I dislike the tank meta as well but nerfing everything to oblivion is not the answer. Dks are really one of the most balanced classes atm . The only class that performs a lot better than everything else is magsorc. It blows my mind how the devs fail to bring them on par with other classes for so long.
What i am worried they will do is they will nerf heavy armor to being useless and buff medium armor so we will be in this crazy wheel repeating ourselves. Oh nerf HA buff MA, then nerf MA buff HA.
The reason HA is meta right now is because of the stupidly op burst some classes can achieve. If you run MA in bgs , staying alive becomes next to impossible against good players and you are pretty much locked to dedicating one of your sets to resists.
Magsorcs for example are really out of hand this patch , they can melt people in seconds, dk or not. All of their counters were nerfed to the ground . If anything i am annoyed at zos for :
1) Releasing new classes before bringing the old ones in line
2) Releasing Necromancer , a class full of bugs, without fixing it
3) Ignoring feedback on old classes , and yet catering to NBs and MagSorcs (It seems these are the only 2 classes that manage to get a response from the devs)
4) Which brings me to my next point. Listening to crying people who are bad at the game and have no understanding of more than 1 class. Oblivion damage was nerfed to being useless just because of Sorcs and no one can say otherwise. Dizzy swing was nerfed to being meh just because of crying people.
5) Stamplars and Stamsorcs fell behind so bad, i don't even bother playing mine atm.
6) Magsorcs got an actual buff this patch (spare the shield nerf crying, it was a fix, and it does not affect any of the decent pvp players to begin with). The class that needed it the less got a buff really...
Dk is the last class you should be crying about my man , just saying.
heavy armor needs to be rendered completely useless as snb, only for pve. At that point youd actually have to learn how to play the game correctly in pvp
Ragnarock41 wrote: »I would gladly take a nerf to heavy armor stamDK, If they gave me back the old medium armor Dk where I could wrecking blow+leap to two shot kill those light armor squishies.
Nerf Dk's please they're are ruining pvp with snb and heavy, also they re the only class that can face tank 1vx atm which speaks volumes in itself!
1) I would suggest reworking passives/abilities in snb 1st and nerfing heavy armor as a whole before any direct nerfs because this is cancer to pvp but zos seems to not care!
2) they benefit from heavy the most and build unkillable toons in pvp that serve no purpose to pvp or they build for damage and can have near 10k health more then strict dps classes and still overshadow/out perform their roles 1v1, this speaks volumes in its self!
3) They have two unDodgeables too many, that I can think of off the top of my head, this pretty much guarantees a kill in any outnumbered situation near 75% to 100% of the time, This would be Dragon Leap, currently the best ult in game, and fossilize. your only option is to block but if you stand still while getting zerged we all know what happens and in lag you're near screwed every time as fossilize. Fossilize is literally the same thing as old rune cage just a smaller radius but no one ever wants to acknowledge this!
4) zos seems to screw strict damage classes in pvp out of there diversity sorcs and nbs.
Sorc the list of nerfs is unfathomable, literally every ability, EVERY on sorc has been nerfed at one point in time in this game, then you give us pets to try make us happy, its literally a disgrace to the class and long time vets and to pvp as a whole!
Medium armor nb just got absolutely shafted this patch, major fracture, incap defile, the list goes on, last patch you screwed shuffle
dk's have absolutely no perspective when it comes to they're privilege in this game, they're the only class that utilize tank meta while over performing 1v1 and in outnumbered situations atm. you Buff wings making them better than shuffle several patches ago= MAJOR BUFF, Buff dragon leap as if it needs any buffing? =HUGE BUFF
zos literally wants everyone getting chained from zergs and dragon leaped while unable to counter it!
usmguy1234 wrote: »Nerf Dk's please they're are ruining pvp with snb and heavy, also they re the only class that can face tank 1vx atm which speaks volumes in itself!
1) I would suggest reworking passives/abilities in snb 1st and nerfing heavy armor as a whole before any direct nerfs because this is cancer to pvp but zos seems to not care!
