VaranisArano wrote: »

So one of the reasons that PVP isn't monetized right now is that the population is so small because performance is so poor. That's why BGs had to become base game and one reason why IC struggles.

Reverse that equation by improving performance, and you will see more PVPers.

Which means that ZOS can explore some of the ideas for new PVP content like a Battle Royale or Guild v Guild dueling mode, and be confident that there will be a population big enough to make those worth the effort.

But none of that happens without performance fixes, because I can't imagine too many PVPers who will be happy to be asked to spend money on broken content.



Easiest way to make $$$ fron PVP?
Add an Alliance Change token to the Crown Store.
Too bad ZOS already said they have no plans to do Alliance Change.

Alliance change is just short term. It is not truly monetizing PvP which is what would be required for Zos to really put effort into enhancing PvP beyond what they should have done already (performance).

You certainly make a good point concerning BGs. People were clamoring for BGs not enough chose to support it when it was launched, hence it became part of the base game as you pointed out.

That alone told Zos that heavy investing into PvP is not a good business move. The player base spoke.

TequilaFire wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

As a mainly PvP player I have been continuously subbed for the past 5 years on 3 accounts and spent hundreds of dollars on ESO. I take exception to statements that PvP players don't put just as much revenue into the game as PvE players.

I don't think the OP was insinuating that some PvP players don't spend as much as other PvE players, but more as a whole he was making the assumption that PvE players spend more (which I would have to agree with).

If you had two players, one who only PvP'd and the other who only did overland PvE content, who do you think is more likely spend money in the Crown Store and/or ESO+. To me, it seems like a no-brainer...the PvE player. But I could be making the completely wrong assumption, and maybe there is no correlation between what content you play and how likely you are to purchase from the Crown Store...

Anyways, I do like some of the ideas of how to bring new items/functionality to the Crown Store that would target PvP players.

I have houses, the banker, the merchant, pets, mounts.
I have leveled 32 characters buying experience scrolls etc.
So it is the wrong assumption.

BigBragg wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

Donny_Vito wrote: »

TequilaFire wrote: »

As a mainly PvP player I have been continuously subbed for the past 5 years on 3 accounts and spent hundreds of dollars on ESO. I take exception to statements that PvP players don't put just as much revenue into the game as PvE players.

I don't think the OP was insinuating that some PvP players don't spend as much as other PvE players, but more as a whole he was making the assumption that PvE players spend more (which I would have to agree with).

If you had two players, one who only PvP'd and the other who only did overland PvE content, who do you think is more likely spend money in the Crown Store and/or ESO+. To me, it seems like a no-brainer...the PvE player. But I could be making the completely wrong assumption, and maybe there is no correlation between what content you play and how likely you are to purchase from the Crown Store...

Anyways, I do like some of the ideas of how to bring new items/functionality to the Crown Store that would target PvP players.

I have houses, the banker, the merchant, pets, mounts.
I have leveled 32 characters buying experience scrolls etc.
So it is the wrong assumption.

A slue of hair, tattoos, and other cosmetics
82 costumes
70 pets
40 mounts
13 Characters
9 personalities
3 Chapters all preordered
1 Earthtear Cavern

I concur that the assumptions are unfounded.


p.s. This doesn't even cover all the gifts that I have sent out to people.

Edit for clarity
Context: PvP content doesn't bring the money in like PvE, housing, & non-combat items due to the lack of items directly tied to PvP within the Crown store.

Stay on topic please.

Wolfpaw wrote: »

My examples
1. ESO Plus adds 10% increase to AP.
2. Purchasable resurrection animations. For example, based on element, magic, Daedric Princes, etc...
3. Different Crown Icons like faction, guild, customization, etc...

First off all I lack the creative mind that can see past Cyrodiil and GF working appropriately. I am clouded by most that I used to run in Cyrodiil with 5 years ago have long left the game with little chance of their returning. I am still bitter about that because all left due to how Zos managed the game, and really still does.

Below I am commenting on the OP's ideas. I am not nocking them for thinking and coming up with idea as that is good but they also need to be open to critique.

