Strongest Build in the History of ESO
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✭Counter play? how about you just kite the player until the transformation runs out and kill them, like the players in battegrounds are doing when they face stam cro players.
If the Necro is build for it, all it takes is a Shield Charge and you are dead before you're done breaking free from the stun. The chance to stay out of gap closer range for 20s against a decent player is pretty low.
I'd say Goliath bash is stronger than the old EOTS + gap closer spam from about two years ago. At least you had a chance to burst these guys down while they were humping legs.
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✭Peekachu99 wrote: »Reactive and Pirate Skelton, all Armor impen. Armor weight of your choice as Reactive has jewelry and weapons. You’re welcome. I eat these bashing fools for breakfast in CP and no CP. The life draining colossus is the better morph by far imo.
If that is all you personally need to survive this ult then I should be able to use /dancedunmer emote to counter it.
As for people saying that there were organised groups... maybe they were organised as in a bunch of zerglings joined a guild discord channel to feel safe in a pack. They haven't looked lie the kind of overpowered ballgroups I challenge with my negate hoping that my teammates are smart enough to drop their ults.
This necromancer build is actually weaker than a bombblade build as it gives people a chance to fight back, kite and surive. While a bomblade kills almost everyone in a group almost instantly while allowing a nightblade to cloak away. Sure this necromancer could use an invisibility pot to disengage but potions aren't as reliable as cloak.
If you are having problems with this build then just roll dodge, kite, spam your shields and heals.
This nothing but a learn to play issue.2 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭It is OP but I wouldn,t call it the most OP build of all time.
DK hold that title IMO. Back in the days they could survive agaisnt a full group and take a keep solo.
But I'm still surprised necro bash haven't been nerfed upon the first week of elswer.
EDIT: But their is also NB bomber build that can do the same. The difference is the NB require multiple oponement in order to global anyone while goliath can do it all vs a single enemy.Edited by david_m_18b16_ESO on June 12, 2019 3:06PM0 -
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✭UppGRAYxDD wrote: »Grianasteri wrote: »That pink aoe effect... I see lots of PC players with this, which I assume is an add on.
Extremely immersion breaking and I would say to a certain extent, cheating. Console players dont have this, we have to note the actual aoes and deal with how difficult these can be to identify with everything else going on.
You can turn those on in combat ui on console...
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I wont be turning it on, it looks ridiculous and I play for fun and immersion. But each to their own, happy gaming.0 -
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Great debating skills... "If you disagree with me you're wrong."Noobslayer3255 wrote: »Noobslayer3255 wrote: »As a regular PvPer, I am incredibly sick of the whinging. Last year the great Sloads blubfest, now this. L2P.
As a human with a functioning brain, I'm sick of people whining about people complaining about blatantly, obviously, and undeniably overpowered things. Goliath bash is one of if not the most overpowered things we've ever seen in this game.
Not an answer I'd normally give (and one I normally rail against), but L2P.
It's a new type of bomber. That's all.
Yeah, definitely a L2P issue. I mean they only have 50k+ health and can bash weave with any of their attacks for insane damage, or just spam bash for insane damage which bypasses the otherwise universal global cooldown. And it's AoE. The only counterplay is to kite/runaway from them for 20 seconds. That's not counterplay, that's just running.The ability is objectively overpowered and if you think otherwise you are simply wrong.
With this behavior, you need a blog, not a post on the forums. Forums are, by nature, a place of debate. Open your mind a bit. And kiting is a most defensive counterplay, but still a counterplay.
As the wise Maverick said "run away today, so you can live to run away another day". Standing in stupid is for stupid people. Counterplay for stupid IS stepping away. Why not step away from this?
Damn, thick skills can be thick...
You realise the goliath still has access to their skillbar, right? Dunno if the implication of that will sink in, so let's break it down real simple:
You can run. They can also gapclose with shield charge. Guess which is faster?
You can dodgeroll the charge a couple of times. Consecutive dodge cost has a tendency to stack-up real quick, though. Shield charge doesn't. Reckon you can keep that up for 20s?
So you eventually get caught and stunned. Break free and roll?
Yeah...no. Break is tied to the GCD, bash is not. They'll hit first. And good luck with rolling through AoE.
