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Let's talk Stam Sorc
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akray21✭✭✭✭✭Since it´s quite a lot, let´s start collecting impactful changes:
1) DW has now a gap closer.
2) The twohander skill line has been buffed in multiple ways (carve nerfed and Momentum buffed from our perspective)
3) Silver Shards is even more viable as a spammable
4) Soul Trap now actually useful as a ranged attack
5) Trapping Webs might actually be useful
6) Caltrops now a utility skill
7) Blood Altar no cast times, no magicka costs
8) Circle of protection now a Stam heal
9) Vigor HUGELY separates solo players from small scalers/ group players. Most Stam classes will have to re-specc all the time when entering a group with their "solo" character. Except the StamSorcs, and the StamWardens, who have enough self healing to use the group vigor morph most of the time.
Please add further points!
How many of those skills are specific to stamina sorcerer? Oh, zero.. ok.
Mhm... ->Please remember that - EVEN if the pts rumors are true, and our old "HA - cancel- CritCharge - x - Streak through" playstyle is back, we still have to push for an offensive stam morph for our class.
We simply cannot tolerate to totally depend on the everchanging buffs and nerfs of weapon skills any longer.
This shouldn´t discourage us from exploring new opportunities, though.
Gotcha! Yeah, the main issue is the lack of stamina morphs and passives in the sorcerer class. I'm tired of being held hostage to weapon skills. Give us more tools that other classes don't have access to, please!3 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Since it´s quite a lot, let´s start collecting impactful changes:
1) DW has now a gap closer.
2) The twohander skill line has been buffed in multiple ways (carve nerfed and Momentum buffed from our perspective)
3) Silver Shards is even more viable as a spammable
4) Soul Trap now actually useful as a ranged attack
5) Trapping Webs might actually be useful
6) Caltrops now a utility skill
7) Blood Altar no cast times, no magicka costs
8) Circle of protection now a Stam heal
9) Vigor HUGELY separates solo players from small scalers/ group players. Most Stam classes will have to re-specc all the time when entering a group with their "solo" character. Except the StamSorcs, and the StamWardens, who have enough self healing to use the group vigor morph most of the time.
Please add further points!
How many of those skills are specific to stamina sorcerer? Oh, zero.. ok.
Mhm... ->Please remember that - EVEN if the pts rumors are true, and our old "HA - cancel- CritCharge - x - Streak through" playstyle is back, we still have to push for an offensive stam morph for our class.
We simply cannot tolerate to totally depend on the everchanging buffs and nerfs of weapon skills any longer.
This shouldn´t discourage us from exploring new opportunities, though.
Gotcha! Yeah, the main issue is the lack of stamina morphs and passives in the sorcerer class. I'm tired of being held hostage to weapon skills. Give us more tools that other classes don't have access to, please!
The class lacks identity2 -
msalvia✭✭✭✭But if we fix stamsorc, where will I keep all my crafting surveys, treasure maps, and AD siege gear?7 -
Trian94✭✭✭✭So I think that stamsorc is getting in a better spot now that medium is back into meta and you can basically get rally for burst heal along with a buffed resolving vigor and also benefit from crit surge more reliably. Furthermore streak/ball of lightning nerf is handy cause magicka sustain will be easier.PC EU
Stamina Socerer main - Northam Stormborn0 -
Trian94✭✭✭✭Btw anyone been into the pts to see how the new dawnbreaker mini cast time is? I'm curious since it's the best ultimate for the class.PC EU
Stamina Socerer main - Northam Stormborn0 -
Lyar09✭✭✭✭✭Welp, I cant even use Hurricane anymore. The shuffle changes has other players untargetable at this point.PC/NA | twitch.tv/ohhlyar | youtube.com/lyaryt1 -
katorga✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why ask for class skills when ZOS is obviously putting the focus on non-class skill lines. The only thing they haven't added to non-class lines yet is cloak.
Unblockable aoe stun as a magicka dump
aoe fear and minor protection
hella strong st dot
8 second major expedition or 5-6 second snare immunity and major evasion from shuffle.
