Lost passion for ESO due to lag/bugs/techincal issues - A sad day :(

Tommy_The_Gun · June 2019

I feel your pain OP.
I play this game since launch (2014). Mostly on my main. I have been doing all types of content. PvE. PvE. Vet content. Solo content. Group content. BGs. Everything. And sadly I have to admit: the current state of the game performance (both fps and server lag) make the experience much worse than it ussed to be. It was getting worse & worse gradually.

You know that gruesome experiment with a frog ? If you put it into hot water it will jump out immediately. But, if you put the frog into a cold water, and start boiling it, poor frog wont notice it and it will be boiled alive.
^ I think that is the perfect analogy to current multiple technical issuse the game has. With water being the game, the players beeing the frog and the water's temperature beeing server & game performance.

Now look, my main is Argonian NB. I am very attached to it and my in-game avatar means a lot to me. Right after Murkmire (which I preorderd, despite the fact It was be available for free), I also bought this super, unreasonably expensive Murkmire house... Right after that... We had a racial rebalance. It literally felt like ZOS is stabbing me in the back.
With racial changes... Well lets just say that I was not able to do vet content anymore (my main is a NB hybrid tank, probably the last of its kind). I basically stopped doing pve end game content. I said farewell and goodby to every one in my guild. It was heart breaking, but it had to be done. And now we had Elsweyr... and a huge NB nerf. Once again I felt betreyed and almost as if ZOS was stabbing me in the back again. This time it was even worse and situation was beyond hopeless. This time, I quitted PvP. Saying goodbye to every one on the Zone chat was heart breking. I aproched the way-shrine, looked at Cyro one last time... and ported back to pve zones. I literally cried irl.

Now all I do is daily crafting quests. Nothing more. I dont even feel like questing is joyfull. The only reson I bought Elsweyr is my main and the lack of other TES game. Also, I have said to myself: "If I have done every quest that there was, if I am not doing pve & pvp... then maybe this Elsweyr zone will be a good time killer." But I was only partially right. After doing Elsweyr main story line... I somehow dont feel like questing is joyfull.

So far for me it was the worst year in ESO. I really hope, that next year will be better. Well it better be because Bakldur's Gate III has been annouced, plus there are some other cool games comming out. ZOS will have tough nut to crack.

Sorry for this pessimistic post, but when you play a game that was fun & engaging, and suddenly all that is left is the "job" part of the game and no matter what you do, you are sad and melancholic instead of beeing happy... I hope you understand

omegatay_ESO · June 2019

Starlight_Knight wrote: »

Sadly this post will be deleted as "quitting threads" aren't aloud - but 'im with you on this one, Lag and performance in ESO is the NUMBER 1 reason why people leave.

Actually any topic that paints eso/zos in a bad way gets closed or deleated. Zos fix your issues, rather than silencing them.

Mariusghost84 · June 2019

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

I feel your pain OP.
I play this game since launch (2014). Mostly on my main. I have been doing all types of content. PvE. PvE. Vet content. Solo content. Group content. BGs. Everything. And sadly I have to admit: the current state of the game performance (both fps and server lag) make the experience much worse than it ussed to be. It was getting worse & worse gradually.

You know that gruesome experiment with a frog ? If you put it into hot water it will jump out immediately. But, if you put the frog into a cold water, and start boiling it, poor frog wont notice it and it will be boiled alive.
^ I think that is the perfect analogy to current multiple technical issuse the game has. With water being the game, the players beeing the frog and the water's temperature beeing server & game performance.

Now look, my main is Argonian NB. I am very attached to it and my in-game avatar means a lot to me. Right after Murkmire (which I preorderd, despite the fact It was be available for free), I also bought this super, unreasonably expensive Murkmire house... Right after that... We had a racial rebalance. It literally felt like ZOS is stabbing me in the back.
With racial changes... Well lets just say that I was not able to do vet content anymore (my main is a NB hybrid tank, probably the last of its kind). I basically stopped doing pve end game content. I said ferewell and goodby to every one in my guild. It was heart breaking, but it had to be done. And now we had Elsweyr... and a huge NB nerf. Once again I betreyed and almost as if ZOS was stabbing me in the back again. This time it was even worse and situation was beyond hopeless. This time, I quitted PvP. Saying goodby to every one on the Zone chat was heart breking. I aproched the way-shrine, looked at Cyro one last time... and ported back to pve zones. I literly cried irl.