Care to share any other 200 IQ counterplays that no other human in this game has ever previously considered?
You know, no one said or implied you were wrong because you disagreed with the quoted poster (but nice attempt at misrepresentation, anyway). You're wrong because you couldn't process a straightforward sequence of events.Edited by TheYKcid on June 12, 2019 4:41PMPC/NA — Daggerfall Covenant — BGs, Kaalgrontiid
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✭InvictusApollo wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »Reactive and Pirate Skelton, all Armor impen. Armor weight of your choice as Reactive has jewelry and weapons. You’re welcome. I eat these bashing fools for breakfast in CP and no CP. The life draining colossus is the better morph by far imo.
If that is all you personally need to survive this ult then I should be able to use /dancedunmer emote to counter it.
As for people saying that there were organised groups... maybe they were organised as in a bunch of zerglings joined a guild discord channel to feel safe in a pack. They haven't looked lie the kind of overpowered ballgroups I challenge with my negate hoping that my teammates are smart enough to drop their ults.
This necromancer build is actually weaker than a bombblade build as it gives people a chance to fight back, kite and surive. While a bomblade kills almost everyone in a group almost instantly while allowing a nightblade to cloak away. Sure this necromancer could use an invisibility pot to disengage but potions aren't as reliable as cloak.
If you are having problems with this build then just roll dodge, kite, spam your shields and heals.
This nothing but a learn to play issue.
its really hard not to question your parents genetically relationship or your overall knowledge without getting banned. Im not even sure if you are trolling rn. If not pls reevaluate if eso is the game for you.class representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling1 -
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✭✭OlumoGarbag wrote: »InvictusApollo wrote: »Peekachu99 wrote: »Reactive and Pirate Skelton, all Armor impen. Armor weight of your choice as Reactive has jewelry and weapons. You’re welcome. I eat these bashing fools for breakfast in CP and no CP. The life draining colossus is the better morph by far imo.
If that is all you personally need to survive this ult then I should be able to use /dancedunmer emote to counter it.
As for people saying that there were organised groups... maybe they were organised as in a bunch of zerglings joined a guild discord channel to feel safe in a pack. They haven't looked lie the kind of overpowered ballgroups I challenge with my negate hoping that my teammates are smart enough to drop their ults.
This necromancer build is actually weaker than a bombblade build as it gives people a chance to fight back, kite and surive. While a bomblade kills almost everyone in a group almost instantly while allowing a nightblade to cloak away. Sure this necromancer could use an invisibility pot to disengage but potions aren't as reliable as cloak.
If you are having problems with this build then just roll dodge, kite, spam your shields and heals.
This nothing but a learn to play issue.
its really hard not to question your parents genetically relationship or your overall knowledge without getting banned. Im not even sure if you are trolling rn. If not pls reevaluate if eso is the game for you.
"jUsT kItE iT" is basically the new "just slot purge". Just worse, because the forums have apparently lost even more braincells since Summerset, this time last year.PC/NA — Daggerfall Covenant — BGs, Kaalgrontiid
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Great debating skills... "If you disagree with me you're wrong."Noobslayer3255 wrote: »Noobslayer3255 wrote: »As a regular PvPer, I am incredibly sick of the whinging. Last year the great Sloads blubfest, now this. L2P.
As a human with a functioning brain, I'm sick of people whining about people complaining about blatantly, obviously, and undeniably overpowered things. Goliath bash is one of if not the most overpowered things we've ever seen in this game.
Not an answer I'd normally give (and one I normally rail against), but L2P.
It's a new type of bomber. That's all.
Yeah, definitely a L2P issue. I mean they only have 50k+ health and can bash weave with any of their attacks for insane damage, or just spam bash for insane damage which bypasses the otherwise universal global cooldown. And it's AoE. The only counterplay is to kite/runaway from them for 20 seconds. That's not counterplay, that's just running.The ability is objectively overpowered and if you think otherwise you are simply wrong.
With this behavior, you need a blog, not a post on the forums. Forums are, by nature, a place of debate. Open your mind a bit. And kiting is a most defensive counterplay, but still a counterplay.