10% bonus to AP with ESO+ would be considered P2W by the most conservative measures since leaderboard and Emperor are tied to AP earned in the campaign. This is not the same as offering a 10% XP bonus and should be a no go from the start.

The resurrection animations is a great idea but more of a cash shop item available to all. It really is a great idea If Zos can make it work easy enough.

Not really sure what you mean on the last item. We need to see the alliance icon and it needs to be consistent. So not sure beyond that what you are speaking to.

@Donny_Vito They are letting you know they spend money through the crown store and subs. Are you subbed?. I'm sure most if not all pvpers run pve content as well.

I also know several people who sub and buy items that mainly pvp. They also play house simulator and buy other items from the crown store.

I think the lines between pvp and pve aren't as defined as some think. Some of us just decided that pvp was a bit more fun than pve.

VaranisArano wrote: »

Too bad ZOS already said they have no plans to do Alliance Change.

So? They had plans for a PvP part of the justice system too.
Plans may change over time...

Though I still say, IF alliance change, then Done RIGHT!

And by that I don't mean some token that pops your character to a new alliance, I do indeed mean a whole guild-DLC sized questline with an cloak and dagger (Or since this is ESO, "hood and dagger", perhaps?) spycraft flavor and a "faction loyalty called in question" plot, where you get to make a big choice in the middle - stay loyal to your alliance and prove yourself, or turn your back on them and defect to greener pastures elsewhere...

With the second half (or two thirds, or whatever) of the questline being different depending on your choice - either uncovering the one who actually framed you, mobilize your old and trusted allies to gather support and track down the true conspiracy while dodging the agents sent to bring you in; or preparing your escape, dodging the agents sent to arrest you, courting your desired new friends while grabbing some juicy secrets on the way out to sweeten the deal, etc.

Such a story could have a neutral city as "spycraft" focal point (like vienna during the cold war, where spies and agents often went to spy hard between the two sides - for ESO it could be some place between the alliances, a former imperial town declared "free city" after the fall of the empire in northern nibenay, eastern colovia or western skyrim, perhaps, or even an post-anchorite-war isle of stirk...), but otherwise take you all over the old faction regions, possibly revisiting a few one-time-only maps with new mobs... and perhaps even meeting a few familiar faces (come on, wouldn't you love to slam a porticullis shut into Razum-dars face as you hop on a boat bound to Morrowind with thre adorable Naryu? )

Such a questline could even have special titles depending on what you choose... "[original faction] Loyalist" or "[original faction] Defector"... obviously it would be a one-time only event, thus making serial defectors that change alliance depending on which one is currently top in cyrodil that some people always fear when this topic comes up an impossibility.

And it also might have drawbacks for PvP, like... reduced AP gain for several months, since noone fully trusts a traitor... or maybe having to re-earn all the AP up to your current rank before you start progressing again, representing your efforts to convince your new allies of your trustworthyness... and definitely increased AP rewards if a member of your original faction takes you down, because...


(there could even be a daily "hunt traitor" mission, and defectors from your PvP-characters alliance in cyrodil getting an visual clue while that mission is active...)

Also, this could be a option to add new factions to PvP.
And yes, those could be "crown store unlocks"...
Like... have options to not just defect to one of the other two alliances, but also "go rogue" and join a new "Outlaw" faction (...black color and jolly roger flag, perhaps? Would be hostile to -every- other faction in cyrodil, and spawn at some new but unsecured base, thus very susceptible to enemy raids - trials of being an outlaw in the face of organized armies); or an "Imperial Remnant" faction (purple imperial diamond flag, spawning in some ill-secured legion base somewhere, possibly at the nibenay border, and also fighting everyone else, but turning all the "imperial" NPCs in cyrodil non-hostile?), or a "neutral" faction that is "yellow" to everyone (green flag and incapable of capturing locations, spawning at various random merchant camps and such...)
Might be too complicated, but would still be interesting!

Wolfpaw wrote: »

1. ESO Plus adds 10% increase to AP.
2. Purchasable resurrection animations. For example, based on element, magic, Daedric Princes, etc...
3. Different Crown Icons like faction, guild, customization, etc...

