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Would you like a unified auction house instead of the current trading system?
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Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.I'd be happy with a substantially improved present system, extended so as to allow restricted levels of trading through a NPC trader for casual traders and those guild traders without a kiosk, but given the stark choice between the present system as is and some form of auction house then I would opt for the latter.3 -
barney2525✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Yes.Dusk_Coven wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »Guilds are guilds. They are not dependent on trading. They are as much social as they are business. This does not affect them 'as guilds' so to speak.
With the current system, guilds are not merely just guilds. People who are interested in selling typically completely discount any guild that can't hold a trader. How often do you see "looking for trading guild" versus any other kind of "looking for guild" request in zone chat?
Thats a good point. I am currently in 2 trading guilds, both of which I have come close to leaving because they both keep losing their trader.
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Psychopote✭✭✭✭No.Would you like a new useless survey about this eternal question?
a) nope of course
b) yes I love wasting my time (like now)
c) wait, pretty sure that this AH will never happen. NEVER. Go on....4 -
Nemesis7884✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?8 -
zaria✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.Ignoring the obvious performance issues having all the items in one search.
the main effect would be an massive deflation. You would get 30 sale slots- 50 if they are very generous.
You and the other 300K-1M active players on your server also want to sell their stuff trough the trader.
Now buyers buy the cheapest item so you want to underbid, so does anybody else.
Example you had no problems buying an off trait briarheart jack for 2K as its not cost effective to shop around. With an global trader it would probably sell for 100g. Remember all need to move stuff.
Now an action house is an no go, again performance so do not discuss. Its also the opposite balance.
How much would Spell strategist staffs sell for after the change with an action house: 10M , I guess 50 with bis trait.
Sold an furniture recipe for 2.9M during anniversary event. it dropped from an Elsweyr prologue box.
In short prices for expensive stuff many want will rise hard.
Last is price manipulation, much easier with an single point.Grinding just make you go in circles.
Asking ZoS for nerfs is as stupid as asking for close air support from the death star.5 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.Nemesis7884 wrote: »jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?
I believe this is a concerted effort by a few people to get what they want by constantly bringing the topic up. Every time, the poll says the same thing. The majority of the people voting say no.
They will keep bringing it up until either the poll results change, they get what they want, they quit or the servers shut down.
Which is why some are advocating for forum suspensions for people that continue to make the same topics and polls every other day.Edited by Katahdin on June 17, 2019 6:47PMBeta tester November 20138 -
Yes.Console doesn't have TTC. A unified auction system would be greatest on console where you have to travel from town to town to search each guild individually. And guess what? B.S. time sinks are B.S.
You could still have trade guilds. Just have them feed into a unified system.6 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.To players who enjoy the trade game in ESO, this is like asking to convert all Trials to delves or public dungeons or to remove combat entirely for a purely social experience.
It's obtuse and selfish to request it be completely changed.5 -
Pandora_314✭✭No. It would devastate the guild traders as well as the in game market and allow for an *only the rich can afford anything* atmosphere. If you want an auction house...use Band. There's several.3 -
Yes.To players who enjoy the trade game in ESO, this is like asking to convert all Trials to delves or public dungeons or to remove combat entirely for a purely social experience.
It's obtuse and selfish to request it be completely changed.
Can you outline exactly how it would *force* people to change how they play the trade game?
1. They'd still be able to use a selling feature that's already similar to an auction system.
2. They'd still be able to sell in zone chat if that's their preference.
And that doesn't even address how this works on consoles where there are no addons. But sure Dexter, people are "obtuse and selfish" to point out that it's not working for them.6 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes.Nemesis7884 wrote: »jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?
I believe this is a concerted effort by a few people to get what they want by constantly bringing the topic up. Every time, the poll says the same thing. The majority of the people voting say no.
They will keep bringing it up until either the poll results change, they get what they want, they quit or the servers shut down.