As the wise Maverick said "run away today, so you can live to run away another day". Standing in stupid is for stupid people. Counterplay for stupid IS stepping away. Why not step away from this?
Damn, thick skills can be thick...
You realise the goliath still has access to their skillbar, right? Dunno if the implication of that will sink in, so let's break it down real simple:
You can run. They can also gapclose with shield charge. Guess which is faster?
You can dodgeroll the charge a couple of times. Consecutive dodge cost has a tendency to stack-up real quick, though. Shield charge doesn't. Reckon you can keep that up for 20s?
So you eventually get caught and stunned. Break free and roll?
Yeah...no. Break is tied to the GCD, bash is not. They'll hit first. And good luck with rolling through AoE.
Care to share any other 200 IQ counterplays that no other human in this game has ever previously considered?
You know, no one said or implied you were wrong because you disagreed with the quoted poster (but nice attempt at misrepresentation, anyway). You're wrong because you couldn't process a straightforward sequence of events.
If everyone ran, tell me... How many times can the Goliath split itself to gapclose after everyone?
It'll kill one here, another there, but not bomb the whole group. Simple as that. Been a looong time since I've been killed by even bombblades. I'm not easy to kill, granted, but I don't stay and try to kill a freaking bomber. I haul butt and try to cover somewhere.
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✭Hah and still I am firmly in the opinion that the vamp MagDk after the launch was the strongest ever in this game.A is for Atronach.
B is for Bungler's Bane.
C is for Comberry.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Well real quick - about everyone is ranged in BGs today
Everyone is running speed, and snare immunity
Everyone also has snares
The best time to Goliath is when everyone is on you, but after a few die the rest peace; meaning getting a ton out of in BGs is hard1 -
Soul Trap...
"The most powerful build evar" has... soul trap?
Is that just because someone wants soulstones or am I missing something here? Because I've literally never used this ability, seeing it as a waste - because I don't need soulstones. Every other ability seems stronger than this.
Is it the soulstones? The Aoe? Or is there some bug with this ability I've never known about that makes it really strong? LOL
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✭✭If only their were sets or abilities that could reduce incoming aoe damage.Caius
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Well real quick - about everyone is ranged in BGs today
Everyone is running speed, and snare immunity
Everyone also has snares
The best time to Goliath is when everyone is on you, but after a few die the rest peace; meaning getting a ton out of in BGs is hard
Necro can also cast Beckoning Armor, which chains ranged attackers to them every 3 seconds, so he/she doesn't have to chase after them. Chain, bash, get blown up by exploding players: game over.0 -
TriangularChicken✭✭✭✭here comes something mind blowing: if you bash, your character gets slowed down for a bit.
..and shield charge is block- and dodgeable. if you eat the stun and don't break free for 3-4 seconds then it's not the enemies fault..1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Well real quick - about everyone is ranged in BGs today
Everyone is running speed, and snare immunity
Everyone also has snares
The best time to Goliath is when everyone is on you, but after a few die the rest peace; meaning getting a ton out of in BGs is hard
Necro can also cast Beckoning Armor, which chains ranged attackers to them every 3 seconds, so he/she doesn't have to chase after them. Chain, bash, get blown up by exploding players: game over.
It doesn't really proc reliably against bow fyi, and second I really hope that only works against a player once at most1 -
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✭Waffennacht wrote: »Show me ANY Necro build doing well in 50+ BGs...
Please?
well this build is doing 30+ kills in deathmatches so its viablemystkldrgnb14_ESO wrote: »Soul Trap...
"The most powerful build evar" has... soul trap?
Is that just because someone wants soulstones or am I missing something here? Because I've literally never used this ability, seeing it as a waste - because I don't need soulstones. Every other ability seems stronger than this.
Is it the soulstones? The Aoe? Or is there some bug with this ability I've never known about that makes it really strong? LOL
not many people know that but if you dont run any mundus and slot soultrap, while at the same time running crusty bread buff food you get 40% more gullibleEdited by OlumoGarbag on June 12, 2019 7:05PMclass representative for the working class, non-cp, bwb and Trolling3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭People have been asking for what... months, years, decades for an answer to large ball groups in Cyrodiil. Well there is your answer. And standing on a flag you should always have shields up if you have them and be holding block. Don't know it that will help against this ulti but you should be doing it anyway.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭@OlumoGarbag show me 50+ BGs with 30+ kills on this build.
