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PC VSS Chest Exploiters Receiving One Month Bans
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »And why would farming chests be punished? How players can possibly know ZOS didn't want them to open those chests if you could just get to them walking and doing nothing?
Players were not using any kind of exploit, they were not using mementos, they were not going through invisible walls, nothing at all, so how is it an exploit by just walking to the chests?
And opening chests? Really? Why it's OK in CoA and why not in a trial? Because the sets are better? Is there an Official ZOS page/site where it says "this" set is OK to get it from a chest but "this one" is not?
So, "Anyone for CoA chests farm?" is OK but "Anyone for vSS chests farm?" is an offense?
ZOS just decided they don't want those chests to be easy obtainable, and so ZOS changed how they can be obtained. That's all.
They knew it was an exploit. They also knew it was going to be fixed. One of the guilds I am in had members running the chest farm nightly and posted reminders in discord that the opportunity wouldn't be there for long. I joined one not realizing they were skipping all boss fights, most adds, and just purposely dying to get to all the chests so I didn't join any others. I don't think there will be any consequences nor should there be but acting as if players who did this didn't know it wasn't playing as intended is naive.
There is NO way they could have known it was an exploit because IT IS NOT an exploit. People did NOTHING wrong. There are dozens of same situations in different content in the game (ie: City of Ash) where players have been doing that for years and IT WAS NEVER an exploit.
Oh! ZOS! Ban everyone that farms in Skyreach! They are supposed to enter the delve, kill all bosses and complete the quest, not grouping all adds, killing them, go out and get back in and repeat the "exploit" to gain XP, right? So ban EVERY PLAYER in this game ZOS for exploiting Skyreach!
My God!!
An exploit is something in the game that works other than intended. People using this exploit knew it was an exploit and most also knew it would be quickly corrected. People are not going to get banned for taking advantage although the Terms of Agreement does say all exploits should be reported when encountered. Your Skyreach example is a poor one. Players are not sneaking past content to attack those adds and they are not dying on purpose to be transported past content.
If the Sunspire trial was working as intended do you think there would have been such a rush to get it fixed? This was a blatant exploit. There are other exploits in the game that ZoS has decided to ignore. Some take a long time before getting fixed as example the Fungal Grotto exploit that took the random factor out of getting the random daily reward.
it was an exploit and most people taking advantage knew it was an exploit.
You are the only one that says it was an exploit, so quit saying "...they knew it was an exploit". Sorry, I think I read somewhere else another person thinking it was an exploit too. So it's you and that other person the only ones, out of +13 million players, that say it was an exploit.
Again, ZOS decided to change and make the chests not farmeable. Just a simple decision to avoid giving purple BiS sets that easily. Case closed.
I know they thought/knew it was an exploit because there was talk in Craglorn zone chat telling people to run it now before the fix. That aside my original post specifically mentioned guild members encouraging others to take full advantage while they could. I may be the only person saying they knew it was an exploit here in this thread. Doesn't change the simple fact it was an exploit and people were taking full advantage knowing it was an exploit and also knowing it would be fixed. Of those more than thirteen million people approximately 12,999,043 offered no opinion.
Call it what you will. Players took full advantage of a situation that was never meant to be in the game. Now they can't so at least this one exploit was fixed in a timely manner.
Or are you arguing that ZoS meant for players to skip the bosses for a week or two, thus no exploit?
A fix to an unintended feature does not equate to an exploit. Know the difference. This was definitely unintended but most definitely NOT an exploit. If every feature that ever got fixed was automatically also considered an exploit we would have chaos.
"Hey guys, they are fixing Radiant Destruction next patch so it fires off for half the duration so every time you cast it before it gets fixed, make sure to cancel the animation before the third tick or else you're exploiting something that is scheduled to be changed"
That's crazy talk.
You are correct that a fix does not equate to an exploit. Just like a mammal does not equate to a dog. But some mammals are dogs. Some fixes are put in place to fix an exploit. That is the case with Sunspire chest runs. There was something working in Sunspire other than intended. People were taking advantage of it. That is also know as exploiting the situation and the method of taking advantage or exploiting is known as an exploit.
