The npc is invisible and aoe damage reveals it.

    Someone smarter than I am explained it in the now defunct Bosmer thread. Basically there are two types of rendering oneself unseen - stealth (crouching) and invisibility like cloak or that ambush attack those NB NPCs use. The Bosmer Stealth Detection only reveals the crouching type stealth - and no NPC does that in PvE.

    Besides, that ambush attack is not only clearly telegraphed - as you pointed out it radiates glowing lines while they wind up the attack.
    Edited by anadandy on July 10, 2019 7:56PM
  • Blinkin8r
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    Yes I use stealth detect in PVE
    Absolutely. I have inner light slotted on my front bar all the time. Mainly to reveal sneaky bosmers trying to sneak around town.
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    "A man without the sauce is lost, but the same man can become lost in the sauce."
  • rfennell_ESO
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    There are nightblade npcs, I find them mostly in delves, and they use stealth. It's not that big of a deal though, these are ordinary npcs with ordinary health pools. It's funny to me that when the npc nightblade is stealthed and it's winding up an attack white lines radiate from it's invisible body. So, sometimes I bash it if I don't have aoe slotted.

    Actually the "stealth" ability they use isn't stealth, nor can it be detected by stealth detection.

    If it's not stealth what is it? The npc is invisible and aoe damage reveals it.

    It would be classified as invisibility.

    Technically it could be called stealth, but it has a way different detection formula result.

    Basically it operates as stealth does, but it takes 30m off the final detection calculation.

    Best "stealth" in game is 7 medium Khaj with 3 stealth detection reduction sets. It gets you to 2m frontal detection or so with -from side and behind. Invisibility is way better as it generally will get you to -detection all around.

    It's:
    F20*65=13m-5-2-2-2=2m for max stealth character.
    invis is:
    F20*armor reduction=X-racial-set(s) then -30meters.
    even in 0 medium armor and no racials or sets it's invisible.
  • rfennell_ESO
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    No I don’t use stealth dectect in PVE
    anadandy wrote: »
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    Dojohoda wrote: »
    There are nightblade npcs, I find them mostly in delves, and they use stealth. It's not that big of a deal though, these are ordinary npcs with ordinary health pools. It's funny to me that when the npc nightblade is stealthed and it's winding up an attack white lines radiate from it's invisible body. So, sometimes I bash it if I don't have aoe slotted.

    Actually the "stealth" ability they use isn't stealth, nor can it be detected by stealth detection.

    If it's not stealth what is it? The npc is invisible and aoe damage reveals it.

    Someone smarter than I am explained it in the now defunct Bosmer thread. Basically there are two types of rendering oneself unseen - stealth (crouching) and invisibility like cloak or that ambush attack those NB NPCs use. The Bosmer Stealth Detection only reveals the crouching type stealth - and no NPC does that in PvE.

    Besides, that ambush attack is not only clearly telegraphed - as you pointed out it radiates glowing lines while they wind up the attack.

    Technically the bosmer ability would work versus invisibility. It's just that it's not nearly enough to reveal it. +3m versus -30m.
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