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[s]New[/s] Never Ending List of Garbage Sets
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ITT: white knights defending garbage.
Very millennial of you, maybe you should look at your other choices for MMO's? But I have the feeling you would be screeching this no matter what MMO you are playing.
Lol screeching.
Lol millennial.
I am perfectly happy with the game. You can like the game and still recognize garbage. It is all right. No one is going to blame you for calling garbage, garbage. Or rather, ought not.
Garbage is subjective...you can toss semantics around all day...bottom line most folks don't agree with you.
"most" most people that say that don't really understand the game. now come on. is it really subjective that you will get better sustain from VO then hunt leader? or better healing from a basic set like hundings that will also amp your own healing, unlike the 5 piece from hunt leader? no. those are just the facts. what is making you defend poorly designed sets? it is really mind boggling. we gain nothing from having garbage sets in the game. nothing but free mats.
also with all the ellipsis in your post, you look like you are just meandering around. makes you look like you just do not know what you are talking about.
Think you meant Briar. Hunding's doesn't have any baked in healing.
Could Hunt Leader be useful? Maybe, probably not.1 -
Emmagoldman✭✭✭✭✭
✭MornaBaine wrote: »There's a reason I don't do end game, trials or most dungeons. Let alone PVP. This is it. I can't possibly be bothered to keep track of, learn, and re-learn and adjust every time a new wave of gear hits. No thanks ZO$.
I'd really like story single player versions of all the dungeons and trials just so I can do them for the content and experience the areas and stories. I don't want gear. Toss me the same amount of gold as a daily and I'm good. As it is, having a sub, I'm literally paying for content I can't use.
There are sets that easily survive the test of time.2 -
Stx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nightblade shades count as a pet and now scale with your highest stat. The minor maim is also good for solo builds, so hunt leader on a solo build NB could be useful. The sustain on it is actually really good, it just doesnt scale with % buffs, plus you get a passive heal.
Not saying it's great, but a lot of seemingly useless sets have niche uses and I personally ally enjoy finding builds for them.1 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Interpret "garbage" to mean I don't use it.
Some of the sets being described as "garbage" in this thread are ludicrous. In the end: it all depends on your circumstance and what it is you are trying to accomplish. This game has probably hundreds of different sets so of course they're not all going to appeal to everyone.
There are some genuinely bad sets out there. But threads like this are bad identifying them because... as is usually the case on video game forums....everything gets diluted down to what's good on an endgame veteran trial and there is a lot more to this game than those. In fact: I'd wager people spend 99.9% of their time on this game doing other activities.Edited by Jeremy on June 3, 2019 11:04PM6 -
elijafire✭✭✭Interpret "garbage" to mean I don't use it.
Some of the sets being described as "garbage" in this thread are ludicrous. In the end: it all depends on your circumstance and what it is you are trying to accomplish. This game has probably hundreds of different sets so of course they're not all going to appeal to everyone.
There are some genuinely bad sets out there. But threads like this are bad identifying them because... as is usually the case on video game forums....everything gets diluted down to what's good on an endgame veteran trial and there is a lot more to this game than those. In fact: I'd wager people spend 99.9% of their time on this game doing other activities.
Incorrect. The sets listed are objectively garbage (instantly vend/decon trash).Hi OP. I have to disagree with 17. Werewolf Pack Leader has 2 direwolf pets. I think it is underrated and has potential.
K ill edit that one, I kinda gave up on revising since the thread degraded into ppl passively aggressively resorting to ad hominem attacks and rather poorly trying to calling me ignorant in spite of the evidence to the contrary as well as the fact that ZoS continues to release more and more garbage rather than cleaning up the old garbage. So there ya go.
BTW "Briarheart" super easy to get and 10x better wolfs or no.
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vesselwiththepestle✭✭✭✭✭
✭19. Hircines Veneer ... 12% Stam recovery is almost nothing, it ought to be changed to cost reduction, like worm and have a weapon damage instead of 2 regen.
This set has been changed to cost reduction - a while ago. It still has 2 regen. I guess it's mostly a pvp set. I play no CP pvp only and there this set would be rather strong in a group.Edited by vesselwiththepestle on June 7, 2019 7:00AM1000+ CP
PC/EU Ravenwatch Daggerfall Covenant
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elijafire✭✭✭Yes, I'm aware they changed it, still garbage.
Only useful if said group where extremely stam heavy and tightly organized at which point either another set could do better for group support or any set would do.
The glowy balls is fun tho.
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Rain_Greyraven wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »ITT: white knights defending garbage.
Very millennial of you, maybe you should look at your other choices for MMO's? But I have the feeling you would be screeching this no matter what MMO you are playing.
Lol screeching.
