Dk's overdue

  • helios777
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    Haven’t seen a nerf DK thread in a while, ahhh brings back memories. 9.5/10
    Grand Warlord HAXERUS. One of the last OG Mag DKs.
    Mag DK through Thick and Thin.
    Retired from Cyrodiil until they finally decide to fix the performance, which is probably never.
  • usmcjdking
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    Nothing wrong with DKs in general, albeit I think most would agree that Petrify still having a damage component is a bit over-the-top. The only issue with HA Stam DKs is specifically HA S&B stam DKs and that is entirely hinged on the performance of Heroic Slash - which has nothing intrinsically to do with stam DK.

    Significant damage nerf on Heroic and removal of the damage portion of Petrify would likely clean up any immediate class over-performance.
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  • TrinityBreaker
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    -Eats popcorn-
    Please. Continue with how DKs are OP, op.
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    Khajiit Magblade - Ji'sava Ak'nir
    Fat Khajiit Stamplar - Dro'haniAk'nir - AR 36
    Khajiit Stam Dk - Diego Ri'jhad - AR 49
    Khajiit Magplar - Dro'nara Ak'nir
    Khajiit StamBlade - Ri'artharr Ak'nir
    Fat Khajiit Stamden - Dro'hani Warbreaker
    Argonian Stam DK - Tiberius Demetros
    Khajiit Stamplar - Diëgo Ri'jhad
    Fat Khajiit Stam DK - Drö'hani Ak'nir/Dances-With-Alkosh
    Khajiit Magden - Arctic Mayhem


  • Sleep724
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    usmcjdking wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with DKs in general, albeit I think most would agree that Petrify still having a damage component is a bit over-the-top. The only issue with HA Stam DKs is specifically HA S&B stam DKs and that is entirely hinged on the performance of Heroic Slash - which has nothing intrinsically to do with stam DK.

    Significant damage nerf on Heroic and removal of the damage portion of Petrify would likely clean up any immediate class over-performance.

    Right let’s nerf another primary spammable because that’s what really is the problem is heroic slash. Cuz I’m sure it’s in everyone’s death recap with is massive 2.5k damage it does in pvp.
  • joseayalac
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    hahahahah what is this?

    L2P
  • usmcjdking
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    Sleep724 wrote: »
    usmcjdking wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with DKs in general, albeit I think most would agree that Petrify still having a damage component is a bit over-the-top. The only issue with HA Stam DKs is specifically HA S&B stam DKs and that is entirely hinged on the performance of Heroic Slash - which has nothing intrinsically to do with stam DK.

    Significant damage nerf on Heroic and removal of the damage portion of Petrify would likely clean up any immediate class over-performance.

    Right let’s nerf another primary spammable because that’s what really is the problem is heroic slash. Cuz I’m sure it’s in everyone’s death recap with is massive 2.5k damage it does in pvp.

    It's not just the damage, it's the maim, giant snare, and the heroism lol.
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  • evoniee
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    all op's point are wrong,
    but i cant deny that dk passive and kit are really good and well built compared to nb and sorc for current meta
  • Banana
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    If ya cant beat em. Join em
  • juhislihis19
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    "L2P newbz"
  • Ixilith
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    I don’t care about nerfs, don’t know enough to make a call on balance.

    However I agree with pet ***, this games pet system sucks. I avoided ever trying a sorc because of pets
    Edited by Ixilith on June 11, 2019 9:06AM
  • BlackMadara
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    There is nothing OP about a stam DK. The only skills/passives unique to them, compared to other stam classes, are 2 poison DoTs, an expensive, short duration offensive/defensive hybrid ult (corrosive) , off stat sustain (battleroar), and a potential 37% increased healing potential.

    The only thing of these that truly stands out, and allows/forces stam DK into Heavy fury/7th/etc is the healing. 12% of said healing is easy to come by and cheap. The other 25% (major mending) is attached to an expensive and weak shield, with a short duration.

    This is the stam DK's survival tool though. Nb can cloak and gets high mitigation, sorc can easily stack movement speed, temp can purge, warden has access to many buffs and extra stamina heals, and necro also comes with a variety of benefits.