2) they benefit from heavy the most and build unkillable toons in pvp that serve no purpose to pvp or they build for damage and can have near 10k health more then strict dps classes and still overshadow/out perform their roles 1v1, this speaks volumes in its self!
3) They have two unDodgeables too many, that I can think of off the top of my head, this pretty much guarantees a kill in any outnumbered situation near 75% to 100% of the time, This would be Dragon Leap, currently the best ult in game, and fossilize. your only option is to block but if you stand still while getting zerged we all know what happens and in lag you're near screwed every time as fossilize. Fossilize is literally the same thing as old rune cage just a smaller radius but no one ever wants to acknowledge this!
4) zos seems to screw strict damage classes in pvp out of there diversity sorcs and nbs.
Sorc the list of nerfs is unfathomable, literally every ability, EVERY on sorc has been nerfed at one point in time in this game, then you give us pets to try make us happy, its literally a disgrace to the class and long time vets and to pvp as a whole!
Medium armor nb just got absolutely shafted this patch, major fracture, incap defile, the list goes on, last patch you screwed shuffle
dk's have absolutely no perspective when it comes to they're privilege in this game, they're the only class that utilize tank meta while over performing 1v1 and in outnumbered situations atm. you Buff wings making them better than shuffle several patches ago= MAJOR BUFF, Buff dragon leap as if it needs any buffing? =HUGE BUFF
zos literally wants everyone getting chained from zergs and dragon leaped while unable to counter it!
Remove major mending and they'd basically become more manageable. Wings mitigation could come down a spec too. 80% mitigation from an already inherently tanky class is just disgusting.
But i never understand the bunny hopping tho... is it something to do with weaving or avoiding AoE or whatever? Why u jump?
usmguy1234 wrote: »Nerf Dk's please they're are ruining pvp with snb and heavy, also they re the only class that can face tank 1vx atm which speaks volumes in itself!
1) I would suggest reworking passives/abilities in snb 1st and nerfing heavy armor as a whole before any direct nerfs because this is cancer to pvp but zos seems to not care!
2) they benefit from heavy the most and build unkillable toons in pvp that serve no purpose to pvp or they build for damage and can have near 10k health more then strict dps classes and still overshadow/out perform their roles 1v1, this speaks volumes in its self!
3) They have two unDodgeables too many, that I can think of off the top of my head, this pretty much guarantees a kill in any outnumbered situation near 75% to 100% of the time, This would be Dragon Leap, currently the best ult in game, and fossilize. your only option is to block but if you stand still while getting zerged we all know what happens and in lag you're near screwed every time as fossilize. Fossilize is literally the same thing as old rune cage just a smaller radius but no one ever wants to acknowledge this!
4) zos seems to screw strict damage classes in pvp out of there diversity sorcs and nbs.
Sorc the list of nerfs is unfathomable, literally every ability, EVERY on sorc has been nerfed at one point in time in this game, then you give us pets to try make us happy, its literally a disgrace to the class and long time vets and to pvp as a whole!
Medium armor nb just got absolutely shafted this patch, major fracture, incap defile, the list goes on, last patch you screwed shuffle
dk's have absolutely no perspective when it comes to they're privilege in this game, they're the only class that utilize tank meta while over performing 1v1 and in outnumbered situations atm. you Buff wings making them better than shuffle several patches ago= MAJOR BUFF, Buff dragon leap as if it needs any buffing? =HUGE BUFF
zos literally wants everyone getting chained from zergs and dragon leaped while unable to counter it!
Remove major mending and they'd basically become more manageable. Wings mitigation could come down a spec too. 80% mitigation from an already inherently tanky class is just disgusting.
Accepting your privilege 1st?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g48vfYJvAvs Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Nerf Dk's please they're are ruining pvp with snb and heavy, also they re the only class that can face tank 1vx atm which speaks volumes in itself!
1) I would suggest reworking passives/abilities in snb 1st and nerfing heavy armor as a whole before any direct nerfs because this is cancer to pvp but zos seems to not care!