Lol millennial.
I am perfectly happy with the game. You can like the game and still recognize garbage. It is all right. No one is going to blame you for calling garbage, garbage. Or rather, ought not.
Garbage is subjective...you can toss semantics around all day...bottom line most folks don't agree with you.
"most" most people that say that don't really understand the game. now come on. is it really subjective that you will get better sustain from VO then hunt leader? or better healing from a basic set like hundings that will also amp your own healing, unlike the 5 piece from hunt leader? no. those are just the facts. what is making you defend poorly designed sets? it is really mind boggling. we gain nothing from having garbage sets in the game. nothing but free mats.
also with all the ellipsis in your post, you look like you are just meandering around. makes you look like you just do not know what you are talking about.
Think you meant Briar. Hunding's doesn't have any baked in healing.
Could Hunt Leader be useful? Maybe, probably not.
no, i meant hundings, the weapon damage from the 5 piece of hundings will amp your own healing, like from vigor or rally or hell, even blood craze, plus will amp your damage, unlike the 5 piece from hunt leader since that doesnt have any extra weapon damage on the 5 piece and that 5 piece is worthless in way more scenarios then hundings.0 -
The_Last_Titan✭✭✭theres quite a bit of melee involved in mag classes. templar, dk, warden, pretty much the ones who dont have stealth or an escape will be getting hit a lot0
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Fivefivesix✭✭✭[8. Redistributor Set ...so if you heal yourself, and you are at full, you heal another person for a tiny amount, but only every 3 seconds...wtf? Who could possibly benefit from this?]
LOLUnited we stand, divided we fall.0 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭There are at least 3-4 sets in this list that I see that are not useless.Edited by Cathexis on June 7, 2019 8:01PMTome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/520903/tomb-of-fps-alteration-magic-everything-you-need-to-know-about-fps
Tome of Alteration Magic II - The Manual of the Deceiver: A Beginner's Guide to Thieving
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/462509/tome-of-alteration-mastery-ii-the-decievers-manual-thieving-guide-for-new-characters
Ultrawide ESO Adventure Screenshots - 7680 x 1080 Resolution
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/505262/adventures-in-ultra-ultrawide-an-ongoing-series0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »
I mean, off the top of my head, Burning Spellweave's pretty dope. Earthgore just got nerfed, but that's not bad. Grothdar, Illambris, and Za'an are all solid. Stormfist and Veli are both pretty solid options. And those are all bundled, collectively, under a single header. It's also not an exhaustive list of, frankly, really good sets that you summarily dismissed as trash without even bothering to check what you were including. But, I mean, please, by all means, explain how Olo is a garbage set, and how Briarheart is objectively worse than Hundings. We'll wait.Edited by starkerealm on June 14, 2019 6:05PM2 -
Jeremy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Interpret "garbage" to mean I don't use it.
Some of the sets being described as "garbage" in this thread are ludicrous. In the end: it all depends on your circumstance and what it is you are trying to accomplish. This game has probably hundreds of different sets so of course they're not all going to appeal to everyone.
There are some genuinely bad sets out there. But threads like this are bad identifying them because... as is usually the case on video game forums....everything gets diluted down to what's good on an endgame veteran trial and there is a lot more to this game than those. In fact: I'd wager people spend 99.9% of their time on this game doing other activities.
Incorrect. The sets listed are objectively garbage (instantly vend/decon trash).Hi OP. I have to disagree with 17. Werewolf Pack Leader has 2 direwolf pets. I think it is underrated and has potential.
K ill edit that one, I kinda gave up on revising since the thread degraded into ppl passively aggressively resorting to ad hominem attacks and rather poorly trying to calling me ignorant in spite of the evidence to the contrary as well as the fact that ZoS continues to release more and more garbage rather than cleaning up the old garbage. So there ya go.
BTW "Briarheart" super easy to get and 10x better wolfs or no.
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I was referring to sets listed through-out this thread - not specifically in the OP.
For example: sets like Fortified Brass or Warrior-Poet are not garbage. Just because a set may not be "best in slot" for a endgame raid - that doesn't mean it's crap.Edited by Jeremy on June 14, 2019 9:50PM0 -
elijafire✭✭✭Some of the new sets have promise, one idea I had was, when they homogonized all those 5pc bonuses into major and minor it was a huge hit to most 5 pcs affected.
Iterate out a main stat push to all minor sets 180 or 90 power etc
Iterate out to all major sets 90 stat or 45 power
Half or eliminate all CD's.
That should be a fairly easy population unless the underlying code is a hot mess.
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elijafire✭✭✭Interpret "garbage" to mean I don't use it.
