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Do we have any update on elsweyr performance disaster?
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ilcavallo✭✭✭Comment, information, acknowledgement, update, whatever you want to call it.. Or did i miss it? I did see @ZOS_RichLambert s post but i wouldnt really call that an update since, from what i understand, what hes talking about has nothing to do with console and pvp. Thats where i play so thats what im worried about, because its bad here. But please, inform me if i'm wrong.
Anyway, if i were to call this what it is then this post would be removed.. But if i had to put it as nicely as possible, performance (especially pvp) is very very very bad. And to pretend its not happening, while so many people post about it everyday, could be called MANY things but again ill call it very very very bad.
But please, let me know if i missed something about it. I couldn't find anything (besides the one post) but I would love to know if we have some real information or just the usual zenimax silence..
So you're trying to be as nice as possible by saying performance is very bad but then you title the post a performance disgrace? And on top of that you have your name as eso lags. It seems like you are more interested in antagonizing than being constructive.
Not 100% sure but believe he is a streamer/youtuber that PVPs quite a bit on console
He has posted a lot of constructive feedback in the past
I think he is more interested in a solution to the performance issues - as are most
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Willard✭✭✭On PS4 frame rate drops when no one is around? Actions like mounting, attacking, and dodging happen 5-10 seconds after you perform the action. The sound that goes along with actions happens 5-10 seconds after you do it. Makes for a not so fun game!6 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
I totally agree. Also, when people do post their complaint they not only fail to indicate accurately what it is but they drive any developer away from reading it by lacing the post with asinine comments about the poor quality of the team and how they're only interested in fixing problems if they're related to the crown store. For good measure they then add a few insulting comments about those who report that they don't have the same problems.
People would actually be far better off posting a concise, factual and objective account of their issue on the appropriate technical forum for their platform, rather than here. We know that the only attention they'll get here is from the moderators, whereas the ZOS technical team do actually respond to, and interact with, posters on the technical forums. Just check out the front page of each technical forum and compare the number of ZOS icons to the front page here.2 -
GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
I totally agree. Also, when people do post their complaint they not only fail to indicate accurately what it is but they drive any developer away from reading it by lacing the post with asinine comments about the poor quality of the team and how they're only interested in fixing problems if they're related to the crown store. For good measure they then add a few insulting comments about those who report that they don't have the same problems.
People would actually be far better off posting a concise, factual and objective account of their issue on the appropriate technical forum for their platform, rather than here. We know that the only attention they'll get here is from the moderators, whereas the ZOS technical team do actually respond to, and interact with, posters on the technical forums. Just check out the front page of each technical forum and compare the number of ZOS icons to the front page here.
People do post thi's stuff. It's just years of non action and "we are looking into it" response then nothing happens. People are understandably upset and it does have to do with a poor Dev team and horrible communication. I think post like that are justifiable at this point in time.10 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Maybe they want pvper yo leave the game due to bad performance and then use that newly freed power to rise the performance in pve?1 -
Zypheran✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Indeed, despite statements by ZOS on improving their communication, I feel their response is at an all time low.
Performance is deteriorating, bugs are becoming more prevalent, yet communication seems to be actually disimproving!
I think however, much salt has been thrown in the wound by the unfortunate recent declaration about how they "are killing it!"
This came as a gross kick in the face to the thousands of loyal players that feel ZOS are not listening to the overwhelming message that things are not good!All my housing builds are available on YouTube
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCf3oJ_cxuu01HmWZJZ6KK6g?view_as=subscriber
I am happy to share the EHT save files for most of my builds.8 -
SweepsAllClowns✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
I totally agree. Also, when people do post their complaint they not only fail to indicate accurately what it is but they drive any developer away from reading it by lacing the post with asinine comments about the poor quality of the team and how they're only interested in fixing problems if they're related to the crown store. For good measure they then add a few insulting comments about those who report that they don't have the same problems.
People would actually be far better off posting a concise, factual and objective account of their issue on the appropriate technical forum for their platform, rather than here. We know that the only attention they'll get here is from the moderators, whereas the ZOS technical team do actually respond to, and interact with, posters on the technical forums. Just check out the front page of each technical forum and compare the number of ZOS icons to the front page here.