    Anything a stam DK can do, other stam classes can with a different flavor. It just so happens that other stam classes have more, apparently, viable specs that are more fun that sitting in heavy armor waiting until you stack enough WD and ult to one shot someone
  • deepseamk20b14_ESO
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    No. Rebuttal not even required. Simply no.
    Hey everyone! Look! It's a signature!
  • Cortimi
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    Davadin wrote: »
    Cortimi wrote: »
    LOL Found the kid I bashed last night in BG's. I rolled into a BG with my pre-patch stamDK, thinking "how bad can the Wing nerf be?". I have NEVER seen so much Clench spam in my life. I was literally the ONLY melee user in the entire BG. Nothing but Swallow Soul, Frags, and Clench. And these kids finally got their way, there was absolutely nothing I could do about it.

    They just hopped around, light attack spamming to proc Spell Strat and spam Clench. I was absolutely nothing more except a sitting duck, a moving crash test dummy that they could just shield stack around and have their way with.

    So they thought.

    See, the thing is, I knew this was coming. I was warned about this MONTHS ago. I have been planning. I have been testing.

    I've been waiting.

    So I rezzed up. Took Wings off my bar, slotted Defensive Stance, and ran back in to the center of the map to hold me ground.

    Sure enough, here comes the bunny hopping, Aderol infused idiot bouncing back my way to get his easy kill.

    I could actually FEEL the "Surprised Pikachu" coming through my screen as every Clench and Frag was reflected right back into his face. He kept spamming, I kept Stancing. Needless to say, I won fairly quickly.

    Told my wife about it (who plays a magden), and I even called it, "watch, I bet you real money, that kid just went STRAIGHT to the forums crying about it and Sword and Shield will be the next thing nerfed next patch".

    awesome.

    reminded me that i've been rocking Defensive Stance for months on my heavy/SnB build, and never use wings coz its simply too costly for stamDK for merely 4 projectiles (that's... every 0.5 sec in Cyrodiil CP) so I ended up medium build for Elswyr and honestly, it feels great. Hit way harder and more of a threat for shield-stacking sorc.


    But i never understand the bunny hopping tho... is it something to do with weaving or avoiding AoE or whatever? Why u jump?

    So Medium is working out for you? That's good to hear, I'm just not finding Heavy viable any more, since I have basically no defenses to allow me the time needed to make DoTs work now. This patch has really put a damper on my DK by funneling it into a playstyle the devs think it should be (and which is done better by literally any other class) instead of how I want it to be played. So I plan on just swapping to Stamden, but it is good to hear there may be hope.
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    AD: Corvaera - Bosmer StamSorc
    Urvoth wrote: »
    CP is a crutch for people who can’t sustain and want to be "tanky" so they aren’t immediately punished for making mistakes.
  • CompM4s
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    OP should edit the title to say - Dk Nerf Thread
  • dsalter
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    why not just make it so the main passives creating these situations have half their value WHILE IN A PvP AREA, like wise make it so critical hits multiplier is reduced IN A PvP AREA.

    it'll nerf stealth 1 shot combos, the tank meta and overall critage so the combat isn't as incredibly instant or super drawn out as it is now.

    PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread

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  • Davadin
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    Cortimi wrote: »
    Davadin wrote: »
    Cortimi wrote: »
    LOL Found the kid I bashed last night in BG's. I rolled into a BG with my pre-patch stamDK, thinking "how bad can the Wing nerf be?". I have NEVER seen so much Clench spam in my life. I was literally the ONLY melee user in the entire BG. Nothing but Swallow Soul, Frags, and Clench. And these kids finally got their way, there was absolutely nothing I could do about it.

    They just hopped around, light attack spamming to proc Spell Strat and spam Clench. I was absolutely nothing more except a sitting duck, a moving crash test dummy that they could just shield stack around and have their way with.

    So they thought.

    See, the thing is, I knew this was coming. I was warned about this MONTHS ago. I have been planning. I have been testing.

    I've been waiting.

    So I rezzed up. Took Wings off my bar, slotted Defensive Stance, and ran back in to the center of the map to hold me ground.

    Sure enough, here comes the bunny hopping, Aderol infused idiot bouncing back my way to get his easy kill.