You are right again trying to equate Radiant Destruction skill adjustments to fixing chest availability in Sunspire is crazy talk.
You are wrong though if you think Sunspire chest runs were not an exploit.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Blinkin8r✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »And why would farming chests be punished? How players can possibly know ZOS didn't want them to open those chests if you could just get to them walking and doing nothing?
Players were not using any kind of exploit, they were not using mementos, they were not going through invisible walls, nothing at all, so how is it an exploit by just walking to the chests?
And opening chests? Really? Why it's OK in CoA and why not in a trial? Because the sets are better? Is there an Official ZOS page/site where it says "this" set is OK to get it from a chest but "this one" is not?
So, "Anyone for CoA chests farm?" is OK but "Anyone for vSS chests farm?" is an offense?
ZOS just decided they don't want those chests to be easy obtainable, and so ZOS changed how they can be obtained. That's all.
They knew it was an exploit. They also knew it was going to be fixed. One of the guilds I am in had members running the chest farm nightly and posted reminders in discord that the opportunity wouldn't be there for long. I joined one not realizing they were skipping all boss fights, most adds, and just purposely dying to get to all the chests so I didn't join any others. I don't think there will be any consequences nor should there be but acting as if players who did this didn't know it wasn't playing as intended is naive.
There is NO way they could have known it was an exploit because IT IS NOT an exploit. People did NOTHING wrong. There are dozens of same situations in different content in the game (ie: City of Ash) where players have been doing that for years and IT WAS NEVER an exploit.
Oh! ZOS! Ban everyone that farms in Skyreach! They are supposed to enter the delve, kill all bosses and complete the quest, not grouping all adds, killing them, go out and get back in and repeat the "exploit" to gain XP, right? So ban EVERY PLAYER in this game ZOS for exploiting Skyreach!
My God!!
An exploit is something in the game that works other than intended. People using this exploit knew it was an exploit and most also knew it would be quickly corrected. People are not going to get banned for taking advantage although the Terms of Agreement does say all exploits should be reported when encountered. Your Skyreach example is a poor one. Players are not sneaking past content to attack those adds and they are not dying on purpose to be transported past content.
If the Sunspire trial was working as intended do you think there would have been such a rush to get it fixed? This was a blatant exploit. There are other exploits in the game that ZoS has decided to ignore. Some take a long time before getting fixed as example the Fungal Grotto exploit that took the random factor out of getting the random daily reward.
it was an exploit and most people taking advantage knew it was an exploit.
You are the only one that says it was an exploit, so quit saying "...they knew it was an exploit". Sorry, I think I read somewhere else another person thinking it was an exploit too. So it's you and that other person the only ones, out of +13 million players, that say it was an exploit.
Again, ZOS decided to change and make the chests not farmeable. Just a simple decision to avoid giving purple BiS sets that easily. Case closed.
I know they thought/knew it was an exploit because there was talk in Craglorn zone chat telling people to run it now before the fix. That aside my original post specifically mentioned guild members encouraging others to take full advantage while they could. I may be the only person saying they knew it was an exploit here in this thread. Doesn't change the simple fact it was an exploit and people were taking full advantage knowing it was an exploit and also knowing it would be fixed. Of those more than thirteen million people approximately 12,999,043 offered no opinion.
Call it what you will. Players took full advantage of a situation that was never meant to be in the game. Now they can't so at least this one exploit was fixed in a timely manner.
Or are you arguing that ZoS meant for players to skip the bosses for a week or two, thus no exploit?
A fix to an unintended feature does not equate to an exploit. Know the difference. This was definitely unintended but most definitely NOT an exploit. If every feature that ever got fixed was automatically also considered an exploit we would have chaos.
"Hey guys, they are fixing Radiant Destruction next patch so it fires off for half the duration so every time you cast it before it gets fixed, make sure to cancel the animation before the third tick or else you're exploiting something that is scheduled to be changed"
That's crazy talk.