Which is why some are advocating for forum suspensions for people that continue to make the same topics and polls every other day.
You do know that the best way of killing off such topics is not to post or vote on them, don't you?
There are always full discussions on this topic, and it always takes two sides to hold a discussion.
There's no evidence that I'm aware of that these topics are always launched by the same player, but if in any event there is a move to suspend those who always post about the same thing I trust that will not just cover the trading system but also other staple regulars like lag in Cyrodiil (not because I have a problem with such posts but because nobody ever has anything new to say about it so it fits the same criteria being complained about with topics on the trading system). Also, if people who post with conviction against the trading system are to be suspended, then let's also suspend those who post with conviction against the Crown Store. In short, where would it end?7 -
woufff✭✭✭✭No.No, don't take away one of the good specificities of this game
PC/EU&NA - Redguard Nightblade - Grand Master Crafter - Explorer of Tamriel & Skyrim - Playing Starfield (and awaiting TES VI ^^)1 -
Urigall✭✭✭Other (Pleas explain)The trade guild system is - more or less - working, so leave it in place. The main problem seems to be one of concentration of power and hogging of top spots: the buying and selling side seems to be fit for purpose. Full disclosure - I do well as a trader (not involved in running a trade guild) within the trade guild system.
I'm always wary of discontinuing established practices that, for the most part, work. People sometimes fail to think through what to do next if major changes mess everything up. Put another way, if removing the guild system results in damage that no-one has predicted, what is plan B? Revert to the previous system? If scrapping the guild system leads to an exodus of disgruntled players, that's not something that is easy to reverse. Even if a lot of disgruntled players don't leave, there is still the unquantifiable, albeit important, factor of creating negative sentiment. Negative sentiment is a form of damage in its own right.
That's the risk in making big changes, even those that are intended to be beneficial - if the changes cause any damage, can the damage be easily repaired?
If an auction house system is introduced, it would be prudent to run it in parallel with the existing system of trade guilds.0 -
iLLcrime✭✭✭✭Yes.With the current amount of outrage about the addons and guild traders, I'm surprised more people are defending the current system. The current system is terrible in my opinion and only by having addons makes it somewhat tolerable (console folks are just screwed on that point). The other recent debacle was the Rawl'Kha shenanigans, which people freaked out about again.
Most of the time reading these threads every week (since there seems to be a new one almost always), I find myself wondering what the pros and cons are of an actual auction house type system. A lot of the cons honestly don't make much sense as they're already in place with what we currently have. Is there someone who could point out the pros and cons with actual reasoning behind them?I put on my robe and wizard hat8 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.Nemesis7884 wrote: »jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?
I believe this is a concerted effort by a few people to get what they want by constantly bringing the topic up. Every time, the poll says the same thing. The majority of the people voting say no.
They will keep bringing it up until either the poll results change, they get what they want, they quit or the servers shut down.
Which is why some are advocating for forum suspensions for people that continue to make the same topics and polls every other day.
You do know that the best way of killing off such topics is not to post or vote on them, don't you?
There are always full discussions on this topic, and it always takes two sides to hold a discussion.
There's no evidence that I'm aware of that these topics are always launched by the same player, but if in any event there is a move to suspend those who always post about the same thing I trust that will not just cover the trading system but also other staple regulars like lag in Cyrodiil (not because I have a problem with such posts but because nobody ever has anything new to say about it so it fits the same criteria being complained about with topics on the trading system). Also, if people who post with conviction against the trading system are to be suspended, then let's also suspend those who post with conviction against the Crown Store. In short, where would it end?
The last time we didn't bother to argue against something we got faction locks because the opposing side was too quiet.3 -
Chrysoprase✭✭No.No. I don't think people understand the effect this would have on the game. Guild Traders take millions upon millions of gold out the game every week. This gold sink is 100% necessary to making gold worth the money. If anyone could sell anything at any time the market would be flooded with items and prices would sink so low that it wouldn't be worth it to sell anything at all. All that money that was being taken out of the game will stay in it. Look at most other MMOs. Most of them don't have any sort of economy or really way to make money from selling besides farming. This game allows people to make tons of money without having to farm due to crafting dailies, etc.
