Join a dungeon guild and leave the pugs

Just running with a guild that I trust seems viable... more viable then default.

Elric_Ashborn wrote: »

For the last week I've been hardcore dungeon running. Rounding down I have run into time and time again (1 in 3) or in some cases more then twice per dungeon a tank or a healer queuing up without any ability to do such at all. The last THREE healers had no healing moves at all. Running with tanks with 11k health running light armor. It is so overwhelmingly systemic its sad. Just to cut ahead of the line.

My personal crossroad, I want to build a pure DPS. But to put it mildly, I have never been able to do such in ESO. But, I do get some complaints sometimes that my DPS could be higher, I WANT it to be higher. But every single day, sometimes more then once a dungeon I need to heal for the group. All with the same story I'm not kidding you "sorry bro just wanted my daily" I have heard that FOUR times just today. I'm honestly pretty laid back, I'll carry you if I can, but a great deal of these folks are not even aware of the mechanics. Watching a bow stamina build run Breath of life. What is very strange is most/all of these folks have high CP...

Should I...
A) Play as my Hybrid this will never be solved.
Build a pure DPS and deal with the... special users.
C) Go to FF14 where they properly train roles, and make then go through the routine, before doing dungeons.

IMO try FF14, its' leveling and combat systems are really clean and a lot of fun. Also being able to level every class on one single toon is pretty nice.

1) join a guild
2) make a tank / healer so you don't have to deal with fakes as much and don't have to worry about dps performance

PC NA there is a dude named yodased who runs a guild named dungeon dwellers.

Leader is badass, check them out

Build pure dps and throw a self/burst heal on your backbar. Vigor, Surge/matriach, spores, dragon blood, sap essence...cant remember the necro skill 5 living death.

You will kill everything faster and survive in normals. And with some of the above heal your group anyway while being 95% dps.

DDs flagging as healers is not a bad thing actually since 3 DDs is way better than running with a healer for 95 percent of the dungeons anyway but yeah fake tanks are a big problem.

Elric_Ashborn wrote: »

For the last week I've been hardcore dungeon running. Rounding down I have run into time and time again (1 in 3) or in some cases more then twice per dungeon a tank or a healer queuing up without any ability to do such at all. The last THREE healers had no healing moves at all. Running with tanks with 11k health running light armor. It is so overwhelmingly systemic its sad. Just to cut ahead of the line.

My personal crossroad, I want to build a pure DPS. But to put it mildly, I have never been able to do such in ESO. But, I do get some complaints sometimes that my DPS could be higher, I WANT it to be higher. But every single day, sometimes more then once a dungeon I need to heal for the group. All with the same story I'm not kidding you "sorry bro just wanted my daily" I have heard that FOUR times just today. I'm honestly pretty laid back, I'll carry you if I can, but a great deal of these folks are not even aware of the mechanics. Watching a bow stamina build run Breath of life. What is very strange is most/all of these folks have high CP...

Should I...
A) Play as my Hybrid this will never be solved.
Build a pure DPS and deal with the... special users.
C) Go to FF14 where they properly train roles, and make then go through the routine, before doing dungeons.

You gotta look out for number One and make sure You are having a fun time. What ever the answer is, THAT is what the answer should be based on. Do not play what others 'need'. Play what you will have fun with.

Quite frankly, it's not your responsibility to get daily rewards for other players. And it is Very selfish of others to Lie about their character type so they can get into a dungeon fast and then Con everyone into carrying them through it. It's completely disrespectful to everyone else and people should Not, IMHO, bail them out.

I personally try to adapt my build for pugs when pugging. Instead of going full on DPS, I use TFS (I don't count on having the pen buffs from group when pugging) and VO (it adds sustain, which might not be available from group when pugging). On my stam sorc, I'll also use skills like vigor and crit surge to heal myself - also because there's no way of knowing if the healer in PuGs is gonna have enough healing.

I also expect newer players to inform the rest of the group if they are new. I sometimes ask my group if somebody is new, so we can explain the mechanics beforehand and wait for them to finish the quest. Being new is never a reason to votekick for me!

Join a large active guild and say goodbye to pug runs. Even in the guild, we don't often have a tank or a healer but as there is at least one person on the run who can clear the dungeon solo it's almost never required. Of course vet is a totally different story as are trials. For trials we prefer people to be on Discord for normal and that's mandatory for Vet trials, with quite a lot of requirements. But that's going from the easiest to the hardest content, a good guild will help you achieve everything you want including higher DPS.

Always have a self heal available period unless you go in a organized planned group. Even then it is still a good idea to have a self heal and not go full glass canon.

Personally I can tell when I pug a group as either a tank/healer or dps who has the ability to self sustain and heal when needed. The runs go so much smoother if the dps can self heal and the healer can spend most of their time doing dps.

Some of my favorite times in a dungeon as a healer is when a dps gets hit hard and starts running away from the group and I have to stop dps/support and chase them down to heal them.

PUG has its risks.
You really need to run dungeons with friends/guild mates for better experiences.

yodased wrote: »

Join a dungeon guild and leave the pugs

This is the dog running 'round it's own tail in order to bite it.

Yoda's right in his statement, it's just the truth that's behind it that is not "fair".

Imagine this:

You make a Tank, pure tank---> start to play alone, go in pugs find many ppl with crappy DPS/doing stupid things. Take ages to do even simple dungeon.
BTW tanking is boring AF in an easy dungeon with low DPS so you wont do it anymore.

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PPL in pugs will not find you (nor many other tanks) anymore in finders so they'll start to "lie to the AF" and declare themselves as tanks (while they are plain DD not even DD with a little more HP or a taunt skill)

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For each person that do the above 3 ppl are going to have (90%) a bad time.

10% you'll get one so good that can tank/DD if it's a base game dungeon


Pretty much the same is for healers.

Tanks and healers in this games are designed as buffers/debuffers other than their main role.
Buffs/Debuffs works good only if some good number is already there to begin with.

TLDR=

Real Tanks/Heals are (almost) going with guilds/premades only. They are rare (compared to DDs) and do prefer not to get the shortest straw for a (let's say) pledge. Many DDs are probably asking em to go already (unless these tanks/heals sucks) from guilds so why they should?

Result= fake tanks, fake heals

I think ZOS should address this problem ASAP 'cause it's a REAL bad experience for new players finding themselves in dungeons with setups that are NOT supposed to be and learning things the WRONG way.

Just to comment on the above.. I pug every day on all and I actively recruit to my guild through that so I am literally even worse than presented.

Im actively removing good players from the he'll that is PUG and wrapping them in the warm blanket that is my guild.