You are correct that a fix does not equate to an exploit. Just like a mammal does not equate to a dog. But some mammals are dogs. Some fixes are put in place to fix an exploit. That is the case with Sunspire chest runs. There was something working in Sunspire other than intended. People were taking advantage of it. That is also know as exploiting the situation and the method of taking advantage or exploiting is known as an exploit.
You are right again trying to equate Radiant Destruction skill adjustments to fixing chest availability in Sunspire is crazy talk.
You are wrong though if you think Sunspire chest runs were not an exploit.
The postern wall glitch was not working as intended, and it was fixed. Not one ban over it.II Blinkin II
Xbox 1 NA
"A man without the sauce is lost, but the same man can become lost in the sauce."0 -
Salvas_Aren✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Who would even report that BS?
I mean, 12 ppl who actually agree on this, and then there is one guy reporting them all. I hope the traitor gets the longest ban.
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kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »And why would farming chests be punished? How players can possibly know ZOS didn't want them to open those chests if you could just get to them walking and doing nothing?
Players were not using any kind of exploit, they were not using mementos, they were not going through invisible walls, nothing at all, so how is it an exploit by just walking to the chests?
And opening chests? Really? Why it's OK in CoA and why not in a trial? Because the sets are better? Is there an Official ZOS page/site where it says "this" set is OK to get it from a chest but "this one" is not?
So, "Anyone for CoA chests farm?" is OK but "Anyone for vSS chests farm?" is an offense?
ZOS just decided they don't want those chests to be easy obtainable, and so ZOS changed how they can be obtained. That's all.
They knew it was an exploit. They also knew it was going to be fixed. One of the guilds I am in had members running the chest farm nightly and posted reminders in discord that the opportunity wouldn't be there for long. I joined one not realizing they were skipping all boss fights, most adds, and just purposely dying to get to all the chests so I didn't join any others. I don't think there will be any consequences nor should there be but acting as if players who did this didn't know it wasn't playing as intended is naive.
There is NO way they could have known it was an exploit because IT IS NOT an exploit. People did NOTHING wrong. There are dozens of same situations in different content in the game (ie: City of Ash) where players have been doing that for years and IT WAS NEVER an exploit.
Oh! ZOS! Ban everyone that farms in Skyreach! They are supposed to enter the delve, kill all bosses and complete the quest, not grouping all adds, killing them, go out and get back in and repeat the "exploit" to gain XP, right? So ban EVERY PLAYER in this game ZOS for exploiting Skyreach!
My God!!
An exploit is something in the game that works other than intended. People using this exploit knew it was an exploit and most also knew it would be quickly corrected. People are not going to get banned for taking advantage although the Terms of Agreement does say all exploits should be reported when encountered. Your Skyreach example is a poor one. Players are not sneaking past content to attack those adds and they are not dying on purpose to be transported past content.
If the Sunspire trial was working as intended do you think there would have been such a rush to get it fixed? This was a blatant exploit. There are other exploits in the game that ZoS has decided to ignore. Some take a long time before getting fixed as example the Fungal Grotto exploit that took the random factor out of getting the random daily reward.
it was an exploit and most people taking advantage knew it was an exploit.
You are the only one that says it was an exploit, so quit saying "...they knew it was an exploit". Sorry, I think I read somewhere else another person thinking it was an exploit too. So it's you and that other person the only ones, out of +13 million players, that say it was an exploit.
Again, ZOS decided to change and make the chests not farmeable. Just a simple decision to avoid giving purple BiS sets that easily. Case closed.
I know they thought/knew it was an exploit because there was talk in Craglorn zone chat telling people to run it now before the fix. That aside my original post specifically mentioned guild members encouraging others to take full advantage while they could. I may be the only person saying they knew it was an exploit here in this thread. Doesn't change the simple fact it was an exploit and people were taking full advantage knowing it was an exploit and also knowing it would be fixed. Of those more than thirteen million people approximately 12,999,043 offered no opinion.
