PSA - STOP THE WEREWOLF/VAMPIRE GRIEIFING - Want to be a were/vamp? Think again!

ItsMeToo · April 2014

I am the House Mother of House Nyssara on the NA server. We do not and will not sell Vampire bites. If any of my House members sell bites and I find out about it with proof, Mother will do something about it. Up to and including removal from my House. We don't promise bites to join the House, but bites will and do happed between Family members first. We expect a long-term commitment to our Family and not just joining to get bitten then leave.

I roll-play a vampire that hates mutts, (aka werewolves), see my back-story about Nyssara Nor on our website. When I send out my Family to kill mutts, they will even be killing the mutt spawns. I told them to use better judgment if someone is waiting to get infected. They should wait if asked, then kill the mutts when people leave. Killing mutts is just part of our roll-playing and not meant to case grief to our alliances.

Mother has spoken… fades into the shadows…

Johnny_NO_skillz · April 2014

ItsMeToo wrote: »

I told them to use better judgment if someone is waiting to get infected.

Uh-huh... I'm sure they listen 100% of the time, and never make misjudgments too, right?

By the way - I've never ONCE heard of the spawns existing with "no one else around"...

Calling shenanigans on this.

Maybe your guild is on the straight and narrow, but honestly there are too many werewolf/vampire guilds ruining it for the other side.

RP or not, not everyone asked to be involved in your game.

bloodenragedb14_ESO · April 2014

i have sold my bite before, but i dont kill the vamps just for this purpose. i can only turn once a week. i do give away the info on where i got bit for free to those that didnt get my bite but still pm'ed me.

you shouldnt blame people for wanting to sell the bites, you should however blame those that dont follow through with the transaction. my first bite went for 15k, 1k upfront, the person was so moved by my honesty, i got 16k out of the deal, even when i tried to say i already got 1k of it. i followed up a few pm's to make sure she got into the crypt too.

for that matter, ill tell you where i got bit if you message me. i would post it here but im sure those douchy guilds are reading this thread, waiting on more spawn location info.

you should reallllly think about becoming a vamp though, the perks are awsome, but the fire weakness is a real pain, having 50% across all stages is a bit stupid to me, stage one should be 25% if you ask me, increasing to 50 at stage 4.

(its unlikely ill sell my bite again, i just needed the 15k for a respec after i botched my first one up something bad)

squshy7 · April 2014

Colbane wrote: »

squshy7 wrote: »

Colbane wrote: »

Oh boy. This is silly stuff. If I see it, I'll report it immediately. Personally, I don't want to be infected. Bad for PVP business. Still, its wrong. I can't imagine any reason for people to camp them in order to prevent others from accessing the monsters. I mean, is it fun? Don't you griefers get bored? I would rather be leveling, getting loot, or for me, kicking some tail in PVP. I encourage you tough guys camping the monsters to come play some PVP and let's see what you are made of.

This view about vampires in PvP is but one of many reasons why I stated what I did above.

I certainly didn't get my view from reading forum posts. I don't like anything that gives a penalty when I play PVP. From what I understand of the infection mechanics, poison and silver weakness, etc... Since I'm new to the game it isn't something I want to throw in the mix to figure out how to fix, so to say?

And that's fine. But understand that everything comes with a weakness, or penalty; that's not unique to the vampire skill line.

So you want to be a mostly light armor caster? Fine, you're squishy. Heavy armor DK juggernaut? Cool, your magicka regen is average. Are there ways to overcome these inherent deficiencies in the choices that we make, or at least partially mitigate them? Of course there are, just as with being a vampire. It's not about "fixing" anything; or if it is, then realize you are always fixing something about your build. Vamps? The fire damage can be completely mitigated with enchantments. Silver bolt? Something you just have to live with. Much like the others though.