Now all I do is daily crafting quests. Nothing more. I dont even feel like questing is joyfull. The only reson I bought Elsweyr is my main and the lack of other TES game. Also, I have said to myself: "If I have done every quest that there was, if I am not doing pve & pvp... then maybe this Elsweyr zone will be a good time killer. But I was only partally right. After doing Elsweyr main story line... I somehow dont feel like questing is joyfull.

So far for me it was the worst year in ESO. I really hope, that next year will be better. Well it better be because Bakdur's Gate III has been annouced, plus there are some other cool games comming out. ZOS will have tough nut to crack.

Sorry for this pessimistic post, but when you play a game that was fun & engaging, and suddenly all that is left is the "job" part of the game and no matter what you do, you are sad and melancholic instead of beeing happy... I hope you understand

I understand man. As myself you obviously care deeply about your character and this game is important to you. Thanks for sharing your story! In your case however, it sounds like the situation can be saved by you "adjusting your attitude" a bit ( since you obviously dont have any major technical issues? ). I get it that your are very attatched to you main ( argonian, NB ) .- i Would recomand starting a new main that you eventually will like as much as the previous one. I mean, without PVE and PVP i cant imagine there is anything to keep you playing! I started out with 1 main char, Stam NB. Eventually i made around 12 characters, all with their individual stories and i had to "justify" in my head the reason for making them. I once was like you and couldnt stand the idea of several chars, but i promise you it opened up a whole new aspect of the game for me!

Suddwrath · June 2019

Sorry to see you go after having invested so much time in the game

These are the perfect threads for ZOS to step in and actually communicate with the community rather than just locking them down.

With as bad as the bugs and performance has been lately, it really does confuse me why pushing new content is the priority rather than fixing existing content. Sure, new content is going to bring in new players, but those new players aren’t going to stay around and continue to invest their money into the game when they see how bad the performance is. You’d think keeping players around to invest with their subscriptions/crowns would net ZOS more money.

KoultouraS · June 2019

SaltySudd wrote: »

These are the perfect threads for ZOS to step in and actually communicate with the community rather than just locking them down.
.

They will close it soon , under the no "I quit" thread rule, instead.
Their so called commitment to better communication is as real as the chance of ever fixing the lag.

essi2 · June 2019

It is sad to say, but I play less than I usually do when the guilds I'm in are active.
And it is mostly because I'm just tired of all the issues all the time, I can't remember a time without serious issues either with input lag or *** just being plain broken.

InvictusApollo · June 2019

sekekama21554 wrote: »

It’s night and day the performance of the WOW servers compared to the ESOrry servers.
Can you go from the southern most tip of the map to the northern most part without a load screen in eso? no

In WOW you can.

My latency is eso is always 140ms +
Wow my latency is 30-50ms on a bad day

That ping! Give it to me in ESo! If only WoW had less cartoony and more high definition graphics I would swap.

Goregrinder · June 2019

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

gp1680 · June 2019

OP - admire the fact that you admit you fell in love with PVP after giving it a shot. I had the same thing happen over a year ago. PVP opened the door to all new challenges that made the game more fun.

The performance in this game has been subpar for some time now. Sadly, ZOS doesn’t seem too concerned. The ESO forum nazis will eventually close up this thread in order to silence the complaints, but the fact is they’ve done a *** poor job and most of the actual player base knows it. Good luck in your gaming journey and I hope you have reason to come back in the future!!

LiraTaurwen · June 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

Blinkin8r · June 2019

Sadly, I'm right there with you OP. I've done pretty much everything there is to do in PVE minus crazy stuff like TTT. I recently got Grand Overlord in Cyrodiil and was planning on starting from the bottom with a necro and doing it all over again. But failing to address the combat glitch with this chapter update, failing to stop the random load screens during keep battles, and now adding constant server rollbacks immediately killed it for me. How does the idea of being kicked from the server and rolled back 10 minutes in a game like this sound good to any game developer on this planet? Zos amazes me every time.