Call it what you will. Players took full advantage of a situation that was never meant to be in the game. Now they can't so at least this one exploit was fixed in a timely manner.
Or are you arguing that ZoS meant for players to skip the bosses for a week or two, thus no exploit?
A fix to an unintended feature does not equate to an exploit. Know the difference. This was definitely unintended but most definitely NOT an exploit. If every feature that ever got fixed was automatically also considered an exploit we would have chaos.
"Hey guys, they are fixing Radiant Destruction next patch so it fires off for half the duration so every time you cast it before it gets fixed, make sure to cancel the animation before the third tick or else you're exploiting something that is scheduled to be changed"
That's crazy talk.
You are correct that a fix does not equate to an exploit. Just like a mammal does not equate to a dog. But some mammals are dogs. Some fixes are put in place to fix an exploit. That is the case with Sunspire chest runs. There was something working in Sunspire other than intended. People were taking advantage of it. That is also know as exploiting the situation and the method of taking advantage or exploiting is known as an exploit.
You are right again trying to equate Radiant Destruction skill adjustments to fixing chest availability in Sunspire is crazy talk.
You are wrong though if you think Sunspire chest runs were not an exploit.
The postern wall glitch was not working as intended, and it was fixed. Not one ban over it.
I'm not saying there will be a ban for this exploit. In fact I said there shouldn't be a ban for taking advantage of this exploit. It was an exploit though. If ZoS had announced hey it might take us a while to fix this and in the meantime players who continue to take advantage of the exploit might face a ban then maybe. With no warning I don't think a ban would be fair nor do I think one will happen.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
SidraWillowsky✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Echo what everyone else is saying (yes it's an exploit, no its not at all bannable) but ultimately... Why care? SS in norm is a snooze fest and I'd have capitalized on the exploit had I been aware of its existence. I think someone at the start of the thread mentioned that if it helps people get better gear so that they can get better, then... Good.
If chests in vet dropped perfected gear then that would be one thing, but this isn't getting people any sort of leet achievement-related gear.1 -
sevomd69✭✭✭✭✭
✭LOL...Y'all tripping...no one gonna get banned...same thing as CoA chest farm...haven't seen any one get worked up over that...and in that case there have been several vids over the years showing exactly where the chests were... I guesss some of y'all like the drama...lol...0 -
redspecter23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭redspecter23 wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »Dragonnord wrote: »And why would farming chests be punished? How players can possibly know ZOS didn't want them to open those chests if you could just get to them walking and doing nothing?
Players were not using any kind of exploit, they were not using mementos, they were not going through invisible walls, nothing at all, so how is it an exploit by just walking to the chests?
And opening chests? Really? Why it's OK in CoA and why not in a trial? Because the sets are better? Is there an Official ZOS page/site where it says "this" set is OK to get it from a chest but "this one" is not?
So, "Anyone for CoA chests farm?" is OK but "Anyone for vSS chests farm?" is an offense?
ZOS just decided they don't want those chests to be easy obtainable, and so ZOS changed how they can be obtained. That's all.
They knew it was an exploit. They also knew it was going to be fixed. One of the guilds I am in had members running the chest farm nightly and posted reminders in discord that the opportunity wouldn't be there for long. I joined one not realizing they were skipping all boss fights, most adds, and just purposely dying to get to all the chests so I didn't join any others. I don't think there will be any consequences nor should there be but acting as if players who did this didn't know it wasn't playing as intended is naive.
There is NO way they could have known it was an exploit because IT IS NOT an exploit. People did NOTHING wrong. There are dozens of same situations in different content in the game (ie: City of Ash) where players have been doing that for years and IT WAS NEVER an exploit.
Oh! ZOS! Ban everyone that farms in Skyreach! They are supposed to enter the delve, kill all bosses and complete the quest, not grouping all adds, killing them, go out and get back in and repeat the "exploit" to gain XP, right? So ban EVERY PLAYER in this game ZOS for exploiting Skyreach!