Definitely stuff that sounds like it could find a buyer!
Let's not stop there tho... crown-purchasable stuff could also include:

...alternatives to the guild tabard - how would a "guild back banner" sound? Possibly with a special effect if worn by a group leader...

...custumized visuals dor the "duelling sign" efffect, including various styles - haughty and stylish altmer, "for sithis!" argonian, "Git it on awreddy" orc, etc.

...crown store PvP consumables, like special looking siege engines (which don't do more damage, but look -way- cooler - magical bound daedroths forced to belch fireballs at the enemy castle just like a trebuchet, magical ayleid stones that fire lightning bolts just like a ballista, magical necromantic ritual circles that lob cursed like a meatbag catapult, etc.)

...customized visuals for some skills, much like the "slate grey bear" for wardens... a "standard of might" with your faction sign, for example? Vigor in your alliance colors?

Also, why not add some effect to "Pay To Loose" items and let people buy more of those during the jesters festival? Like... a significant increase of AP if you win despite playing "P2L"? And then, add them in ALL weapons not just 2H - rogues dual wielding feather dusters, archery with a rubberband slingshot, tanking with a roilled up sheaf of parchment and a barrel lid, mages with a fairy wand-like staff that shoots rainbows insterad of fireballs and pink fluffy hearts for the heals... and more helmets too, a light "folded parchment hat" or a medium "living badger holding on to your head in terror helmet"...

BrooksP wrote: »

Why? If you think increasing the revenue from PVP players will somehow influence ZOS to fix performance or use said revenue to put towards PVP, you are delusional. Majority of current monetization isn't even exclusive to PVE, so all you are suggesting is to add in more monetization to an already grossly over-monetized game.

I don't understand peoples mindset thinking that if ZOS milks the playerbase even more, that maybe that might cause them to actually care. ESO is most likely on a reduced crew, fixed patch/content schedule, and any other staff is allocated on other (non-ESO)projects. Any increase in revenue will simply go towards other projects, investors, or executive bonuses.

xMovingTarget wrote: »

The game is already overmonitized as is, don't give ZoS more ideas.
If they want more money, they should start fixing the damn game, so people actually play have fun. They need to deserve our wallets. Alot of people don't give them money because they don't care to fix anything.

"For the sake of this thread lets say ZOS fixed PvP performance making it better than ever."

I will compile a list of everyones suggestions to help clear out the noise.

Thogard wrote: »

PvP streams get the most viewers by far though. Even if it isn’t something that most people play, it has the most visibility for people outside the game who are considering buying it.

If Matt Firor/ZOS did a Toxic Tuesday stream I would watch.

TheShadowScout wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

The game is already overmonitized as is, don't give ZoS more ideas.

Look at the direction games are taking.

We have to face the facts that companies like ZOS are controlled by just the kind of people whose shrivelled little hearts beat for the whole notion of PROFIT! Because that is what they got hired to do by the shareholders - increase the profit! And if a game does not net them enough of that profit... then it might soon go the way of the dodo.

And as the OP realized, the fact that they currently have no ideas as how to get some profit out of the PvPlayers... led to there being very few PvP additions ever since the whole thing went BtP. I mean... IC was a bit of a flop, was it not, due to being too ganky, yes? How many people paid for that as compared to those who paid for Orsinium, TG, DB... etc.

The conclusion from the suits in charge - PvP does not pay, lets do what gets us profit instead!

So... if you want PvP to get some love, you gotta find some ways to let their black little hearts light up with glowing green greed when they smell profit!

And that is what this is about, brainstorming what PvP-related stuff people might spend their crowns on that is not blatantly "Pay-to-Win" or those despicable "Lootbox Keys..." (latter which might become iffy someday soon... likely not banned across the board, but... well, if the courts rule it as gambling, the rate it would be taxed might change significantly...)

So, go ahead, PvPeople.
Say what YOU would feel tempted to spend crowns on.

Praise the PvP gods, thank you.

This whole idea that pve'rs spend more than pvp'rs is trash. Unless several posters above are employees and have access to the numbers it's a 100% baseless assumption, fake news, purposely divisive thread...