Let's talk Stam Sorc

Vlad9425 · July 2019

Stam sorc has the best mobility and very high burst potential. I run 2h and DW with mine using bleeds and it’s one of the best duelling builds in the game however I do think the class needs a stamina spammable.

TBois · July 2019

Muzzick wrote: »

validifyedneb18_ESO wrote: »

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Well, you make a character, you select sorc, then you ignore all your class skills and use only weapon, world, racial and guild skills.

That's more of a how, rather than a why

TBois wrote: »

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Because I made one when there was an identity, specifically crit surge without a cooldown on heals and stacking with rally, I could use streak more than 2 times, and hurricane hurt, also bound armor used to conjure daedric armor on you

Edit: most of this is gone due to needed nerfs and indirect nerds because of mag sorc overperforming

Ah I see, well that clarifies it I didn't know that. I have only been playing for about 7-8 months so it was confusing for me, I just assumed the class was meant to be a mag class even though we can technically put our attribute points wherever we want.

ZOS has stated that they want every class to have viable magicka and stamina builds. They don't want any class to only have one option for main resource. That is part of what differentiates their horizontal progression system vs other mmos. So a stamina variety of a class not having an identity is quite a big pain point.

They have even spoken about stam sorc not having an identity and have mentioned looking into options for them. They specifically mentioned looking into air atro (personally I would prefer stam overload because i dont think they would make air atro mobile), but that was before this past balance patch. The balance patch hit and there was no love for stam sorc besides a measly streak scaling off of stam damage (it will still do shock damage so pen and stam cp will not affect the damage). So most stam sorcs are exhausted from arguing for their class without much love from the developers. We feel like an ignored population, and it doesn't help that new people coming from other gaming universes think that sorcerers should only be magic based despite the long standing melee based sorcs in elder scrolls and the stated stance from zos about how they want their system to function.

Trian94 · July 2019

STAMINA BOUND WEAPON DREAMS INTENSIFY.

As a stamsorc main I approve this post.

del9 · July 2019

Thanks for posting, we've been clamoring for anything we can get. I don't think the class is necessarily in a BAD spot, but it is not healthy that our fate rests in the hands of weapon ability changes.

It is a SORCERER after all, it would be nice to have a single offensive stamina skill that goes with the flavor of sorc. That would probably mean a ranged ability, but at this point we would take anything.

Don't forget about us again please

akray21 · July 2019

crazywolfpusher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXM5TjJ-mcM
Stamsorc are fine and are the best class
jk

Critical Surge > useless outside vma and useless for tanks
Hurricane > meh damage, annoying visual effect, minor expedition could be tied to streak and resistances to armaments.
Bound Armaments > great passives, awful active
Dark Deal > Cast time meh, and when you are using 2h build, casting WB + this is just terrible aside 2h have great sustain. Maybe if the duration was 30 second i wouldn't mind the cast time.

PVE, the class feels boring for stamina because all you can do, other classes can do it better. Cmon 3 ultimates and none of them synergize with stamina? it feels wrong.

For pvp, stamsorc are fine

Hurricane is the one ability I don't want them to touch and the only reason I play stam sorc. Please don't chop this ability up.

Itacira · July 2019

Please at least make the clannfear scale scale off stamina. Or even health. Idk. SOMETHING

Chilly-McFreeze · July 2019

Defilted wrote: »

Streak is a gap closer IMO. Also functions for escaping and moving around the battle field. Fantastic skill!

That's a rather moot point.. Since there's no minimal range restriction anymore I can spam crit rush over and over and over in your face and get a heal everytime. At least if I find the space for surge. Nothing I could do with Streak. Only plus is the escape function. Which is meh again because I can spam gap closers over and over and over and over...

akray21 wrote: »

crazywolfpusher wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXM5TjJ-mcM
Stamsorc are fine and are the best class
jk

Critical Surge > useless outside vma and useless for tanks
Hurricane > meh damage, annoying visual effect, minor expedition could be tied to streak and resistances to armaments.
Bound Armaments > great passives, awful active
Dark Deal > Cast time meh, and when you are using 2h build, casting WB + this is just terrible aside 2h have great sustain. Maybe if the duration was 30 second i wouldn't mind the cast time.

PVE, the class feels boring for stamina because all you can do, other classes can do it better. Cmon 3 ultimates and none of them synergize with stamina? it feels wrong.

For pvp, stamsorc are fine

Hurricane is the one ability I don't want them to touch and the only reason I play stam sorc. Please don't chop this ability up.

Well, if they'd revert the whooping damage nerf on it I wouldn't argue against it.

universal_wrath · July 2019

Vlad9425 wrote: »

Stam sorc has the best mobility and very high burst potential. I run 2h and DW with mine using bleeds and it’s one of the best duelling builds in the game however I do think the class needs a stamina spammable.

Worst mobility and lowest busrt potential. With everyone running some sort of snare or immobalization. That makes sorcs minor expedition and streak useless in open world and BG, i don't know about dauling thought, but I reckon you don't move as much as you only fight 1 person, you move to far or try to come around you leave the dauling area. Totally different than BG and open world. As for burst dmg, it has the lowest of all classes. Given some sorcs use that is not availble to other classes. Everything sorcs does, other classes do better, which is way you don't see a lot of them any more specailly with the removal of implusion.