People may not like this system because they're envisioning an imaginary would where supply and demand would be the same and they could make just as much money as people in the large trading guilds do without having to pay a weekly fee or make sales goals. I hate to burst your bubble, but it wouldn't work at all. I played WoW for so many years and saw the inflation over the course of the game. It was a mess, and still is.
If you do crafting dailies and sell the mats, you will make enough money to pay the dues in one of these guilds tenfold. I'm in three. I am not a hardcore player, some weeks I don't play at all, but on the weeks that I'm here I make loads of money. I can make enough money in a week from these guilds to pay dues for 6 months. And I do this as a completely casual player who never farms. Trading guilds aren't full of evil elitists trying to screw people over, they're full of people like me who enjoy the friendly communities and making some money on the side.PC-NA @Totomaya
Ethereal Trader's Union & ETU II
Black Market Wares
Shades of Sithis
Reliable Raiders3 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.Nemesis7884 wrote: »jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?
I believe this is a concerted effort by a few people to get what they want by constantly bringing the topic up. Every time, the poll says the same thing. The majority of the people voting say no.
They will keep bringing it up until either the poll results change, they get what they want, they quit or the servers shut down.
Which is why some are advocating for forum suspensions for people that continue to make the same topics and polls every other day.
You do know that the best way of killing off such topics is not to post or vote on them, don't you?
There are always full discussions on this topic, and it always takes two sides to hold a discussion.
There's no evidence that I'm aware of that these topics are always launched by the same player, but if in any event there is a move to suspend those who always post about the same thing I trust that will not just cover the trading system but also other staple regulars like lag in Cyrodiil (not because I have a problem with such posts but because nobody ever has anything new to say about it so it fits the same criteria being complained about with topics on the trading system). Also, if people who post with conviction against the trading system are to be suspended, then let's also suspend those who post with conviction against the Crown Store. In short, where would it end?
Doesnt seem to matter who posts or doesnt, the same topic will be posted tomorrow or the next day or next week and we rehash it ad nausium.
If the people that are against a GAH stop posting against these topics, and stop voting, it will look like everyone agrees and we may end up with a change a lot don't want, or the majority if the poll numbers are to be believed as representative.
In short, we are doomed to have the same topics posted over and over and over until the dead horse's dry, brittle skeleton is pulverized into dust.Edited by Katahdin on June 17, 2019 8:29PMBeta tester November 20132 -
Edziu✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.Goregrinder wrote: »The numbers don't lie, so stop making these posts.
numbes maybe no but % very often as very often specific % of people dont have access to vote or even dont know about this
you can say from % in this thread more people dont want global AH
from known to me many people in game I know 100% of them would go for global AH than current systemEdited by Edziu on June 17, 2019 8:31PM3 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No.Nemesis7884 wrote: »jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?
I believe this is a concerted effort by a few people to get what they want by constantly bringing the topic up. Every time, the poll says the same thing. The majority of the people voting say no.
They will keep bringing it up until either the poll results change, they get what they want, they quit or the servers shut down.
Which is why some are advocating for forum suspensions for people that continue to make the same topics and polls every other day.
You do know that the best way of killing off such topics is not to post or vote on them, don't you?
There are always full discussions on this topic, and it always takes two sides to hold a discussion.
There's no evidence that I'm aware of that these topics are always launched by the same player, but if in any event there is a move to suspend those who always post about the same thing I trust that will not just cover the trading system but also other staple regulars like lag in Cyrodiil (not because I have a problem with such posts but because nobody ever has anything new to say about it so it fits the same criteria being complained about with topics on the trading system). Also, if people who post with conviction against the trading system are to be suspended, then let's also suspend those who post with conviction against the Crown Store. In short, where would it end?