    I could actually FEEL the "Surprised Pikachu" coming through my screen as every Clench and Frag was reflected right back into his face. He kept spamming, I kept Stancing. Needless to say, I won fairly quickly.

    Told my wife about it (who plays a magden), and I even called it, "watch, I bet you real money, that kid just went STRAIGHT to the forums crying about it and Sword and Shield will be the next thing nerfed next patch".

    awesome.

    reminded me that i've been rocking Defensive Stance for months on my heavy/SnB build, and never use wings coz its simply too costly for stamDK for merely 4 projectiles (that's... every 0.5 sec in Cyrodiil CP) so I ended up medium build for Elswyr and honestly, it feels great. Hit way harder and more of a threat for shield-stacking sorc.


    But i never understand the bunny hopping tho... is it something to do with weaving or avoiding AoE or whatever? Why u jump?

    So Medium is working out for you? That's good to hear, I'm just not finding Heavy viable any more, since I have basically no defenses to allow me the time needed to make DoTs work now.

    really well, yes. but note I'm also a Nord, so I got passive resist. in my case, Heavy doesn't give me THAT much benefit outside using 7th, but Cauterize is a staple on my bar now.

    Also: dodge roll. dodge roll like you're Geralt of Rivia. keep pots up.
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    Dragonhold 5.2.11 PvE : Medium DW/2H The Blood Furnace
    March 2021 (too lazy to add CP) PvP: Medium DW/Bow The Stabber
  • Arzharo
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    lol. Stamdks only works in cp. In non cp they're litterally the worst class in the game.
  • Ozazz
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    I've played medium armor and light armor since launch and people that don't small scale or 1vx would have any credibility when it comes to the state of the game! Dk is absolutely more tankey than nb and sorc and to say otherwise would be a complete lie! also i'm completely fair game to nerf pet sorc, it ruins the game and over saturates pvp with pets and the more they add up it clusters the game as aoe snares as many things etc= I love how people just dismiss a true post by saying oh look its just another sorc complaining while dismissing facts on how a class got completely gutted and whats bis now is bis on every character which is the snb skill line, which is sad! So dw sorc use to be a thing and everyone complained about it and it no longer exists which was damage related, zos didn't see it fit thus punishing damage on sorc for the thousand time but its okay for sorc to run snb as evey class does in pvp? why is it the damage classes always suffer 1st? lets punish damage but reward unskillful defensive game play. this has literally been the trend for 2 years now.

    I never advocated in nerfing damage on dk simply damage mitigation as every class needs that, thus nerf snb, your biased if you say otherwise!

    And the undogeables abilities on dk need to be reworked to provide counter play, to say other wise is biased! "its okay to punish sorc undogeables but hey forget about it when it comes to dk" nice logic!
  • Ozazz
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    Cortimi wrote: »
    LOL Found the kid I bashed last night in BG's. I rolled into a BG with my pre-patch stamDK, thinking "how bad can the Wing nerf be?". I have NEVER seen so much Clench spam in my life. I was literally the ONLY melee user in the entire BG. Nothing but Swallow Soul, Frags, and Clench. And these kids finally got their way, there was absolutely nothing I could do about it.

    They just hopped around, light attack spamming to proc Spell Strat and spam Clench. I was absolutely nothing more except a sitting duck, a moving crash test dummy that they could just shield stack around and have their way with.

    So they thought.

    See, the thing is, I knew this was coming. I was warned about this MONTHS ago. I have been planning. I have been testing.

    I've been waiting.

    So I rezzed up. Took Wings off my bar, slotted Defensive Stance, and ran back in to the center of the map to hold me ground.

    Sure enough, here comes the bunny hopping, Aderol infused idiot bouncing back my way to get his easy kill.

    I could actually FEEL the "Surprised Pikachu" coming through my screen as every Clench and Frag was reflected right back into his face. He kept spamming, I kept Stancing. Needless to say, I won fairly quickly.

    Told my wife about it (who plays a magden), and I even called it, "watch, I bet you real money, that kid just went STRAIGHT to the forums crying about it and Sword and Shield will be the next thing nerfed next patch".