2) they benefit from heavy the most and build unkillable toons in pvp that serve no purpose to pvp or they build for damage and can have near 10k health more then strict dps classes and still overshadow/out perform their roles 1v1, this speaks volumes in its self!
3) They have two unDodgeables too many, that I can think of off the top of my head, this pretty much guarantees a kill in any outnumbered situation near 75% to 100% of the time, This would be Dragon Leap, currently the best ult in game, and fossilize. your only option is to block but if you stand still while getting zerged we all know what happens and in lag you're near screwed every time as fossilize. Fossilize is literally the same thing as old rune cage just a smaller radius but no one ever wants to acknowledge this!
4) zos seems to screw strict damage classes in pvp out of there diversity sorcs and nbs.
Sorc the list of nerfs is unfathomable, literally every ability, EVERY on sorc has been nerfed at one point in time in this game, then you give us pets to try make us happy, its literally a disgrace to the class and long time vets and to pvp as a whole!
Medium armor nb just got absolutely shafted this patch, major fracture, incap defile, the list goes on, last patch you screwed shuffle
dk's have absolutely no perspective when it comes to they're privilege in this game, they're the only class that utilize tank meta while over performing 1v1 and in outnumbered situations atm. you Buff wings making them better than shuffle several patches ago= MAJOR BUFF, Buff dragon leap as if it needs any buffing? =HUGE BUFF
zos literally wants everyone getting chained from zergs and dragon leaped while unable to counter it!
Remove major mending and they'd basically become more manageable. Wings mitigation could come down a spec too. 80% mitigation from an already inherently tanky class is just disgusting.
Remove major mending and DK would become an Ap farm. They have no means of disengagement so ye mending needs to stay. Wings was a hug nerf. Let's do a small example: before patch poison inject or reach would reflect. After patch the initial damage of the skill is mitigated but the dot isn't the status effects isn't. Wings are horrible now. Remember it's only projectiles and a percentage debuff leading to smaller returns.
Onefrkncrzypope wrote: »usmguy1234 wrote: »Nerf Dk's please they're are ruining pvp with snb and heavy, also they re the only class that can face tank 1vx atm which speaks volumes in itself!
1) I would suggest reworking passives/abilities in snb 1st and nerfing heavy armor as a whole before any direct nerfs because this is cancer to pvp but zos seems to not care!
2) they benefit from heavy the most and build unkillable toons in pvp that serve no purpose to pvp or they build for damage and can have near 10k health more then strict dps classes and still overshadow/out perform their roles 1v1, this speaks volumes in its self!
3) They have two unDodgeables too many, that I can think of off the top of my head, this pretty much guarantees a kill in any outnumbered situation near 75% to 100% of the time, This would be Dragon Leap, currently the best ult in game, and fossilize. your only option is to block but if you stand still while getting zerged we all know what happens and in lag you're near screwed every time as fossilize. Fossilize is literally the same thing as old rune cage just a smaller radius but no one ever wants to acknowledge this!
4) zos seems to screw strict damage classes in pvp out of there diversity sorcs and nbs.
Sorc the list of nerfs is unfathomable, literally every ability, EVERY on sorc has been nerfed at one point in time in this game, then you give us pets to try make us happy, its literally a disgrace to the class and long time vets and to pvp as a whole!
Medium armor nb just got absolutely shafted this patch, major fracture, incap defile, the list goes on, last patch you screwed shuffle
dk's have absolutely no perspective when it comes to they're privilege in this game, they're the only class that utilize tank meta while over performing 1v1 and in outnumbered situations atm. you Buff wings making them better than shuffle several patches ago= MAJOR BUFF, Buff dragon leap as if it needs any buffing? =HUGE BUFF
zos literally wants everyone getting chained from zergs and dragon leaped while unable to counter it!
Remove major mending and they'd basically become more manageable. Wings mitigation could come down a spec too. 80% mitigation from an already inherently tanky class is just disgusting.