My God!!
An exploit is something in the game that works other than intended. People using this exploit knew it was an exploit and most also knew it would be quickly corrected. People are not going to get banned for taking advantage although the Terms of Agreement does say all exploits should be reported when encountered. Your Skyreach example is a poor one. Players are not sneaking past content to attack those adds and they are not dying on purpose to be transported past content.
If the Sunspire trial was working as intended do you think there would have been such a rush to get it fixed? This was a blatant exploit. There are other exploits in the game that ZoS has decided to ignore. Some take a long time before getting fixed as example the Fungal Grotto exploit that took the random factor out of getting the random daily reward.
it was an exploit and most people taking advantage knew it was an exploit.
You are the only one that says it was an exploit, so quit saying "...they knew it was an exploit". Sorry, I think I read somewhere else another person thinking it was an exploit too. So it's you and that other person the only ones, out of +13 million players, that say it was an exploit.
Again, ZOS decided to change and make the chests not farmeable. Just a simple decision to avoid giving purple BiS sets that easily. Case closed.
I know they thought/knew it was an exploit because there was talk in Craglorn zone chat telling people to run it now before the fix. That aside my original post specifically mentioned guild members encouraging others to take full advantage while they could. I may be the only person saying they knew it was an exploit here in this thread. Doesn't change the simple fact it was an exploit and people were taking full advantage knowing it was an exploit and also knowing it would be fixed. Of those more than thirteen million people approximately 12,999,043 offered no opinion.
Call it what you will. Players took full advantage of a situation that was never meant to be in the game. Now they can't so at least this one exploit was fixed in a timely manner.
Or are you arguing that ZoS meant for players to skip the bosses for a week or two, thus no exploit?
A fix to an unintended feature does not equate to an exploit. Know the difference. This was definitely unintended but most definitely NOT an exploit. If every feature that ever got fixed was automatically also considered an exploit we would have chaos.
"Hey guys, they are fixing Radiant Destruction next patch so it fires off for half the duration so every time you cast it before it gets fixed, make sure to cancel the animation before the third tick or else you're exploiting something that is scheduled to be changed"
That's crazy talk.
You are correct that a fix does not equate to an exploit. Just like a mammal does not equate to a dog. But some mammals are dogs. Some fixes are put in place to fix an exploit. That is the case with Sunspire chest runs. There was something working in Sunspire other than intended. People were taking advantage of it. That is also know as exploiting the situation and the method of taking advantage or exploiting is known as an exploit.
You are right again trying to equate Radiant Destruction skill adjustments to fixing chest availability in Sunspire is crazy talk.
You are wrong though if you think Sunspire chest runs were not an exploit.
The postern wall glitch was not working as intended, and it was fixed. Not one ban over it.
I'm not saying there will be a ban for this exploit. In fact I said there shouldn't be a ban for taking advantage of this exploit. It was an exploit though. If ZoS had announced hey it might take us a while to fix this and in the meantime players who continue to take advantage of the exploit might face a ban then maybe. With no warning I don't think a ban would be fair nor do I think one will happen.
If this is an exploit, is it also an exploit to chest farm in City of Ash 1? If I don't kill all those bosses, but still loot the chests, is it an exploit?
What if I'm fighting a mob in front of an overland chest and someone else comes and takes that chest? That player did not deal the the threat that was guarding the chest, yet he was still able to loot it. Isn't that also an exploit?
I'm in a public dungeon. Am I allowed to loot any chests before I've killed all the bosses? Once I kill all the bosses, is it ok for me to start looting chests at that point? What if the bosses respawn? Do I need to kill them a second time to make me safe from exploiting if I loot more chests?
The SS trial had NO exploit. Players walked from A to B, killed all mandatory threats between them and the loot and chose to leave before the trial was complete. There was no glitching through terrain. No outside 3rd party programs. They simply walked along a path to get to the chests. You'll really have to explain in great detail the exploit here, because there isn't one that I can see.2