The word "unplayable" is definitely overused on forum, I consider my EU account unplayable since I cannot get past the character selection screen and log in at all with any of my 15 characters, it's been like this after Wrathstone arrived so 3 and a half months now.
I've had multiple support tickets regarding my stuck account and other smaller issues, all tickets closed at this point. I try to describe my problems as clear as possible and most of the times support reads my tickets and responds eventually, they seem to be helpful and try to solve my problems. Then my issues are forwarded to the specialized team and after the normal troubleshooting advice the whole issue and my ticket is just left hanging there open. They told they are aware of the problem I have and are investigating it, how long should I wait and be patient after 3 months? Finally I clearly asked what's their plan to fix my account, I checked the ticket the next day and no answer so I just closed the ticket. After 3 months I don't much care if no one noticed my question in that time, there's been enough time to do something, on forum side the moderators are very motivated and fast to close threads and remove comments, perhaps they should concentrate more on the support side instead of forum.
I agree that more posting should be done on the appropriate technical forum for their platform, this is exactly what I did at first. The main log in fail thread on Xbox technical forum has become like some twilight zone of us few with the notorious log in problem, moderators don't much bother commenting there anymore so it's mostly for players sharing their problems and updating what's going on with their account. At the end it's just the same on which forum or support ticket players inform about their problems, if Zenimax isn't able to fix things or simply lack of motivation to do so.2 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Comment, information, acknowledgement, update, whatever you want to call it.. Or did i miss it? I did see @ZOS_RichLambert s post but i wouldnt really call that an update since, from what i understand, what hes talking about has nothing to do with console and pvp. Thats where i play so thats what im worried about, because its bad here. But please, inform me if i'm wrong.
Anyway, if i were to call this what it is then this post would be removed.. But if i had to put it as nicely as possible, performance (especially pvp) is very very very bad. And to pretend its not happening, while so many people post about it everyday, could be called MANY things but again ill call it very very very bad.
But please, let me know if i missed something about it. I couldn't find anything (besides the one post) but I would love to know if we have some real information or just the usual zenimax silence..
So you're trying to be as nice as possible by saying performance is very bad but then you title the post a performance disgrace? And on top of that you have your name as eso lags. It seems like you are more interested in antagonizing than being constructive.
lol my name has been eso lags for a couple years now. At least my GT, I think i changed my forum name a little later. But I changed it because of the awful pvp performance, a couple years ago..... Ya, still only going down hill. And if you hop into pvp, in the main camp on xbox, you will see that it is disgraceful.Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
You are wrong. People have tried for years to be constructive. I have tried for years. Putting in countless tickets and bug reports and getting nothing but silence. Posting so many clips and getting nothing but silence. And you think broken is the wrong word? Or unplayable? Dont you think when a game doesnt work as intended, or even close, that it could be considered unplayable? For me, as a small scale/solo player, its unplayable as intended. Yes I can log on and play extremely ineffectively, but that is not playing as intended. I will accomplish nothing, and only get agitated. At least in a populated campaign, as the games pvp was meant to be played.
When I need a skill to go off in pvp and it goes off 5-10 seconds late, thats unplayable. When I need to heal and my vigor is telling me the target is out of range, thats unplayable. When we are crashing or hitting load screens every 15 minutes, thats unplayable. When my health is getting desynced multiple times a day in pvp, thats unplayable. When the game looks like an picture flip book, thats unplayable. And the list goes on. All these issues combined, every day, makes it unplayable.
Since you are on xbox why dont you hop into the 30 day campaign and let me know how it goes for you.. We can compare clips and if you dont have the issues that 99% of us do then you can let me know what you are doing differently.Edited by eso_lags on June 26, 2019 10:15PM10 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Comment, information, acknowledgement, update, whatever you want to call it.. Or did i miss it? I did see @ZOS_RichLambert s post but i wouldnt really call that an update since, from what i understand, what hes talking about has nothing to do with console and pvp. Thats where i play so thats what im worried about, because its bad here. But please, inform me if i'm wrong.
Anyway, if i were to call this what it is then this post would be removed.. But if i had to put it as nicely as possible, performance (especially pvp) is very very very bad. And to pretend its not happening, while so many people post about it everyday, could be called MANY things but again ill call it very very very bad.
But please, let me know if i missed something about it. I couldn't find anything (besides the one post) but I would love to know if we have some real information or just the usual zenimax silence..