All classes can use recking blow like stam sorc, except the combine it with other skill sorcs don't have, like dk breath, wrden shalks, templar jabs, etc.

You can never be tankier , glass cannon or balanced than any other stam class, stam sorcs is lowest of everything. A joke burst heal as well with dark deal that can be interupted and 1,5 sec cast time even qithout interupt.

universal_wrath · July 2019

Defilted wrote: »

Streak is a gap closer IMO. Also functions for escaping and moving around the battle field. Fantastic skill!

It would be if it did nit have a penalty and I didn't have to using dark deal/conversion, you see the problem here? If you are a stamina and using dark deal, it takes your magicka to give you stamina and health, means less times you use streak because it cost magicka is well and an expensive one skill ir that. First cast of streak cost aroind 3700 magicka, second cast cost more than 5000 magicka if you don't wait of the penalty, why? Because you want to escape, or manuver around. Too much magicka to use on stam charcter. Currently no range or penalty on gap closer which make streak all the mord useless on stam sorc unless you wanted an aoe stun for some reason.

universal_wrath · July 2019

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Stam soec used to have an I dentity and BIS for both pvp and PVE, but everyone was crying so loud, ZOS massacred the class and it bottom now in PVP and it coming back up now in PVE

TBois wrote: »

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Because I made one when there was an identity, specifically crit surge without a cooldown on heals and stacking with rally, I could use streak more than 2 times, and hurricane hurt, also bound armor used to conjure daedric armor on you

Edit: most of this is gone due to needed nerfs and indirect nerds because of mag sorc overperforming

The feel is strong will this one T_T

Morgul667 · July 2019

Stamsorc need some love

Thraben · July 2019

The true question is: what can we do?

I tried it with Class Rep persuasion, we tried it with satire, we tried it with an appeal to pity... and with a lot of constructive threads too.

universal_wrath · July 2019

Thraben wrote: »

The true question is: what can we do?

I tried it with Class Rep persuasion, we tried it with satire, we tried it with an appeal to pity... and with a lot of constructive threads too.

I don't then ZOS ever cared about Class Reps as nothing zos did matched or came close to what the class reps said, all we can hope for is that someone from ZOS just looks around the corner to see us and voila, we good.

Lord_Sando · July 2019

TBH i would love a stam overload that was basically like imbue weapon sense overload in close range is kinda clunky. make over load add shock or physical damage depending on your weapon type and increase you light and heavy attack damage by x amount. imbue weapon is a good idea but the execution in pvp is not the best.

Thraben · July 2019

Please remember that - EVEN if the pts rumors are true, and our old "HA - cancel- CritCharge - x - Streak through" playstyle is back, we still have to push for an offensive stam morph for our class.

We simply cannot tolerate to totally depend on the everchanging buffs and nerfs of weapon skills any longer.

universal_wrath · July 2019

Thraben wrote: »

Please remember that - EVEN if the pts rumors are true, and our old "HA - cancel- CritCharge - x - Streak through" playstyle is back, we still have to push for an offensive stam morph for our class.

We simply cannot tolerate to totally depend on the everchanging buffs and nerfs of weapon skills any longer.

Same play style, all other classes can do and beat stam sorc in it. What we need is something that makes us unique, to do our own combos, not some generic combos. Same combos is strong on other classes because they use their own special skills with it, more flavor if you say.

Lyar09 · July 2019

Thraben wrote: »

Please remember that - EVEN if the pts rumors are true, and our old "HA - cancel- CritCharge - x - Streak through" playstyle is back, we still have to push for an offensive stam morph for our class.

We simply cannot tolerate to totally depend on the everchanging buffs and nerfs of weapon skills any longer.

I am personally excited with the supposed changes to shuffle and the nerf to flame reach. I might actually be able to LoS properly. LOVE LOVE LOVE that streak might be a hard cc. Not exactly what I was hoping for but it is still positive for stam sorc.

Cathexis · July 2019

They need to switch power stone for blood magic.

Blood magic:
Doesn't affect suppression field.
Doesn't affect defensive rune.
Doesn't affect restraining prison.

So it basically only affects frags and mines.
So it basically only affects mag sorcs.
Who basically receive little benefit from it.

So basically it currently does no things.

Put blood magic in the summoning tree and make it actually useful.

SaucyMcSauceface · July 2019

TBois wrote: »

Muzzick wrote: »

Just out of curiosity why does one even make a stamsorc in the first place if there's no identity?

Because I made one when there was an identity, specifically crit surge without a cooldown on heals and stacking with rally, I could use streak more than 2 times, and hurricane hurt, also bound armor used to conjure daedric armor on you

Edit: most of this is gone due to needed nerfs and indirect nerds because of mag sorc overperforming

Yep, this is why I made one too. Even just a couple of tweaks would be nice. It would be amazing if there were a stam version of mages fury to use as an execute, and an air atro like Ra Kotu as an stam ulti. I love crit surge though, for solo play it is amazing, and I really like the visual on hurricane.