    [/if your implying that you were playing against me in a bg your incorrect, i dont even roll sorc these days, also you should probably learn how to play pvp rather than sitting behind a sword and shield thinking your doing something!
  • Ozazz
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    Rydik wrote: »
    "Dk outperforming, nerf" post from sorc... Thx, this was fun)
    Clearly L2P.

    cant kill a pet sorc in a 1v1, L2P! so productive isnt it?
  • JumpmanLane
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    Heavy armor is an OLD meta.

    Seriously ... maybe this is yet another PC vs Console thing but it’s not even remotely the meta on XBox. You’ll find an “unkillable” tank every few minutes but ... pro tip ... if you guys all stopped NERFING YOURSELVES with armor sets that don’t do damage because you’re afraid to die they are quite killable.

    The number of times that I saunter up to a group of 15 people playing ring around the tree with a tank that ends with me just firing off an ACTUAL ABILITY THAT DOES DAMAGE and kills the “unkillable” tank is in the hundreds.

    The only meta on XBox is the sorc meta. And it’s all good, have at it sorcs. No worries. Not hating.
    Ozazz wrote: »
    I've played medium armor and light armor since launch and people that don't small scale or 1vx would have any credibility when it comes to the state of the game! Dk is absolutely more tankey than nb and sorc and to say otherwise would be a complete lie! also i'm completely fair game to nerf pet sorc, it ruins the game and over saturates pvp with pets and the more they add up it clusters the game as aoe snares as many things etc= I love how people just dismiss a true post by saying oh look its just another sorc complaining while dismissing facts on how a class got completely gutted and whats bis now is bis on every character which is the snb skill line, which is sad! So dw sorc use to be a thing and everyone complained about it and it no longer exists which was damage related, zos didn't see it fit thus punishing damage on sorc for the thousand time but its okay for sorc to run snb as evey class does in pvp? why is it the damage classes always suffer 1st? lets punish damage but reward unskillful defensive game play. this has literally been the trend for 2 years now.

    I never advocated in nerfing damage on dk simply damage mitigation as every class needs that, thus nerf snb, your biased if you say otherwise!

    And the undogeables abilities on dk need to be reworked to provide counter play, to say other wise is biased! "its okay to punish sorc undogeables but hey forget about it when it comes to dk" nice logic!

    Nerfs threads kill me. It’s always some unknown prob low level player who whipped Morag Ball and now is endgame ready lol.
  • erlewine
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    I don't get it why people want to nerf heavy armor. Almost every single one of my builds that I tried doing using heavy armor, turned out to be subpar to it's medium armor counterpart. We can easily get to the resistances cap without more than two heavy armor pieces on body and medium armor passives are much, much, much better.

    maybe their new calendar didnt arrive they think its still 2018?
    eisley the worst
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    Necromongers first
  • D0PAMINE
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    lol. Oh yeah my sDK is so unkillable. Better watch out!
  • TrinityBreaker
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    Ozazz wrote: »
    why is it the damage classes always suffer 1st?

    Wasn't DK a damage class in update 1.6? Remember how it was gutted and kept receiving nerfs up until recently?

    Edited by TrinityBreaker on June 9, 2019 3:42AM
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    Khajiit Stam Sorc - Ji'saad Ranajiradh AR 30
    Khajiit Mag DK - Kesjhad
    Khajiit Magblade - Ji'sava Ak'nir
    Fat Khajiit Stamplar - Dro'haniAk'nir - AR 36
    Khajiit Stam Dk - Diego Ri'jhad - AR 49
    Khajiit Magplar - Dro'nara Ak'nir
    Khajiit StamBlade - Ri'artharr Ak'nir
    Fat Khajiit Stamden - Dro'hani Warbreaker
    Argonian Stam DK - Tiberius Demetros
    Khajiit Stamplar - Diëgo Ri'jhad
    Fat Khajiit Stam DK - Drö'hani Ak'nir/Dances-With-Alkosh
    Khajiit Magden - Arctic Mayhem


  • Mitaka211
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    I dislike the tank meta as well but nerfing everything to oblivion is not the answer. Dks are really one of the most balanced classes atm . The only class that performs a lot better than everything else is magsorc. It blows my mind how the devs fail to bring them on par with other classes for so long.