So you're trying to be as nice as possible by saying performance is very bad but then you title the post a performance disgrace? And on top of that you have your name as eso lags. It seems like you are more interested in antagonizing than being constructive.
lol my name has been eso lags for a couple years now. At least my GT, I think i changed my forum name a little later. But I changed it because of the awful pvp performance, a couple years ago..... Ya, still only going down hill. And if you hop into pvp, in the main camp on xbox, you will see that it is disgraceful.Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
You are wrong. People have tried for years to be constructive. I have tried for years. Putting in countless tickets and bug reports and getting nothing but silence. Posting so many clips and getting nothing but silence. And you think broken is the wrong word? Or unplayable? Dont you think when a game doesnt work as intended, or even close, that it could be considered unplayable? For me, as a small scale/solo player, its unplayable as intended. Yes I can log on and play extremely ineffectively, but that is not playing as intended. I will accomplish nothing, and only get agitated. At least in a populated campaign, as the games pvp was meant to be played.
When I need a skill to go off in pvp and it goes off 5-10 seconds late, thats unplayable. When I need to heal and my vigor is telling me the target is out of range, thats unplayable. When we are crashing or hitting load screens every 15 minutes, thats unplayable. When my health is getting desynced multiple times a day in pvp, thats unplayable. When the game looks like an picture flip book, thats unplayable. And the list goes on. All these issues combined, every day, makes it unplayable.
Since you are on xbox why dont you hop into the 30 day campaign and let me know how it goes for you.. We can compare clips and if you dont have the issues that 99% of us do then you can let me know what you are doing differently.
So its still playable just very badly
By deffinition to betl unplayable mean you cant play at all0 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
I totally agree. Also, when people do post their complaint they not only fail to indicate accurately what it is but they drive any developer away from reading it by lacing the post with asinine comments about the poor quality of the team and how they're only interested in fixing problems if they're related to the crown store. For good measure they then add a few insulting comments about those who report that they don't have the same problems.
People would actually be far better off posting a concise, factual and objective account of their issue on the appropriate technical forum for their platform, rather than here. We know that the only attention they'll get here is from the moderators, whereas the ZOS technical team do actually respond to, and interact with, posters on the technical forums. Just check out the front page of each technical forum and compare the number of ZOS icons to the front page here.
You are right that people should probably give the information in a better way.. The thing is we have been doing it for years and get silence. Ill never understand how some people cant understand why so many of us are fed up with the terrible communication skills from zos, lying about doing better, and never fixing anything.
And the tech support forums? For these issues? Lets get real here. Maybe 1 in a great amount of people will get helped from basic troubleshooting but the performance issues that so many of experience, especially in cyrodil, have no answer. Its not on our end. And if you think it is then idk what to tell you. I took a look at the xbox tech support section. It seems to be @ZOS_BillE doing their best to help people with basic tech support. Yes there are many posts with answers, Ill post one later with my issues and see what is said, but nothing will change. Ive tried posting there and in the alliance war section for years..
This is what you're going to get most of the time.
"The Cyrodiil PvP zone is often more resource intensive compared to other zones due to more players being in one location. You can help with loading issues by following the help article below."
"Have you tried all of the suggested troubleshooting steps found here?
If you have already tried power-cycling and opening ports, you should open a ticket with customer support for further help."
Like i said before, we've tried many times.. Of course if you venture into the alliance war section of the forums you can find gems like these..
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/323521/cyrodiil-performance-test-and-double-ap-event/p1
Featuring; As you saw in Matt’s 2017 roadmap, we are making Cyrodiil performance evaluation and fixing a priority this year. We want to make sure that Cyrodiil is a great PvP experience for everyone. Over the last year, we’ve made some good strides towards refining server performance across all campaigns, and we will continue down that path.
Never happened. Never fixed. Only got worse. And theres others. From past years, saying how they were working on it. Back then I had hope and was happy to hear it. Even now I'd be happy to hear anything about it. But its gone on for too long.9 -
eso_lags✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Comment, information, acknowledgement, update, whatever you want to call it.. Or did i miss it? I did see @ZOS_RichLambert s post but i wouldnt really call that an update since, from what i understand, what hes talking about has nothing to do with console and pvp. Thats where i play so thats what im worried about, because its bad here. But please, inform me if i'm wrong.