Thraben · July 2019

So it is true.

I could cry, because there are so many good options now (hell, even Soul Trap xD), but we still need either a bound weapon skill, preferably as an active effect of bound armaments (because Imbue Weapons doesn't work in the lag, and because we need to activate the passive), or a Stam curse, or a Stam frag, or a moving Negate.

SilverPaws · July 2019

Stamdk could use class spammable aswell now that heroic got gutted.

Alucardo · July 2019

SilverPaws wrote: »

Stamdk could use class spammable aswell now that heroic got gutted.

Stam sorc has never had a class spammable, and they lack the DoTs and utility of stam dk. Are all stam dks going to be like this now their SnB cheese got taken away?

universal_wrath · July 2019

More indirect nerfs for stam sorc in the upcoming patch

Schattenfluegel · July 2019

Stamsorc is fine...

Chilly-McFreeze · July 2019

Cathexis wrote: »

They need to switch power stone for blood magic.

Blood magic:
Doesn't affect suppression field.
Doesn't affect defensive rune.
Doesn't affect restraining prison.

So it basically only affects frags and mines.
So it basically only affects mag sorcs.
Who basically receive little benefit from it.

So basically it currently does no things.

Put blood magic in the summoning tree and make it actually useful.

Only Atro and dead weight are in the Summoning tree. Why not swapping it with any passive from Storm Calling? Blood Magic would affect Hurricane and Streak while SC's current passives are totally generic and aren't affect by it's skill tree anyway? Assuming we won't ever get anything stam related in the Summoning or Dark Magic lines.

BTW I'm not even surprised anymore that stam sorcs only get touched collaterally again.

CurvedSwords123 · July 2019

For he love of God. Fix Stamsorc passives ZoS. Summoning shouldn't cater to magsorcs mainly! Change the skill tree name if you have to!

ZarkingFrued · July 2019

Nogawd wrote: »

Meta chasers deserve no sympathy.

How tf are you gonna even act like stamsorc is meta lol? Why are you dudes so concerned with meta, it doesnt matter and there is absolutely 100% nothing you can, or ever will do about it aside from complain on the forums. So just get past it lol.

Thraben · July 2019

Since it´s quite a lot, let´s start collecting impactful changes:

1) DW has now a gap closer.
2) The twohander skill line has been buffed in multiple ways (carve nerfed and Momentum buffed from our perspective)
3) Silver Shards is even more viable as a spammable
4) Soul Trap now actually useful as a ranged attack
5) Trapping Webs might actually be useful
6) Caltrops now a utility skill
7) Blood Altar no cast times, no magicka costs
8) Circle of protection now a Stam heal
9) Vigor HUGELY separates solo players from small scalers/ group players. Most Stam classes will have to re-specc all the time when entering a group with their "solo" character. Except the StamSorcs, and the StamWardens, who have enough self healing to use the group vigor morph most of the time.

Please add further points!

akray21 · July 2019

Thraben wrote: »

Since it´s quite a lot, let´s start collecting impactful changes:

1) DW has now a gap closer.
2) The twohander skill line has been buffed in multiple ways (carve nerfed and Momentum buffed from our perspective)
3) Silver Shards is even more viable as a spammable
4) Soul Trap now actually useful as a ranged attack
5) Trapping Webs might actually be useful
6) Caltrops now a utility skill
7) Blood Altar no cast times, no magicka costs
8) Circle of protection now a Stam heal
9) Vigor HUGELY separates solo players from small scalers/ group players. Most Stam classes will have to re-specc all the time when entering a group with their "solo" character. Except the StamSorcs, and the StamWardens, who have enough self healing to use the group vigor morph most of the time.

Please add further points!

How many of those skills are specific to stamina sorcerer? Oh, zero.. ok.

Thraben · July 2019

akray21 wrote: »

Thraben wrote: »

Since it´s quite a lot, let´s start collecting impactful changes:

1) DW has now a gap closer.
2) The twohander skill line has been buffed in multiple ways (carve nerfed and Momentum buffed from our perspective)
3) Silver Shards is even more viable as a spammable
4) Soul Trap now actually useful as a ranged attack
5) Trapping Webs might actually be useful
6) Caltrops now a utility skill
7) Blood Altar no cast times, no magicka costs
8) Circle of protection now a Stam heal
9) Vigor HUGELY separates solo players from small scalers/ group players. Most Stam classes will have to re-specc all the time when entering a group with their "solo" character. Except the StamSorcs, and the StamWardens, who have enough self healing to use the group vigor morph most of the time.

Please add further points!

How many of those skills are specific to stamina sorcerer? Oh, zero.. ok.

Mhm... ->

Thraben wrote: »

Please remember that - EVEN if the pts rumors are true, and our old "HA - cancel- CritCharge - x - Streak through" playstyle is back, we still have to push for an offensive stam morph for our class.

We simply cannot tolerate to totally depend on the everchanging buffs and nerfs of weapon skills any longer.

This shouldn´t discourage us from exploring new opportunities, though.