The last time we didn't bother to argue against something we got faction locks because the opposing side was too quiet.
Apples and oranges. Faction lock was part of the original game design.4 -
jaws343✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.Nemesis7884 wrote: »jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?
I believe this is a concerted effort by a few people to get what they want by constantly bringing the topic up. Every time, the poll says the same thing. The majority of the people voting say no.
They will keep bringing it up until either the poll results change, they get what they want, they quit or the servers shut down.
Which is why some are advocating for forum suspensions for people that continue to make the same topics and polls every other day.
You do know that the best way of killing off such topics is not to post or vote on them, don't you?
There are always full discussions on this topic, and it always takes two sides to hold a discussion.
There's no evidence that I'm aware of that these topics are always launched by the same player, but if in any event there is a move to suspend those who always post about the same thing I trust that will not just cover the trading system but also other staple regulars like lag in Cyrodiil (not because I have a problem with such posts but because nobody ever has anything new to say about it so it fits the same criteria being complained about with topics on the trading system). Also, if people who post with conviction against the trading system are to be suspended, then let's also suspend those who post with conviction against the Crown Store. In short, where would it end?
The last time we didn't bother to argue against something we got faction locks because the opposing side was too quiet.
Apples and oranges. Faction lock was part of the original game design.
The person I replied to said that we should just ignore these and let them die. I pointed to a situation where we did just that and got force fed a change that many do not like. So, oranges and oranges. We don't want this change. So we are speaking up to make sure that the only voices being heard aren't those who want it. Pretty simple concept, and unfortunately necessary due to prior changes implemented into the game.2 -
Marginis✭✭✭✭✭No.Hey look, another one of these threads! Let me add it to the pile.
@Marginis on PC, Senpai Fluffy on Xbox, Founder of Magicka. Also known as Kha'jiri, The Night Mother, Ma'iq, Jane Shepard, Damia, Kintyra, Zoor Do Kest, You, and a few others.3 -
BigBragg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No.Nemesis7884 wrote: »jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?
I believe this is a concerted effort by a few people to get what they want by constantly bringing the topic up. Every time, the poll says the same thing. The majority of the people voting say no.
They will keep bringing it up until either the poll results change, they get what they want, they quit or the servers shut down.
Which is why some are advocating for forum suspensions for people that continue to make the same topics and polls every other day.
You do know that the best way of killing off such topics is not to post or vote on them, don't you?
There are always full discussions on this topic, and it always takes two sides to hold a discussion.
There's no evidence that I'm aware of that these topics are always launched by the same player, but if in any event there is a move to suspend those who always post about the same thing I trust that will not just cover the trading system but also other staple regulars like lag in Cyrodiil (not because I have a problem with such posts but because nobody ever has anything new to say about it so it fits the same criteria being complained about with topics on the trading system). Also, if people who post with conviction against the trading system are to be suspended, then let's also suspend those who post with conviction against the Crown Store. In short, where would it end?
The last time we didn't bother to argue against something we got faction locks because the opposing side was too quiet.
Apples and oranges. Faction lock was part of the original game design.
The person I replied to said that we should just ignore these and let them die. I pointed to a situation where we did just that and got force fed a change that many do not like. So, oranges and oranges. We don't want this change. So we are speaking up to make sure that the only voices being heard aren't those who want it. Pretty simple concept, and unfortunately necessary due to prior changes implemented into the game.
Ignoring them would functionally work in this case though. Implementation for a centralized auction house would require an engine overhaul. Something I doubt this game will ever see. Thus The Great Auction House Spam Debate is actually a mute point.2 -
Katahdin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.Nemesis7884 wrote: »jesus this question really comes up about every week...do people know how to use the search function?
I believe this is a concerted effort by a few people to get what they want by constantly bringing the topic up. Every time, the poll says the same thing. The majority of the people voting say no.