That light armor caster can really pump out their skill lines, and that heavy armor DK can take a beating, their drawbacks notwithstanding. So too can my vampire have a 50% damage mitigation at low health regardless of my armor, sneak as fast as people run (or sprint if you're a NB vamp), and pump out a 80 Ult cost AOE damage/self heal.

Everything is a give and take, but the reigning opinion about vamps is that it is only a give, and that the take isn't worth it, which is just an ignorant opinion. That's why we work pretty actively to educate people.

It's also why it would be a bad thing if the masses who all realllly want to be vampires, just for the sake of being one, can do so easily without knowing what they are jumping in to. I fear the outcries about it, and what changes to the vamp line might follow if ZOS is forced to make an adjustment for them. That's one perspective of the vampire population control, and it's not a money grab.

jedensuscg · April 2014

Everyone defending the griefers here are either
A: To ignorant to read and understand what is going on.
B: Part of the scammer and griefer guilds doing this.

Frankly, this is ***. I run up, see a vampire and start fighting it hoping to get bitten, and 12 *** from the same guild run up, kill the vampire and then proceed to kill every single vampire I try to get bitten by, all the while spamming that THEY will bite me for 30K gold. It's griefing, scamming and has no place.

If you disagree and think this is acceptable, then you are just as bad as the scum.

And the "just log out" crap is even MORE ignorant. i should not have to spam logouts just to bypass some *** griefers. Why am I punished when the griefers profit?

Besides I have to do enough logging out spam just to get quests to work.

I am all for selling bites for whatever profit you want. That is fine. it is FORCING players to have to buy bites from you because you went out of your way to make sure they COULD NOT do it themselves, that is ***.

Morbias83 · April 2014

I can't believe people are defending this behavior and comparing it to being Emperor. I imagine they haven't actually read this thread. The griefers in question are not only charging exorbitant prices for bites from themselves. They are stopping players from getting bitten by npc mobs. This is the problem here. If you are a vampire/ww and want to charge IN-GAME gold for your bite. That is every bit your right. But NO-ONE has the right to intentionally block you from content.

ItsMeToo · April 2014

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

ItsMeToo wrote: »

I told them to use better judgment if someone is waiting to get infected.

Uh-huh... I'm sure they listen 100% of the time, and never make misjudgments too, right?

By the way - I've never ONCE heard of the spawns existing with "no one else around"...

Calling shenanigans on this.

Maybe your guild is on the straight and narrow, but honestly there are too many werewolf/vampire guilds ruining it for the other side.

RP or not, not everyone asked to be involved in your game.

No cause for your rant and inferring that I'm a liar. Just like in real life everyone has the free agency to do what they want when allowed. I, as a guild leader, can just set guidelines for members to follow and when they don't follow those guidelines I will do something about it, if there is proof.

You play the game the way you want to play it and we'll do the same. No need for the hate.

Intrepid42 · April 2014

This thread is incredibly surreal.

Teriosc · April 2014

Something very wrong with topic starter. He think some guilds farm all werewolfes in Tamriel on all server planes/instances just for starter was not bitten....

Teriosc · April 2014

jedensuscg wrote: »

Frankly, this is ***. I run up, see a vampire and start fighting it hoping to get bitten, and 12 *** from the same guild run up, kill the vampire and then proceed to kill every single vampire I try to get bitten by, all the while spamming that THEY will bite me for 30K gold. It's griefing, scamming and has no place.

If you disagree and think this is acceptable, then you are just as bad as the scum.

Perhabs you wasnt in WoW - its not againts MMO rules

And tell this guys "Keep up with your good work, kind sir! Im very scared for being bitten and afraid vampires. thanks for you help!"
No one want work for free

Or just be quicker & trickier, than others

As for myself.... go to check fire spell and silver arrows, to remove this menace from face of Tamriel

Kenny_McCormick · April 2014

Teriosc wrote: »

jedensuscg wrote: »

Frankly, this is ***. I run up, see a vampire and start fighting it hoping to get bitten, and 12 *** from the same guild run up, kill the vampire and then proceed to kill every single vampire I try to get bitten by, all the while spamming that THEY will bite me for 30K gold. It's griefing, scamming and has no place.