Anyway, if i were to call this what it is then this post would be removed.. But if i had to put it as nicely as possible, performance (especially pvp) is very very very bad. And to pretend its not happening, while so many people post about it everyday, could be called MANY things but again ill call it very very very bad.
But please, let me know if i missed something about it. I couldn't find anything (besides the one post) but I would love to know if we have some real information or just the usual zenimax silence..
So you're trying to be as nice as possible by saying performance is very bad but then you title the post a performance disgrace? And on top of that you have your name as eso lags. It seems like you are more interested in antagonizing than being constructive.
lol my name has been eso lags for a couple years now. At least my GT, I think i changed my forum name a little later. But I changed it because of the awful pvp performance, a couple years ago..... Ya, still only going down hill. And if you hop into pvp, in the main camp on xbox, you will see that it is disgraceful.Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
You are wrong. People have tried for years to be constructive. I have tried for years. Putting in countless tickets and bug reports and getting nothing but silence. Posting so many clips and getting nothing but silence. And you think broken is the wrong word? Or unplayable? Dont you think when a game doesnt work as intended, or even close, that it could be considered unplayable? For me, as a small scale/solo player, its unplayable as intended. Yes I can log on and play extremely ineffectively, but that is not playing as intended. I will accomplish nothing, and only get agitated. At least in a populated campaign, as the games pvp was meant to be played.
When I need a skill to go off in pvp and it goes off 5-10 seconds late, thats unplayable. When I need to heal and my vigor is telling me the target is out of range, thats unplayable. When we are crashing or hitting load screens every 15 minutes, thats unplayable. When my health is getting desynced multiple times a day in pvp, thats unplayable. When the game looks like an picture flip book, thats unplayable. And the list goes on. All these issues combined, every day, makes it unplayable.
Since you are on xbox why dont you hop into the 30 day campaign and let me know how it goes for you.. We can compare clips and if you dont have the issues that 99% of us do then you can let me know what you are doing differently.
So its still playable just very badly
By deffinition to betl unplayable mean you cant play at all
So you want to argue definitions? Ill call it what I like and as far as im concerned if it cannot be played how it is intended, if you cannot play even close to effectively, its unplayable.12 -
Dark_Lord_Kuro✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Comment, information, acknowledgement, update, whatever you want to call it.. Or did i miss it? I did see @ZOS_RichLambert s post but i wouldnt really call that an update since, from what i understand, what hes talking about has nothing to do with console and pvp. Thats where i play so thats what im worried about, because its bad here. But please, inform me if i'm wrong.
Anyway, if i were to call this what it is then this post would be removed.. But if i had to put it as nicely as possible, performance (especially pvp) is very very very bad. And to pretend its not happening, while so many people post about it everyday, could be called MANY things but again ill call it very very very bad.
But please, let me know if i missed something about it. I couldn't find anything (besides the one post) but I would love to know if we have some real information or just the usual zenimax silence..
So you're trying to be as nice as possible by saying performance is very bad but then you title the post a performance disgrace? And on top of that you have your name as eso lags. It seems like you are more interested in antagonizing than being constructive.
lol my name has been eso lags for a couple years now. At least my GT, I think i changed my forum name a little later. But I changed it because of the awful pvp performance, a couple years ago..... Ya, still only going down hill. And if you hop into pvp, in the main camp on xbox, you will see that it is disgraceful.Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
You are wrong. People have tried for years to be constructive. I have tried for years. Putting in countless tickets and bug reports and getting nothing but silence. Posting so many clips and getting nothing but silence. And you think broken is the wrong word? Or unplayable? Dont you think when a game doesnt work as intended, or even close, that it could be considered unplayable? For me, as a small scale/solo player, its unplayable as intended. Yes I can log on and play extremely ineffectively, but that is not playing as intended. I will accomplish nothing, and only get agitated. At least in a populated campaign, as the games pvp was meant to be played.
When I need a skill to go off in pvp and it goes off 5-10 seconds late, thats unplayable. When I need to heal and my vigor is telling me the target is out of range, thats unplayable. When we are crashing or hitting load screens every 15 minutes, thats unplayable. When my health is getting desynced multiple times a day in pvp, thats unplayable. When the game looks like an picture flip book, thats unplayable. And the list goes on. All these issues combined, every day, makes it unplayable.