Gap close in DW
major fracture on caltrops
More healing options
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MincVinyl✭✭✭✭✭Stamsorc and sorc in general really needs some of the passives reworked
For Passives:
-Blood Magic procs off of almost nothing, yet is allowed to proc every 0.5 seconds for some reason
-Exploitation gives minor prophecy, why not give SS minor savagery now that DD and CritSurge don't use spell crit
-Expert summoner does not apply to SS since neither pet scales with stam(even though clanfear does phys damage), Atro would never be worth it
For Active abilities:
-Bound armaments is really only a pve tank niche ability that every stamsorc has to slot, but never use
.......Considering the identity of the class is to move fast and hit hard this could be turned into a buff that lasts 6 or so seconds that lets you block move at full walking speed
-Clanfear should atleast scale with stam, but i doubt anyone would run it anyways because of barspace
-Since on a stamsorc you use mag heals(CritSurge+DarkDeal) there is always the problem that they will use elfborn(mag ability crit healing) cp even though they now will be based off of your highest crit(SS = weapon crit)
....likewise a magsorc using DarkExchange(stam ability) now crits off spell crit, but will use Precise strikes(stam ability crit heal)0 -
SaucyMcSauceface✭✭✭✭So, for single target at least, soul trap is now heaps stringer than hurricane, leaving me with one sorc skill on my bar anywhere - Critsurge. Realistically, vigor would be a stronger heal in some situations, so I could have a stam sorc where it was not worth running any class skills at all.0
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universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭SaucyMcSauceface wrote: »So, for single target at least, soul trap is now heaps stringer than hurricane, leaving me with one sorc skill on my bar anywhere - Critsurge. Realistically, vigor would be a stronger heal in some situations, so I could have a stam sorc where it was not worth running any class skills at all.
Soul trap unmorphed affect 2 targets, splititng trap morph affect 3, and all morphs restore resources. Seems like better sustain since it's already cost magicka as well. It might be a strong dot in pvp as well. And the best part is that it's range.1 -
validifyedneb18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Schattenfluegel wrote: »Stamsorc is fine...
Yes! Yes it is, and this is why people are so disheartened. Because of good passives the class is comparatively alright from a numerical standpoint, but thematically dead.EU: Magden, Magknight, Stamsorc(*2), Magsorc
NA: Magplar, Magden, PotatoBlade0 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »They need to switch power stone for blood magic.
Blood magic:
Doesn't affect suppression field.
Doesn't affect defensive rune.
Doesn't affect restraining prison.
So it basically only affects frags and mines.
So it basically only affects mag sorcs.
Who basically receive little benefit from it.
So basically it currently does no things.
Put blood magic in the summoning tree and make it actually useful.
Only Atro and dead weight are in the Summoning tree. Why not swapping it with any passive from Storm Calling? Blood Magic would affect Hurricane and Streak while SC's current passives are totally generic and aren't affect by it's skill tree anyway? Assuming we won't ever get anything stam related in the Summoning or Dark Magic lines.
BTW I'm not even surprised anymore that stam sorcs only get touched collaterally again.
There actually is a reason I did not suggest this and it was because the Storm Calling passives are in line with offensive abilities, and when you compare these to the other trees it is already stacked. I think that it would be much too strong as both of those abilities are aoe and you would get a huge heal just for making contact. But it's not completely unreasonable. I think though that the summon tree needs more character and it would fit better thematically and give pets something to offer.Tome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »They need to switch power stone for blood magic.
Blood magic:
Doesn't affect suppression field.
Doesn't affect defensive rune.
Doesn't affect restraining prison.
So it basically only affects frags and mines.
So it basically only affects mag sorcs.
Who basically receive little benefit from it.
So basically it currently does no things.
Put blood magic in the summoning tree and make it actually useful.
Only Atro and dead weight are in the Summoning tree. Why not swapping it with any passive from Storm Calling? Blood Magic would affect Hurricane and Streak while SC's current passives are totally generic and aren't affect by it's skill tree anyway? Assuming we won't ever get anything stam related in the Summoning or Dark Magic lines.
BTW I'm not even surprised anymore that stam sorcs only get touched collaterally again.
There actually is a reason I did not suggest this and it was because the Storm Calling passives are in line with offensive abilities, and when you compare these to the other trees it is already stacked. I think that it would be much too strong as both of those abilities are aoe and you would get a huge heal just for making contact. But it's not completely unreasonable. I think though that the summon tree needs more character and it would fit better thematically and give pets something to offer.
I see. But numbers can be tweaked and don't forget the cooldown. Hurricane ticks every second, not 0,5s. By rule of thumb that would be 1,5k hps in pvp + whatever surge gives you. Let's say 1-1,5k from it if you pack up dots or aoe. Plus vigor, rally, blood craze* etc.