If you disagree and think this is acceptable, then you are just as bad as the scum.

Perhabs you wasnt in WoW - its not againts MMO rules
And tell this guys "Keep up with your good work, kind sir! Im very scared for being bitten and afraid vampires. thanks for you help!"
No one want work for free Or just be quicker & trickier, than others

As for myself.... go to check fire spell and silver arrows, to remove this menace from face of Tamriel

dont mean to sound rude...but obvious troll...obvious? i bet YOU are one of those griefers.......thats just what i think..........it may not be against MMO Rules...IT IS however suspendable and bannable.....as it is still considered HARRASSMENT! u may think other wise but it is........how about this...what if there was an item u really wanted....it has a really long spawn time.......and another player sits there and keeps nabbing it before u do.......OR if it was say ANYTHING u wanted.......only to be not able to get it due to someone camping there and taking it so no one else can.........ok so lets say u see a slice of bacon laying on the counter....u go up to it BUT WAIT! before u can grab it..another person runs up and snatches it from u? how the hell would u feel then hu? ud feel pretty damn dissapointed and pissed off wouldnt u? well....thats how others feel and this crap is NOT allowed...may not be against MMO RULES it is however bannable and the GMs will ban or suspend u if u are reported for it.........KENNY HAS SPOKEN!!!

esogamer2014 · April 2014

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

Hello guys - wanted to drop a line at ya real quick about some despicable shiz I just heard.

Apparently there are guilds forming now, that will camp Werewolf/Vampire spawn sites, killing off the beasts ONLY to prevent other players from getting bit.

They keep the mobs for themselves so when a player wants to become one, they can EXPLOIT the player for inordinate amounts of money. I've seen bites sell for 20k all the way up to 40k... there is even talk of these guilds using paypal accounts for people to pay them.

DON'T DO THIS - THEY WILL SCAM YOU
I REPEAT IT IS A SCAM

Selling bites is NOT ILLEGAL in the game, but there is no system to ensure you will be bitten.

ZENIMAX - Stop these low-life griefers - I am NOT paying $15 a month to pay a scammer in game to exploit a skill tree that should be open FOR ALL PLAYERS.

Any thoughts?

You HEARD? So what you mean is you heard gossip? Unless it's happened to you posting or perpetuating gossip is poor form and wastes peoples time.
Selling bites is not illegal. Camping an area to keep it spawn free is hindering game play and could be construed as unfair yes. You can go to the areas at different times, there is more than one area too.

Monsoon · April 2014

I think I got it...people who are griefing the spawns are actually role playing a *** character...I get it now. Makes sense.

Intrepid42 · April 2014

They're not attacking players between quest hubs. They're not dragging giants or world bosses around. They're not ninja looting chests. They're not kill-stealing world bosses.

They are, apparently, maliciously preventing monsters from biting player characters. In the Developer's own words from the Game Guide, "Save the world from the evil machinations of the Daedric Prince Molag Bal ...". In Elder Scrolls lore, Vampirism is a creation of Molag Bal. It's hilarious.

ItsMeToo · April 2014

Did someone say bacon. mmmmmmmm

stuartoatleyeb17_ESO · April 2014

Funny thing is, there's 2 sets of people misusing the game mechanic here.

Is camping the spawns to prevent other people getting the bite without paying for it right, no! The long term effect of this will be to make vamp/ww rarer than they were designed to be

Is letting the mob bite you and then running away from it so it can bite everyone else who wants it right? no! The long term effect of this is to make vamp/ww more common than they were designed to be.

being a ww/vamp was meant to be a fairly rare thing... why do you think the cooldown on the bite ability is so long, and that it's rare spawns that cause it?