Since you are on xbox why dont you hop into the 30 day campaign and let me know how it goes for you.. We can compare clips and if you dont have the issues that 99% of us do then you can let me know what you are doing differently.
So its still playable just very badly
By deffinition to betl unplayable mean you cant play at all
So you want to argue definitions? Ill call it what I like and as far as im concerned if it cannot be played how it is intended, if you cannot play even close to effectively, its unplayable.
You can call it what you want it doesnt make it true though
Everything isnt black or white but more of a gray scale
But i agree they need to do something about the performance
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GhostofDatthaw✭✭✭✭✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Comment, information, acknowledgement, update, whatever you want to call it.. Or did i miss it? I did see @ZOS_RichLambert s post but i wouldnt really call that an update since, from what i understand, what hes talking about has nothing to do with console and pvp. Thats where i play so thats what im worried about, because its bad here. But please, inform me if i'm wrong.
Anyway, if i were to call this what it is then this post would be removed.. But if i had to put it as nicely as possible, performance (especially pvp) is very very very bad. And to pretend its not happening, while so many people post about it everyday, could be called MANY things but again ill call it very very very bad.
But please, let me know if i missed something about it. I couldn't find anything (besides the one post) but I would love to know if we have some real information or just the usual zenimax silence..
So you're trying to be as nice as possible by saying performance is very bad but then you title the post a performance disgrace? And on top of that you have your name as eso lags. It seems like you are more interested in antagonizing than being constructive.
lol my name has been eso lags for a couple years now. At least my GT, I think i changed my forum name a little later. But I changed it because of the awful pvp performance, a couple years ago..... Ya, still only going down hill. And if you hop into pvp, in the main camp on xbox, you will see that it is disgraceful.Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
Part of the problem is that people are simply not giving constructive feedback that accurately describes what they are experiencing. There is hyperbolic over use of terms like "broken" and "unplayable" when neither of those is actually the case, for example. Furthermore, such language doesn't describe the problem in a way that helps the developers understand what the specific issue actually is. Put another way, people aren't being objective in describing what is going on, leading to subjective interpretations of the situation that are going to differ widely. This, on top of the very real possibility that some users are simply not experiencing issues. I don't envy the developers having to sort through this. We could do them all a favor by being more constructive and doing less generalized whining, yes?
You are wrong. People have tried for years to be constructive. I have tried for years. Putting in countless tickets and bug reports and getting nothing but silence. Posting so many clips and getting nothing but silence. And you think broken is the wrong word? Or unplayable? Dont you think when a game doesnt work as intended, or even close, that it could be considered unplayable? For me, as a small scale/solo player, its unplayable as intended. Yes I can log on and play extremely ineffectively, but that is not playing as intended. I will accomplish nothing, and only get agitated. At least in a populated campaign, as the games pvp was meant to be played.
When I need a skill to go off in pvp and it goes off 5-10 seconds late, thats unplayable. When I need to heal and my vigor is telling me the target is out of range, thats unplayable. When we are crashing or hitting load screens every 15 minutes, thats unplayable. When my health is getting desynced multiple times a day in pvp, thats unplayable. When the game looks like an picture flip book, thats unplayable. And the list goes on. All these issues combined, every day, makes it unplayable.
Since you are on xbox why dont you hop into the 30 day campaign and let me know how it goes for you.. We can compare clips and if you dont have the issues that 99% of us do then you can let me know what you are doing differently.
So its still playable just very badly
By deffinition to betl unplayable mean you cant play at all
So you want to argue definitions? Ill call it what I like and as far as im concerned if it cannot be played how it is intended, if you cannot play even close to effectively, its unplayable.
You can call it what you want it doesnt make it true though
Everything isnt black or white but more of a gray scale
But i agree they need to do something about the performance
I dot know what game yall play. But when I die because my skills don't fire or my bars don't swap or just I freeze. It's unplayable imo. I don't mind being killed if I do something stupid or I am outplayed. But death by lag to me = unplayable14 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Yeah I hear console is worse then pc performance wise
While myself has not really seen any issues overall, (abit of lag in sieges in cryodill during peak hours) and a while back we had a day where the performance was horrific I hear people on all platforms have had huge issues.
They’ve made several addresses they are aware and trying to amend the situation. But I’d imagine it’s not small task.