    What i am worried they will do is they will nerf heavy armor to being useless and buff medium armor so we will be in this crazy wheel repeating ourselves. Oh nerf HA buff MA, then nerf MA buff HA.

    The reason HA is meta right now is because of the stupidly op burst some classes can achieve. If you run MA in bgs , staying alive becomes next to impossible against good players and you are pretty much locked to dedicating one of your sets to resists.

    Magsorcs for example are really out of hand this patch , they can melt people in seconds, dk or not. All of their counters were nerfed to the ground . If anything i am annoyed at zos for :
    1) Releasing new classes before bringing the old ones in line
    2) Releasing Necromancer , a class full of bugs, without fixing it
    3) Ignoring feedback on old classes , and yet catering to NBs and MagSorcs (It seems these are the only 2 classes that manage to get a response from the devs)
    4) Which brings me to my next point. Listening to crying people who are bad at the game and have no understanding of more than 1 class. Oblivion damage was nerfed to being useless just because of Sorcs and no one can say otherwise. Dizzy swing was nerfed to being meh just because of crying people.
    5) Stamplars and Stamsorcs fell behind so bad, i don't even bother playing mine atm.
    6) Magsorcs got an actual buff this patch (spare the shield nerf crying, it was a fix, and it does not affect any of the decent pvp players to begin with). The class that needed it the less got a buff really...


    Dk is the last class you should be crying about my man , just saying.
  • satanio
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    No.
    Current public stam parses on Iron Atro so far (esologs)
    DW&Bow
    DW&2H
    2H&Bow
    Bow&Bow

    Current public mag parses on Iron Atro (esologs)
    (non cheese)
    ESOLEAKS CASUALTIES:
    Checkmath
    Tasear
    RIP
  • JumpmanLane
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    It’s always someone with very little experience asking for nerfs...
  • bardx86
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    Mitaka211 wrote: »
    I dislike the tank meta as well but nerfing everything to oblivion is not the answer. Dks are really one of the most balanced classes atm . The only class that performs a lot better than everything else is magsorc. It blows my mind how the devs fail to bring them on par with other classes for so long.

    What i am worried they will do is they will nerf heavy armor to being useless and buff medium armor so we will be in this crazy wheel repeating ourselves. Oh nerf HA buff MA, then nerf MA buff HA.

    The reason HA is meta right now is because of the stupidly op burst some classes can achieve. If you run MA in bgs , staying alive becomes next to impossible against good players and you are pretty much locked to dedicating one of your sets to resists.

    Magsorcs for example are really out of hand this patch , they can melt people in seconds, dk or not. All of their counters were nerfed to the ground . If anything i am annoyed at zos for :
    1) Releasing new classes before bringing the old ones in line
    2) Releasing Necromancer , a class full of bugs, without fixing it
    3) Ignoring feedback on old classes , and yet catering to NBs and MagSorcs (It seems these are the only 2 classes that manage to get a response from the devs)
    4) Which brings me to my next point. Listening to crying people who are bad at the game and have no understanding of more than 1 class. Oblivion damage was nerfed to being useless just because of Sorcs and no one can say otherwise. Dizzy swing was nerfed to being meh just because of crying people.
    5) Stamplars and Stamsorcs fell behind so bad, i don't even bother playing mine atm.
    6) Magsorcs got an actual buff this patch (spare the shield nerf crying, it was a fix, and it does not affect any of the decent pvp players to begin with). The class that needed it the less got a buff really...


    Dk is the last class you should be crying about my man , just saying.

    How did sorcs get buffed again? Non-pet sorcs are in a bad spot atm. A DK will wipe the floor with them in the current meta. Pet sorcs on the other hand are stupid.
    Edited by bardx86 on June 9, 2019 8:07PM
  • Ragnarock41
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    I would gladly take a nerf to heavy armor stamDK, If they gave me back the old medium armor Dk where I could wrecking blow+leap to two shot kill those light armor squishies.

    So if your average petsorc can go shieldstack for 30 minutes straight, I get to be an SnB tank. Seems very, very fair to me.
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