Some of the sets being described as "garbage" in this thread are ludicrous. In the end: it all depends on your circumstance and what it is you are trying to accomplish. This game has probably hundreds of different sets so of course they're not all going to appeal to everyone.
There are some genuinely bad sets out there. But threads like this are bad identifying them because... as is usually the case on video game forums....everything gets diluted down to what's good on an endgame veteran trial and there is a lot more to this game than those. In fact: I'd wager people spend 99.9% of their time on this game doing other activities.
Incorrect. The sets listed are objectively garbage (instantly vend/decon trash).Hi OP. I have to disagree with 17. Werewolf Pack Leader has 2 direwolf pets. I think it is underrated and has potential.
K ill edit that one, I kinda gave up on revising since the thread degraded into ppl passively aggressively resorting to ad hominem attacks and rather poorly trying to calling me ignorant in spite of the evidence to the contrary as well as the fact that ZoS continues to release more and more garbage rather than cleaning up the old garbage. So there ya go.
BTW "Briarheart" super easy to get and 10x better wolfs or no.
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I was referring to sets listed through-out this thread - not specifically in the OP.
For example: sets like Fortified Brass or Warrior-Poet are not garbage. Just because a set may not be "best in slot" for a endgame raid - that doesn't mean it's crap.
No. It's crap because there a billion other sets that do it better.0 -
ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....
But there are almost no good skills that beat having an extra 7% max magic, which is between 3000 and 5000 extra max magic on most builds, you also lose out on a good five piece too, from an extra 200 base spell damage from law of julinanos or some such. It really is a bad deal for magic users to use TH, it is not as bad for Stam users to use toothrow (3% weapon damage is not as big as 7% mag, from evil Hunter) but still really not used if you are end game. So no reason to "hmmm"Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....
I totally agree.
Treasure Hunter works on the build I tested it on much better than Mother's Sorrow did. Increases my DPS and frees up 2 skill slots.
Care to share your build, I really can't think of any two skills that would be better for a pve dps to slot over inner light. I am genuinely curious.
As for MS loseing to TH, of course it would if you don't use inner light, TH is a full 10% crit with 100 spell Damage, MS is just an extra 8.7% crit. I wouldn't run either of them over law of julinanos and inner light.
if i am playing a templar dps/healer i would rather have the slot used for the 10% gain on magicka, stamina ,and health regen. Having more regen mean more magicka in the long run.
Treasure Hunter is a great set. I would love to pair it with mother's Sorrow on my templar . Farming TH sucks though. Cant get the pieces i want and switching them up for mother's sorrow gets expensive.Edited by ryzen_gamer_gal on June 19, 2019 7:54PM0 -
ryzen_gamer_gal✭✭✭✭Interpret "garbage" to mean I don't use it.
Some of the sets being described as "garbage" in this thread are ludicrous. In the end: it all depends on your circumstance and what it is you are trying to accomplish. This game has probably hundreds of different sets so of course they're not all going to appeal to everyone.
There are some genuinely bad sets out there. But threads like this are bad identifying them because... as is usually the case on video game forums....everything gets diluted down to what's good on an endgame veteran trial and there is a lot more to this game than those. In fact: I'd wager people spend 99.9% of their time on this game doing other activities.
Incorrect. The sets listed are objectively garbage (instantly vend/decon trash).Hi OP. I have to disagree with 17. Werewolf Pack Leader has 2 direwolf pets. I think it is underrated and has potential.
K ill edit that one, I kinda gave up on revising since the thread degraded into ppl passively aggressively resorting to ad hominem attacks and rather poorly trying to calling me ignorant in spite of the evidence to the contrary as well as the fact that ZoS continues to release more and more garbage rather than cleaning up the old garbage. So there ya go.
BTW "Briarheart" super easy to get and 10x better wolfs or no.
E
I was referring to sets listed through-out this thread - not specifically in the OP.
For example: sets like Fortified Brass or Warrior-Poet are not garbage. Just because a set may not be "best in slot" for a endgame raid - that doesn't mean it's crap.
No. It's crap because there a billion other sets that do it better.
Fortified brass is awesome. So is Night mothers gaze. two great tastes that go great together. esp if you are using a tank that isnt a dk.3 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Treasure Hunter is a great set. I would love to pair it with mother's Sorrow on my templar . Farming TH sucks though. Cant get the pieces i want and switching them up for mother's sorrow gets expensive.
Whoa, I'd never really paid much attention to TH... that's a pretty fantastic set.
I reckon that aside from the final boss fight, Volenfell is pretty solo-able. Players better than myself could surely take down the three final guardians, but solo farming doesn't sound too out of the real of possibility...
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Lightspeedflashb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭ryzen_gamer_gal wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....