Ironically, between the 2 sets of people misusing the mechanism, the rarity is probably going to end up at about the level the designers were aiming for

Bigpapa1278 · April 2014

I had gone to a few spawn sites earlier and everyone had at least 100 mobbers keeping people from getting bit. I really hope somebody looks into this and fixes it. Maybe keep the were wolves or vampires from being killed by people already infected.

loneknight5ub17_ESO · April 2014

This is going to be one of those issues that festers and then all of a sudden they will drop the ban hammer on the guilty parties. I have no interest in being a vampire or werewolf at this point so it is a non issue for me. However if a group is acting this way I find it distasteful.

Aenima_pt · April 2014

ZOS_TristanK wrote: »

Hi there, folks. Thank you for letting us know. We will investigate exactly what's happening here based on reports and tickets that you submit. In order to help us investigate more quickly, when you see an incident, please include the phrase "werewolf/vampire camping" in your ticket.

All said... just report them.

Ryvyr · April 2014

Internet anonymity seems the culprit combined with factoring the Human Condition.

I vehemently hope Vampires and Werewolves are *not* nerfed or altered *purely* in response to these honorless tactics, rather than legitimate game balancing and such.

*edit on *not* nerfed rather than nerfed, rather irksome typo*

Socratic · April 2014

DMuehlhausen wrote: »

Johnny_NO_skillz wrote: »

Hello guys - wanted to drop a line at ya real quick about some despicable shiz I just heard.

Apparently there are guilds forming now, that will camp Werewolf/Vampire spawn sites, killing off the beasts ONLY to prevent other players from getting bit.

They keep the mobs for themselves so when a player wants to become one, they can EXPLOIT the player for inordinate amounts of money. I've seen bites sell for 20k all the way up to 40k... there is even talk of these guilds using paypal accounts for people to pay them.

DON'T DO THIS - THEY WILL SCAM YOU
I REPEAT IT IS A SCAM

Selling bites is NOT ILLEGAL in the game, but there is no system to ensure you will be bitten.

ZENIMAX - Stop these low-life griefers - I am NOT paying $15 a month to pay a jerk-off in game to exploit a skill tree that should be open FOR ALL PLAYERS.

Any thoughts?

Not be an jerk about it, but you know that part right next to the M-Rate that says Online experiences may change? Yeah that covers them for the jerk offs. You are always going to get these type of *** in games like this.

People say well just don't pay them..that's never going to happen and we all know it. ZOS won't do anything about it, other than well be there before they get their for the day.

Not to be a jerk about it either, but they can't claim liable clause as it was written for the game developers discretion of subjectivity.

Ryskim · April 2014

If you look closely, ZOS already answered in the first page. They are looking into it, officially. I think they didnt close this thread because they want to study this issue in a more detailed way.

In my opinion, the best option would be an instanced dungeon, soloable, part of an optional quest line where you are given the option to become a Vampire or not. Same goes to Werewolf.

It would be something like the Dawnguard DLC for Skyrim. Pretty much like it.

Another option would be make this feat available only in PVP areas. This way you could side with friends to wipe out the camping forces. Obviously it would have to be a Free-for-all pvp area, where any player outside your group would be killable (even your own faction).

Laplace · April 2014

They can't camp every phase. Just keep logging in and out until you found one where they aren't at.

cheeser123 · April 2014

Laplace wrote: »

They can't camp every phase. Just keep logging in and out until you found one where they aren't at.

Quick Zenimax, hire this guy!!

Psychic_Kitty · April 2014

CrimsonThomas wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

It is the playerbase that undermines it.

It's also the tester's job to find these exploits and solve them before they become a real problem post-release.

The problem was that they wanted testers to only play on specific days for specific time periods....in addition they wanted testers to test specific functions. If you did bring up other things not related to the specific focus for that session....it kind of got ignored.

They also ignored any posts about the 5 skill system they used...and how limited the night blade stealth is...or how limited the taunt power is.

