WardenofNirn wrote: »This will only help the biggest trading guilds out there to ensure a trader each week. What small or medium sized guild has tens or even hundreds of millions on their bank account, letting them bid on 10 locations at once?
ZOS???
How is this going to help anyone except the large trading guilds? Seriously?
My main guild only has about 500k to bid each week which is rarely enough to get a trader. We would need 5 million gold to cover 10 spots. That is insane!
WardenofNirn wrote: »`
Why did you implement this? To get rid of all bigger guilds backup traders in a nice way? @ZOS_GinaBruno
DragonRacer wrote: »Not sure how to feel about this. It depends on how, exactly, this is supposed to function.
Will it be like...
1) I have 10 million in my guild bank. I bid 9 million on Trader A and 1 million on Trader B and can place no more additional bids because I have used up all of my funds. This is my suspicion since currently, when you place your bid, that money appears as "withdrawn" from your guild bank.
OR
2) I have 10 million in my guild bank. I bid 9 million on 10 different traders knowing that only one will actually win.
Which is it, @ZOS_GinaBruno ?
ZOS???
How is this going to help anyone except the large trading guilds? Seriously?
My main guild only has about 500k to bid each week which is rarely enough to get a trader. We would need 5 million gold to cover 10 spots. That is insane!
The point isn't to necessarily cover 10 spots though. You could bid on your normal spot and then bid a tiny amount on a secondary, potentially cheaper spot. That way if you lose the first bid, maybe you win the second and at least still have a trader for the week.
It also helps to fix some of the fake bidding being done by empty guilds. They only do it to ensure they have a spot, now larger guilds will be able to bid on both locations and then when they win their more expensive good location, the next bidder up gets the secondary spot instead of their fake guild that they were using to hold a place just in case.
ZOS???
How is this going to help anyone except the large trading guilds? Seriously?
My main guild only has about 500k to bid each week which is rarely enough to get a trader. We would need 5 million gold to cover 10 spots. That is insane!
The point isn't to necessarily cover 10 spots though. You could bid on your normal spot and then bid a tiny amount on a secondary, potentially cheaper spot. That way if you lose the first bid, maybe you win the second and at least still have a trader for the week.
It also helps to fix some of the fake bidding being done by empty guilds. They only do it to ensure they have a spot, now larger guilds will be able to bid on both locations and then when they win their more expensive good location, the next bidder up gets the secondary spot instead of their fake guild that they were using to hold a place just in case.
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »ZOS???
How is this going to help anyone except the large trading guilds? Seriously?
My main guild only has about 500k to bid each week which is rarely enough to get a trader. We would need 5 million gold to cover 10 spots. That is insane!
The point isn't to necessarily cover 10 spots though. You could bid on your normal spot and then bid a tiny amount on a secondary, potentially cheaper spot. That way if you lose the first bid, maybe you win the second and at least still have a trader for the week.
It also helps to fix some of the fake bidding being done by empty guilds. They only do it to ensure they have a spot, now larger guilds will be able to bid on both locations and then when they win their more expensive good location, the next bidder up gets the secondary spot instead of their fake guild that they were using to hold a place just in case.
I dont get, why those guilds are getting rewarded now...
SammiSakura wrote: »This is just insane. I dont understand the reasoning behind this. If its to get rid of backups, just do what we asked and stop disbanding a guild from freeing the trader, that would fix it much more effectively. My small guild cant afford this!
ZOS???
How is this going to help anyone except the large trading guilds? Seriously?
My main guild only has about 500k to bid each week which is rarely enough to get a trader. We would need 5 million gold to cover 10 spots. That is insane!
The point isn't to necessarily cover 10 spots though. You could bid on your normal spot and then bid a tiny amount on a secondary, potentially cheaper spot. That way if you lose the first bid, maybe you win the second and at least still have a trader for the week.
It also helps to fix some of the fake bidding being done by empty guilds. They only do it to ensure they have a spot, now larger guilds will be able to bid on both locations and then when they win their more expensive good location, the next bidder up gets the secondary spot instead of their fake guild that they were using to hold a place just in case.
When was the last time you won a guild trader with a "tiny amount"? 2014?
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »ZOS???
How is this going to help anyone except the large trading guilds? Seriously?
My main guild only has about 500k to bid each week which is rarely enough to get a trader. We would need 5 million gold to cover 10 spots. That is insane!
The point isn't to necessarily cover 10 spots though. You could bid on your normal spot and then bid a tiny amount on a secondary, potentially cheaper spot. That way if you lose the first bid, maybe you win the second and at least still have a trader for the week.