Remove major mending and DK would become an Ap farm. They have no means of disengagement so ye mending needs to stay. Wings was a hug nerf. Let's do a small example: before patch poison inject or reach would reflect. After patch the initial damage of the skill is mitigated but the dot isn't the status effects isn't. Wings are horrible now. Remember it's only projectiles and a percentage debuff leading to smaller returns.
And the one that was supposed to get hit with wings nerf was magDK in PvP, but somehow, the only DK spec that got hit with that nerf is stamDK, which wasnt OP at all in the first place.
On other hand, I can use wings while tanking Zmaja, to reduce that heavy attack. So, less work for healers I guess.

It seems pvp manages to get laggier and more buggy every update, the tank survival and dot meta is the eventual outcome of a poor targeting system making direct damage single target a poor choice and line of sight being the best way for non roll dodge stam characters to avoid damage, coupled with fury and sevenths, it makes a dk build thats unkillable 1v1 but still has a burst combo capable of killing other players with ease and battle roar gives great proc regen in heavy
I dislike the tank meta as well but nerfing everything to oblivion is not the answer. Dks are really one of the most balanced classes atm . The only class that performs a lot better than everything else is magsorc. It blows my mind how the devs fail to bring them on par with other classes for so long.
What i am worried they will do is they will nerf heavy armor to being useless and buff medium armor so we will be in this crazy wheel repeating ourselves. Oh nerf HA buff MA, then nerf MA buff HA.
The reason HA is meta right now is because of the stupidly op burst some classes can achieve. If you run MA in bgs , staying alive becomes next to impossible against good players and you are pretty much locked to dedicating one of your sets to resists.
Magsorcs for example are really out of hand this patch , they can melt people in seconds, dk or not. All of their counters were nerfed to the ground . If anything i am annoyed at zos for :
1) Releasing new classes before bringing the old ones in line
2) Releasing Necromancer , a class full of bugs, without fixing it
3) Ignoring feedback on old classes , and yet catering to NBs and MagSorcs (It seems these are the only 2 classes that manage to get a response from the devs)
4) Which brings me to my next point. Listening to crying people who are bad at the game and have no understanding of more than 1 class. Oblivion damage was nerfed to being useless just because of Sorcs and no one can say otherwise. Dizzy swing was nerfed to being meh just because of crying people.
5) Stamplars and Stamsorcs fell behind so bad, i don't even bother playing mine atm.
6) Magsorcs got an actual buff this patch (spare the shield nerf crying, it was a fix, and it does not affect any of the decent pvp players to begin with). The class that needed it the less got a buff really...
Dk is the last class you should be crying about my man , just saying.
How did sorcs get buffed again? Non-pet sorcs are in a bad spot atm. A DK will wipe the floor with them in the current meta. Pet sorcs on the other hand are stupid.
RaveRaveRaveRave wrote: »Pet sorcs are the absolute worst. Hide behind all their pets, even wear Maw of the Infernal so they can have another thing in a huge Daedroth running around too then execute anyone who is low on health with their Mages Wrath/Fury nonsense. Waaaaay worse than any DK. Any bum can be a sorc and think they're good. There's more sorcs than anything in BG.
Nerf Dk's please they're are ruining pvp with snb and heavy, also they re the only class that can face tank 1vx atm which speaks volumes in itself!
4) zos seems to screw strict damage classes in pvp out of there diversity sorcs and nbs.
Sorc the list of nerfs is unfathomable, literally every ability, EVERY on sorc has been nerfed at one point in time in this game, then you give us pets to try make us happy, its literally a disgrace to the class and long time vets and to pvp as a whole!
Medium armor nb just got absolutely shafted this patch, major fracture, incap defile, the list goes on, last patch you screwed shuffle
Nbs and Pet sorcs are more tanky than stamDKs at the current state + has better mobility.
What are u talking about bruh?
1) I would suggest reworking passives/abilities in snb 1st and nerfing heavy armor as a whole before any direct nerfs because this is cancer to pvp but zos seems to not care!