Bigpapa1278 · April 2014

Response By Email (Michael) (04/14/2014 10:06 AM)
Good Afternoon,
Lets be honest that really does suck. We are working on ways to adjust that type of farming. I myself haven't gotten it yet for reasons like that. For now thats really the only way but keep in mind as long as you are there when they spawn and such u do have a equal chance of getting attacked and such. Also keep in mind people can't camp ALL the points at once people just tend to group up and not look for some of the other spots. Just keep an eye open for those other spots.

Michael aka "Tanks your welcome"
The Elder Scrolls Online Team

This is the response I got from one of they're guys. At least they're trying to fix it!!!!

Publius_Scipio · April 2014

I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I FIND RIDICULOUS ABOUT THIS! The fact that those that are involved in this virtual extortion boldly feel it has to remain that way! The game was launched the way it was launched and you can pull this off currently. That's fine, doesn't mean ZOS can't decide to change how things work after seeing how things turn out.

What are you really defending? That you get gold for bites or that ZOS can't make tweaks to how things work after launch?

Victoria_Marquis · April 2014

Zenimax & Bethesda,

Please Start Banning accounts and IP address, of anyone who kills the NPC WW/Vamp, or that is spamming in chat & offering a bite for Gold!!

We sat there for 5 hours waiting for the werewolf NPC to spawn, and when it did, we did not even see it there was a huge mob there and they all attacked and killed it in seconds, Then started spamming the chat with werewolf for sale anywhere from 15k gold up to 200k gold.

That was on the Ebonheart Pact side in The Rift areas.

ESO should have a GM standing there in all Spawn areas, and watch the chat, if they see bite for money offers they should ban those accounts & IP, also until they make the NPC unable to be killable, anyone who kills the NPC, account and IP should be ban.

My wife and I want to become werewolf's for role playing purposes, the 60 seconds of werewolf time is a bit of a downer after 1000 Ultimate build up, and the skill tree is broken and you only get two skills, and the 50% poison debuff, the stuck in crouching animation with the pounce attack. all of this makes the werewolf un-useful for combat, but still we want to be werewolf's and role play we are stalking and running around in the woods, and just doing our personal thing.

It would be nice to be able to walk up to any werewolf get bit do the quest and run off and do our thing. It would also be nice to have an anytime non-combat transformation so us role players can just run around in werewolf form.

But for now just make the NPC un-killable, and fix the bugs, and ban the gold exploiters extortionists.
Thank you for your time. ╰დ*༺♥༻*დ╯

Jaxom · April 2014

I want to give some helpful advice. If you are veteran rank and farming for bites in your own faction, you aren't thinking outside the box. Go to the veteran zone where the mobs spawn and you won't find 100's of people camping it. It will probably be empty at this point.

For those who aren't veteran rank yet, as people have said multiple times, don't go to the 2 spots that are widely known. I found my bite way off the beaten path in Reaper's March with no one in sight. They are ALL over the zone, not just around Dune. Go explore. It's really not as hard as people are making it out to be. The problem is people get into the mob mentality and feel entitled. Took me 10 nights to get it. It's just a little bit of effort.

Deddarus · April 2014

my suggestions on this...

1. add these mobs to cyrodill (if they arent there already) 12 ppl camping the spawn in a no-pvp zone is a problem, 12 ppl camping the spawn in a pvp area is a bloodstain on the ground

2. add a skill to each skilltree at master level that lets players infect players. hell, even tie in some cool mechanics such as making a passive or transformed duration increase based on the number of players within a 'bloodline' and have the benefit decrease when a member of the bloodline is killed (the closer to the 'source' the more it decreases)

as a result, a vampire, could create a vast horde of vampires that grow stronger as their numbers increase. but kill the original and they all get weakened

could be cool, especially if you go up against a known vampire guild in pvp... suddenly the guildmaster becomes the primary target

ofc i havent looked into the vamp/ww lines much so half this could already be in, or i could be talking utter bollox, ofc