I've found that even running pure ult gen build, you do not get more than a handful of transformations before the match is over.
I have yet to see a build that can Goliath good and non-goliath good and Goliath up time is low; even when you build specifically for max uptime2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Noobslayer3255 wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Noobslayer3255 wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Noobslayer3255 wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »I don't know... Maybe kiting while hitting them with ranged to charge your own ult for when it's over is straight out...
Right, because the goliath just stands there. It's not like it still has full access to all of its skills to gap close, cc, get major expedition, and cleanse snares.
Again, the only realistic option is to runaway for 20 seconds. That's not legitimate counterplay.
The bash still costs stamina, avoid the bash, hit the giant target with ranged, be careful of the pull (that has it's own cooldown) and wait it out. You'll have a target drained of Stam when it's all over... It's only a few weeks into playing/playing against necromancers... Try different tactics.
Right, so just run away.
So it's tactical kiting when you're playing "ring around the resource" but "running away" when you need to stay out of melee range of an ult that also drains a main resource pool? Intriguing.
I'm not here to argue semantics. Call it kiting, call it running away, it doesn't matter. Kiting because you're outnumbered and need to find opportunities to pick off opponents while LoSing is reasonable. Kiting for 20 seconds because one person used an ultimate is a joke.
When the best argument they can come up with as to why it's not OP is you can run from it then you know the debate is officially over and you have won.
More to the point - that bash spam crap is just ridiculous. Not to mention it's not exactly easy to run away from anyway considering it doesn't seem to slow them down in any way. If anything, it's one of the fastest moves in the game.
Frankly PvP on this game just continues to get more and more stupid. I often ask myself why I even put myself through the absurdity of it. If it wasn't for the rewards I can tell you I sure wouldn't be doing it because I certainly don't do it for "fun".Edited by Jeremy on June 12, 2019 9:23PM1 -
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✭Not most op ever, but I'm gonna give a shoutout to two weeks of op enchantments when murkmire was released. Dw/dw had quad torugs infused enchantments. So awesome.
Now bis for dw is poisons. Crown store poisons included.1 -
godchucknzilla✭✭✭Colecovision wrote: »Not most op ever, but I'm gonna give a shoutout to two weeks of op enchantments when murkmire was released. Dw/dw had quad torugs infused enchantments. So awesome.
Now bis for dw is poisons. Crown store poisons included.
They nerfed enchants proc'ing off of dots fast. That was some serious fun on my stam sorc for like 2 weeks.0 -
Gorilla✭✭✭Siohwenoeht wrote: »Noobslayer3255 wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »Noobslayer3255 wrote: »Siohwenoeht wrote: »I don't know... Maybe kiting while hitting them with ranged to charge your own ult for when it's over is straight out...
Right, because the goliath just stands there. It's not like it still has full access to all of its skills to gap close, cc, get major expedition, and cleanse snares.
Again, the only realistic option is to runaway for 20 seconds. That's not legitimate counterplay.
The bash still costs stamina, avoid the bash, hit the giant target with ranged, be careful of the pull (that has it's own cooldown) and wait it out. You'll have a target drained of Stam when it's all over... It's only a few weeks into playing/playing against necromancers... Try different tactics.
Right, so just run away.
So it's tactical kiting when you're playing "ring around the resource" but "running away" when you need to stay out of melee range of an ult that also drains a main resource pool? Intriguing.
1v1 one I'd agree with you, but you're comment seems overly dismissive of the context. A 50k bomber spamming at a choke or gathering point is powerful. It changes the dynamic of the siege or play -- fundamentally. Sure, 20 people can kite around, but in confined space 50% will still get the AoE ding.
Frankly it looks like my NBs spam essence on a high crit build against overland mobs. Or 2x that same build against guards.
I don't know if its OP, but it sure has an interesting burst.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Didn't some of our class reps and others play test this? Was it not like this when they play tested it?
I ask because I figure Zos would listen to them more than players and maybe those experts think this is ok. Yes, I have seen one state how this is an ultimate so it should be strong1