But there are almost no good skills that beat having an extra 7% max magic, which is between 3000 and 5000 extra max magic on most builds, you also lose out on a good five piece too, from an extra 200 base spell damage from law of julinanos or some such. It really is a bad deal for magic users to use TH, it is not as bad for Stam users to use toothrow (3% weapon damage is not as big as 7% mag, from evil Hunter) but still really not used if you are end game. So no reason to "hmmm"Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »treasure hunter is useless - but mothers sorrow is useful?
The 9% crit you get from the 5 piece of MS stacks with inner light, a skill that gives major prophecy, the same buff from TH, so yeah, TH useless.
Lol @TheDoomsdayMonster saying prayer shawl is useless but still riding the combat physician train.
but that means you loose 2 skill slots by having to have Inner light on both bars..... hmmmm.....
I totally agree.
Treasure Hunter works on the build I tested it on much better than Mother's Sorrow did. Increases my DPS and frees up 2 skill slots.
Care to share your build, I really can't think of any two skills that would be better for a pve dps to slot over inner light. I am genuinely curious.
As for MS loseing to TH, of course it would if you don't use inner light, TH is a full 10% crit with 100 spell Damage, MS is just an extra 8.7% crit. I wouldn't run either of them over law of julinanos and inner light.
if i am playing a templar dps/healer i would rather have the slot used for the 10% gain on magicka, stamina ,and health regen. Having more regen mean more magicka in the long run.
Treasure Hunter is a great set. I would love to pair it with mother's Sorrow on my templar . Farming TH sucks though. Cant get the pieces i want and switching them up for mother's sorrow gets expensive.
Are you saying treasure Hunter is better then olo? Then spc? Then worm? Then mending? Then IA? Then jolvunns? Then sanctuary? Hell it is better for a healer to wear hircines or ebon when the time calls for it.
As a dps Templar, you are literally gimping yourself as a dps of you try to run radiant aura. You trade at best, like 80 regen for like 3k max mag. I just don't understand what people are trying to do by defending garbage.Edited by Lightspeedflashb14_ESO on June 19, 2019 8:10PM0 -
elijafire✭✭✭Me trying to explain to ZoS that only they have the power to fix this mess:
Never Ending Garbage Gear Story
You can do it!
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Mayrael✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lol I see mentioned sets are Fortified Brass, Treasure Hunter etc.etc. These are decent sets and have its place in the game, yes they are not BiS in Endgame PvE but it's not the only game mode we have. To define what is a truly useles set you need to ask your self "do this set have any uses in ANY aspect of the game"? Only if there is no way to use it anywhere in the game it's truly useless.
Look at this bad boy, Oblivions Foe (8 traits required to craft it!):
(2 items) Adds 129 Health Recovery
(3 items) Adds 129 Stamina Recovery
(4 items) Adds 129 Magicka Recovery
(5 items) Increases the damage of your Soul Trap abilities by 100%.
Sithis touch:
(2 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(3 items) Adds 1206 Max Health
(4 items) Adds 833 Weapon Critical
(4 items) Adds 833 Spell Critical
(5 items) When you use Blade of Woe, you gain Major Berserk for 20 seconds, increasing your damage done by 25%.
And honourable mention:
Adept Rider
(2 items) Adds 2975 Spell Resistance
(3 items) Adds 2975 Physical Resistance
(4 items) Adds 1206 Maximum Health
(5 items) While mounted, you gain Major Evasion, reducing the damage from area attacks by 25%. Dismounting spawns a dust cloud at your position for 12 seconds that deals 1436 Physical Damage every 1 second to enemies who stand inside it. You and group members inside the dust cloud gain Major Evasion. The dust cloud can be created once every 12 seconds.Say no to Toxic Casuals!
I am doing my best, but I am not a native speaker, sorry.
"Difficulty scaling is desperately needed. 9 years. 6 paid expansions. 24 DLCs. 40 game changing updates including A Realm Reborn-tier overhaul of the game including a permanent CP160 gear cap and ridiculous power creep thereafter. I'm sick and tired of hearing about Cadwell Silver&Gold as a "you think you do but you don't"-tier deflection to any criticism regarding the lack of overland difficulty in the game." - @AlexanderDeLarge1 -
MaxJrFTW✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Pirate Skeleton:
Reduced the duration of the proc from this set to 10 seconds from 12 seconds.
Increased the cooldown to 20 seconds from 15 seconds.
The Minor Defile is now Major Defile.
Add it to the pile
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nickl413✭✭✭✭On Hunt Leader, it should also be noted that you have to run the bear ulti. It doesnt proc on anything else. Or at least it didnt when I tested it shortly after warden's release. I did run through VMA a few times with that set. It was noticeably inferior to VO.0