It accumulates a bit but then again, other classes have access to good defense as well. No unnamed mitigation, not good burst heal or easy accessible healing modifiers, no cleanse. BM from Hurricane needs that kinda melee range, so streaking away won't let me heal then.
I never understood why BM has a 0,5s cooldown anyway. The only skill in that line that does dmg on that intervall is Negate, and afaik it doesn't even proc that passive.
But I can agree that summoning needs something too. Even tho Blood Magic isn't in that tree and I doubt that any stam sorc has space for doubleslotting pets.
*I haven't had time to jump into PTS yet but I doubt that the bleed changed affect the Blood Craze heal in a notable way. It's not make-or-break anyway.0 -
MinaevNaKone✭✭Ok lets tolk. I have 50k dps with all fractures on live, on PTS i have 38k dps. RIP
My archer channel (Bow/bow builds from RU):
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Saril_Durzam✭✭✭✭On PST, stamsorc is beating magsorc by more than 15k DPS.
Truth is, that stamsorc lack identity, they are fine just due Stamina is much better than Magicka.
Could be laughable but the entire Sorcerer class need some work on it (and some buffs aswell).Edited by Saril_Durzam on July 10, 2019 6:36AM0 -
Delsskia✭✭✭✭Stam Sorc won't be getting an identity nor useful class skills/passives, but to make up for it there will be a newly re-skinned camel in the crown store.NA-PC
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Skjaldbjorn✭✭✭✭✭
✭I will say 2h stam sorc is surprisingly solid. Popping 90k on the iron atro. Not that far behind Necro.1 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »I will say 2h stam sorc is surprisingly solid. Popping 90k on the iron atro. Not that far behind Necro.
If I may ask with what rotation and abilities? Also, I'm assuming standard meta sets?0 -
universal_wrath✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »More indirect nerfs for stam sorc in the upcoming patch
Looking back at the back note, I think stam sorc got indirect buff and feel superoir in mobility and dmg this patch in meduim armor0 -
akray21✭✭✭✭✭universal_wrath wrote: »universal_wrath wrote: »More indirect nerfs for stam sorc in the upcoming patch
Looking back at the back note, I think stam sorc got indirect buff and feel superoir in mobility and dmg this patch in meduim armor
I think they came out even. Medium will be the way to go, but every other stam class can still do what stam sorc does, but better.Edited by akray21 on July 10, 2019 3:51AM2 -
SaucyMcSauceface✭✭✭✭Skjaldbjorn wrote: »I will say 2h stam sorc is surprisingly solid. Popping 90k on the iron atro. Not that far behind Necro.
I would be interested in sets and rotations for this. My stam sorc is not hitting anywhere near that1 -
Trian94✭✭✭✭Welp, I cant even use Hurricane anymore. The shuffle changes has other players untargetable at this point.
I feel the pain as a (4 year) stamsorc main.PC EU
Stamina Socerer main - Northam Stormborn2 -
Morgul667✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Welp, I cant even use Hurricane anymore. The shuffle changes has other players untargetable at this point.
I feel the pain as a (4 year) stamsorc main.
Same here
3 years I think ... the bright side is that they solved bugs and performance issues in the meantime... wait what ?1 -
Trian94✭✭✭✭Welp, I cant even use Hurricane anymore. The shuffle changes has other players untargetable at this point.
I feel the pain as a (4 year) stamsorc main.
Same here
3 years I think ... the bright side is that they solved bugs and performance issues in the meantime... wait what ?
lulPC EU
Stamina Socerer main - Northam Stormborn0 -
Trian94✭✭✭✭I just really hope they revert the cast time on dawnbreaker and the other ultimates at this point. It's gonna be so trash if it makes it to livePC EU
Stamina Socerer main - Northam Stormborn0 -
RandomKodiak✭✭✭✭✭
Done to show a few guildies that with normal Reli and Deadly (both pretty easy to get) that even an ok player can do ok dps0 -
Chilly-McFreeze✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭By how much your dps will go down when you change your build to have more than 11k health?3 -
Qbiken✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Chilly-McFreeze wrote: »By how much your dps will go down when you change your build to have more than 11k health?
If you check the regen vs drain in the parse you will see that oversustain is present (when I say oversustain it doesn't necessarily mean that your regen has to be higher than your drain). So the dps would most likely go up with bistat food1