They will keep bringing it up until either the poll results change, they get what they want, they quit or the servers shut down.
Which is why some are advocating for forum suspensions for people that continue to make the same topics and polls every other day.
You do know that the best way of killing off such topics is not to post or vote on them, don't you?
There are always full discussions on this topic, and it always takes two sides to hold a discussion.
There's no evidence that I'm aware of that these topics are always launched by the same player, but if in any event there is a move to suspend those who always post about the same thing I trust that will not just cover the trading system but also other staple regulars like lag in Cyrodiil (not because I have a problem with such posts but because nobody ever has anything new to say about it so it fits the same criteria being complained about with topics on the trading system). Also, if people who post with conviction against the trading system are to be suspended, then let's also suspend those who post with conviction against the Crown Store. In short, where would it end?
The last time we didn't bother to argue against something we got faction locks because the opposing side was too quiet.
Apples and oranges. Faction lock was part of the original game design.
The person I replied to said that we should just ignore these and let them die. I pointed to a situation where we did just that and got force fed a change that many do not like. So, oranges and oranges. We don't want this change. So we are speaking up to make sure that the only voices being heard aren't those who want it. Pretty simple concept, and unfortunately necessary due to prior changes implemented into the game.
Implementation for a centralized auction house would require an engine overhaul. Something I doubt this game will ever see. Thus The Great Auction House Spam Debate is actually a mute point.
While I agree with this part of your post, we still see AH threads every other day.
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.So OP.....the votes are in....read them and weep if you must. Are you about ready to close the thread now? Or are you going to keep making these posts until everyone votes for the answer you want?2 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.Goregrinder wrote: »So OP.....the votes are in....read them and weep if you must. Are you about ready to close the thread now? Or are you going to keep making these posts until everyone votes for the answer you want?
I don't know of a function to close the thread but it's still very early in the voting process compared to the threads age.0 -
zyk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No.
Yes, it is obtuse and selfish to advocate completely changing part of the game players have enjoyed for more than 5 years. To many players, the trading game is what they enjoy the most. This gameplay would be obliterated by the introduction of an AH.NotSuzyHomemaker wrote: »And that doesn't even address how this works on consoles where there are no addons. But sure Dexter, people are "obtuse and selfish" to point out that it's not working for them.
Taking away the current trading game would be exactly the same as removing combat from the game.
There's no approach that's objectively better. It's preference. However, ESO was developed, sold and played for more than 5 years with a deep trading system.
The players who enjoy ESO trading as it is are ethically entitled to the experience that was sold to them. You are not entitled to an experience that has never existed in ESO.4 -
Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭No.Goregrinder wrote: »So OP.....the votes are in....read them and weep if you must. Are you about ready to close the thread now? Or are you going to keep making these posts until everyone votes for the answer you want?
I don't know of a function to close the thread but it's still very early in the voting process compared to the threads age.
Ah so you're holding out for some more "yes" votes.....yeah good luck with that bud.1 -
stefan.gustavsonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭How about you stop beating this dead horse and instead ask for ZOS to index their database once a day to create the same kind of global overview for console players as what PC/Mac players have through the commendable third party effort of TTC? That, at least, would be perfectly possible without a major overhaul to the existing system.2 -
Knowledge✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes.Goregrinder wrote: »Goregrinder wrote: »So OP.....the votes are in....read them and weep if you must. Are you about ready to close the thread now? Or are you going to keep making these posts until everyone votes for the answer you want?
I don't know of a function to close the thread but it's still very early in the voting process compared to the threads age.
Ah so you're holding out for some more "yes" votes.....yeah good luck with that bud.
Well, there's also an avid number of people against it that vote fast and early. I think that some of the forums users haven't had time to vote yet it's only been 12 hours. Also, there are a lot of people that do want it, it's not a bad division. Roughly 60/40 early on.4