Megaservers have never been stable in MMORPGs.
Large world pvp has never been stable in MMORPGs. And before someone brings up GW2, the game has a lot less players then eso by quite a margin and they intentionally made the game graphically low to uphold WPVP,
These two combined lead to a huge issue, there’s a reason a lot of mainstream games gutted their world pvp and replaced it with a variety of instanced pvp.
Their easiest fix is likely to remove imperial city and cryodill, and replace it with instanced pvp.
As long as they provide 2v2 3v3 and 5v5 arenas, large scale pvp battles like 20v20 and develope CP modes for them and BGs it will prolly appease most players.
WoW have mega server 10 times the ESO population and the last expension took literaly 5mins b4 the server went up and you could play with no lag right on.4 -
Trensharo✭✭✭ESO on FB: "Oh we just love our community! The best in the gaming industry!"
ESO on forums: *crickets*
Ugh, they all say that.
GW2 always say they have the best community, too, lol.
Blizzard don't, but that's only because it would be so patently untrue that even they wouldn't try it.
Also, I think they employ most of the trolls, sooner or later and seem to take a perverse pride in them being pretty unpleasant.
The community in this game isn't any better. In fact, I'd argue it's worse than WoW at this point, as most of the WoW PvP kiddles have migrated from there to here.
Community is not a strong suit of this game. Chat in towns is literlaly unreadable unless Political Flaming and Sexual Inuendo are you activities or choice.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
I have really bad performance in PvP (prime time). Even PvE is lagging.
Is it my ISP? No, i don't think it is. I have the fastest internet Ziggo has to offer (since not long ago 500/40 Mbit/s download/upload and before that 250/25.)
Ziggo is trustworthy, i always have connection and other games do not have lag. I am pretty sure it's not my internet.
Is it my PC? No i doubt that either. I have a GTX 1650 6 gb from Nvidia and an i7-6700K processor (it's a bit old, 4 years) and 24 gb of ram
I can run Witcher 3 on highest settings and also all other games i play. Fps is always good,, but even if i put ESO on low, it just lags and feels sluggish. That, and then you have weapon swapping not working, heavy attacks bugging out and in PvP just nothing works as it did in 2014. On release the game might not have been perfect, but at least my skills fired in 500vs500vs500 battles. Now it just is crap in 1 vs 1 vs 1.
At least this is my experience. Some say the don't have any issues. But as i read forums a lot do experience the same stuff. Even on consoles.
I've seen plenty of videos on bad performance. Glitches, bugs, overall weirdness, like this...
https://youtu.be/B3YPZJahBb4
Abilities not working, the slide show when you travel to wayshrines...
https://youtu.be/hVFgFaZ8Pr0
You get it.
What I haven't EVER seen?
I've never seen a video of a massive zerg vs. zerg fight in Cyrodiil that didn't have any lag, even though some players claim they've never experienced any issues in such situations.
I'd love to see it once, just to see what it looks like.
So, to those saying you don't have issues, please, show a recent video (meaning in Elsweyr) of your massive battle without lag. Enough of just claiming it...show it. I'm sure the rest of us would love to know what it looks like.
Until then, I'm just of the opinion you're a liar.6 -
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✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
I have really bad performance in PvP (prime time). Even PvE is lagging.
Is it my ISP? No, i don't think it is. I have the fastest internet Ziggo has to offer (since not long ago 500/40 Mbit/s download/upload and before that 250/25.)
Ziggo is trustworthy, i always have connection and other games do not have lag. I am pretty sure it's not my internet.
Is it my PC? No i doubt that either. I have a GTX 1650 6 gb from Nvidia and an i7-6700K processor (it's a bit old, 4 years) and 24 gb of ram
I can run Witcher 3 on highest settings and also all other games i play. Fps is always good,, but even if i put ESO on low, it just lags and feels sluggish. That, and then you have weapon swapping not working, heavy attacks bugging out and in PvP just nothing works as it did in 2014. On release the game might not have been perfect, but at least my skills fired in 500vs500vs500 battles. Now it just is crap in 1 vs 1 vs 1.
At least this is my experience. Some say the don't have any issues. But as i read forums a lot do experience the same stuff. Even on consoles.