It also helps to fix some of the fake bidding being done by empty guilds. They only do it to ensure they have a spot, now larger guilds will be able to bid on both locations and then when they win their more expensive good location, the next bidder up gets the secondary spot instead of their fake guild that they were using to hold a place just in case.
I dont get, why those guilds are getting rewarded now...
Nothing was going to prevent them from doing that. So at least this way, no one is getting shafted from getting a trader by shadow guilds. It isn't really a reward as it is a better bidding system. One that smaller guilds can take advantage of as well by bidding a smaller amount on an out of the way trader just in case. And since the money is refunded, it isn't like it hurts anything.
Countdownical wrote: »Uhhh.. Seriously ZOS, this is just proof that you don't give a *** about anything anymore, and keep breaking the game piece by piece. I know several guilds who are already planning to disband bc of the latest issues you've been causing and managing a guild is stressful enough and this just pushed them over the edge.. Simply not worth it anymore.
If you want a revolution - you're on your way to create one.
Dont_do_drugs wrote: »Dont_do_drugs wrote: »ZOS???
How is this going to help anyone except the large trading guilds? Seriously?
My main guild only has about 500k to bid each week which is rarely enough to get a trader. We would need 5 million gold to cover 10 spots. That is insane!
The point isn't to necessarily cover 10 spots though. You could bid on your normal spot and then bid a tiny amount on a secondary, potentially cheaper spot. That way if you lose the first bid, maybe you win the second and at least still have a trader for the week.
It also helps to fix some of the fake bidding being done by empty guilds. They only do it to ensure they have a spot, now larger guilds will be able to bid on both locations and then when they win their more expensive good location, the next bidder up gets the secondary spot instead of their fake guild that they were using to hold a place just in case.
I dont get, why those guilds are getting rewarded now...
Nothing was going to prevent them from doing that. So at least this way, no one is getting shafted from getting a trader by shadow guilds. It isn't really a reward as it is a better bidding system. One that smaller guilds can take advantage of as well by bidding a smaller amount on an out of the way trader just in case. And since the money is refunded, it isn't like it hurts anything.
it definitely is a reward, bcs they can go on what they did without having the effort of building a new guild for it. its actually pretty much the same. and as before those with the big bank will have the advantage, bcs smaller and newcoming guilds often cant afford multiple bids with their bank. and talking about the beeing refunded: if i am starting to bid 10 x 10 mio i can do it it, bcs i am having the financial backup, but someone who just starts and is depending on the weekly sales bcs of lacking funds, that someone wont be able to compete with the same tactics. also u need to add on that, that years of exploitive methods in trading already produced a massive gap between rich and poor (guilds) in this game and those funds will benefit those, who are that rich, old and established.
No, it isn't the same though. As it is now, a Guild and their shadow counterpart can win both bids and eat up two trader locations.
Rushinator wrote: »I 100% agree this is favors big guilds over small guilds and I say this as a GM of a large guild who'll be able to afford throwing out tons of gold if necessary.
However its also going to VASTLY increase bid prices. You'll now have tons of guilds bidding against your spot every week because they can now bid on your spot & nine others.
There is now ZERO risk to start a trade war & bump another guild. So what if your 1st bid fails? You have 9 others that are likely to win.
The pressure is now on to bid even higher every week & toss more gold into the pot.
You now have to fund multiple bids each week & be aware that people can bid against you without fear of losing.
Any guilds that have enjoyed "low-balling" will have their hearts broken. The days of "low-balling" are over.
It'll be incredibly to say go to Wayrest & bid 8M on all 7 spots & see which of those 7 guilds has been low-balling.
You literally don't have to change the way you are bidding at all if you don't want to.
You literally don't have to change the way you are bidding at all if you don't want to.
That literally is not the point of this thread.
Again, those changes will only benefit the large trading guilds with deep pockets.
Everyone else has already been pushed to the edge of the guild trader system, and this may very well push most of us mid/smaller sized guilds completely out of the system.
My main guild is not a trading guild, we have been providing a kiosk to our members as a service. We don't charge fees.
We have about 450 members with maybe 100 active at any given day.
The weekly 500k we need to maintain a trader comes from donations and a large portion of that is covered by the same few officers each and every week. So in reality we have been operating at a loss just to be able to provide this service to our members.
I imagine most mid/small size guilds operate in a similar fashion. There simply isn't enough gold for us to maintain more than one bid that has any chance of actually winning.