I've seen plenty of videos on bad performance. Glitches, bugs, overall weirdness, like this...https://youtu.be/B3YPZJahBb4
Abilities not working, the slide show when you travel to wayshrines...https://youtu.be/hVFgFaZ8Pr0
You get it.
What I haven't EVER seen?
I've never seen a video of a massive zerg vs. zerg fight in Cyrodiil that didn't have any lag, even though some players claim they've never experienced any issues in such situations.
I'd love to see it once, just to see what it looks like.
So, to those saying you don't have issues, please, show a recent video (meaning in Elsweyr) of your massive battle without lag. Enough of just claiming it...show it. I'm sure the rest of us would love to know what it looks like.
Until then, I'm just of the opinion you're a liar.
Now that you mention it, neither have I. At least not one from the last 4 years.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hey , they hire very expensive artists to paint those loading screens . They are the best loading screen paintings ever .Did you like that comment ZoS ? For just 99gems a day this one could post more . *rubs paws together*Edited by Rohamad_Ali on July 24, 2019 5:07AM0 -
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✭✭GeorgeBlack wrote: »
Ya true but there was a while where nearly every other post was about performance. But people give up when they realize zos is ignoring them and doesnt care. Apparently.
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✭I think a lot of former WoW-players remember the fun of the revisit of the Southshore BG for 1 week...Normally 2 teams consisting of 40 people fight in a large map. This was just 40vs40 with about 20 yards in between. Lag was horrible. I dont think the lag issues and stuff will be ever fixed. Simply due the fact that there are so many things to consider: from serverside lag, to the internet-connection / rig on the consumer side. And you cant force everyone to use the same setup, like you can with a console.Huyen Shadowpaw, dedicated nightblade tank - PS4 (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, nightblade dps - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Lightpaw, templar healer - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, necromancer dps - PC EU (Retired)
Huyen Swiftpaw, dragonknight (no defined role yet)
"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again. Only this time, more wisely" - Uncle Iroh0 -
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✭Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »Maybe they want pvper yo leave the game due to bad performance and then use that newly freed power to rise the performance in pve?
Maybe they want pvper High CP players to leave the game due to bad performance and then use that newly freed power to rise the performance in pve for new players?
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Mancombe_Nosehair✭✭✭✭✭I should imagine that they want fewer eu players; alienating the PvP players might be a way to do it, I guess.1
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✭✭What changed since Elsweyr? Did they fix something?
They claimed they 'fixed' the teleporting dead NPCs.
I don't think they tested it though, before releasing the 'fix' and claiming it worked.
For those of you keeping score at home: It doesn't.The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.3 -
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✭Don't worry guys, they said they would have a performance fix in early Q1 of next year. (looks at calendar and realizes that it's July)....Oh :'(
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VikingBerserker✭✭✭Knootewoot wrote: »I don't understand why some people have really crap performance and some claim they have not.
I have really bad performance in PvP (prime time). Even PvE is lagging.
Is it my ISP? No, i don't think it is. I have the fastest internet Ziggo has to offer (since not long ago 500/40 Mbit/s download/upload and before that 250/25.)
Ziggo is trustworthy, i always have connection and other games do not have lag. I am pretty sure it's not my internet.
Is it my PC? No i doubt that either. I have a GTX 1650 6 gb from Nvidia and an i7-6700K processor (it's a bit old, 4 years) and 24 gb of ram
I can run Witcher 3 on highest settings and also all other games i play. Fps is always good,, but even if i put ESO on low, it just lags and feels sluggish. That, and then you have weapon swapping not working, heavy attacks bugging out and in PvP just nothing works as it did in 2014. On release the game might not have been perfect, but at least my skills fired in 500vs500vs500 battles. Now it just is crap in 1 vs 1 vs 1.
At least this is my experience. Some say the don't have any issues. But as i read forums a lot do experience the same stuff. Even on consoles.
I've played for years with zero issues, since elsweyr pve, bgs, and cyro have been laggy and unstable. The newest issue being wonky unsynced sound, and aoe animations not appearing while during overland content.1 -
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It's fine .. they'll fix this and many other issues once they've figured out how to monetize the fixes.MyKillv2.0 wrote: »Don't worry guys, they said they would have a performance fix in early Q1 of next year. (looks at calendar and realizes that it's July)....Oh :'(1
https://youtu.be/sI1AQPzPpx4