Chaos2088 · June 2019

I’ve stopped playing like I used to, till they sort out the issues with the game, I used to pvp a lot and do dungeons, trials etc etc....but meh.....

I log on to do my crafting writs that’s about it atm.

Wolfpaw · June 2019

FierceSam wrote: »

Nicely put.

Sadly it’s somewhat obvious that ZOS could not give a toss about this..

They’re currently dropping or throttling functionality in the hope that enough people leave so that they don’t have to invest in any additional infrastructure.

You’ve got to wonder what those parties at E3 are like. The atmosphere must be so stenchy that not even Cheerleader Finn can manage any real enthusiasm,

ZOS doesn't care because much of the community does not, proven over & over again...did you buy Elsweyr (to the community, not you specifically)? Sub? Crown store?

If you did, you told ZOS it was ok.

Mr. Firor working on a new engine & game...eso is a digital store to play dress-up.

LiraTaurwen · June 2019

Wolfpaw wrote: »

FierceSam wrote: »

Nicely put.

Sadly it’s somewhat obvious that ZOS could not give a toss about this..

They’re currently dropping or throttling functionality in the hope that enough people leave so that they don’t have to invest in any additional infrastructure.

You’ve got to wonder what those parties at E3 are like. The atmosphere must be so stenchy that not even Cheerleader Finn can manage any real enthusiasm,

ZOS doesn't care because much of the community does not, proven over & over again...did you buy Elsweyr (to the community, not you specifically)? Sub? Crown store?

If you did, you told ZOS it was ok.

Mr. Firor working on a new engine & game...eso is a digital store to play dress-up.

Yup most topics are about fluff in this forum, most players do activities that are not affected by performance that much so they don't care. They should because one day it might affect them aswell but so is the nature of humans...most are selfish and some even get angry when others come here to complaint.

TriangularChicken · June 2019

UntrustedExistenz wrote: »

Can't belive no one done this to this moment. So I will be first. Can I have your stuff?

Seriously, it's sad, that so experienced player as you are leaving, but it think it isn't your last word in world of ESO
Had few breaks on last 5 years, but in the end of the day nostalgia from ES lore hits like a truck.

people are fed up, the "can i have your stuff" meme is not fun any more.. everything in this game is bugged..

Dusk_Coven · June 2019

A long time ago I was playing Neverwinter Online. Enough to actually put money into it.
Then (mysteriously happening AFTER I gave them money) I started getting periods where I couldn't login at all for hours at a time, if not the entire day.
I got ZERO response from their customer service. So I quit.

Here in ESO some people are obviously having a very hard time with technical issues. I also am having that in fact, with upwards of 20 disconnects per day.

But the difference is Customer Service actually tries to work with me to solve it. And Community Managers step forward and acknowledge there are issues and keep us updated on what they are doing to fix it.

I'm not saying this to tout ESO or encourage you to stay, but just offering a comparison that we could be dealing with a worse and utterly money-minded heartless company.

In the meantime, the player affected could:
- Cancel your subscription. If you stop giving them money you'll probably feel better right away.
- Try to play or log in for the sometimes good daily rewards -- or just walk away for a month or so and look in later to see if things have changed
- Keep track of the days where it is unplayable (and you didn't play). I think there's a case for asking for your ESO+ subscription to be extended by that many days in compensation for what is not your fault while your subscription continues to tick away.

And in the meantime I think everyone could at least be civil. For the part of the Community Managers I think they could (and have?) given us daily updates.

Goregrinder · June 2019

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

I have accepted that in life, things could always be worse....waaaay worse. And to dwell on the things you cannot control only wastes your time, which is a resource that cannot be made, bought, or even found. We would all benefit from driving Porsche Ceyenne's, but that doesn't mean your honda civic is bad, some people have to take the bus to work.

PVPing in Cyrodiil with 200+ ping, is still a waay better experience overall than PVP in Anchorhead back in the day, with 300+ ping, on 56k, at below 30fps. The reality is that most ESO players have over 100+ ping, so we are all on the same playing field as far as actual effectiveness in combat.

If everyone was at 40ms latency, but you were at 200+, then I would understand your frustration as you would be the only one at a hindrance. But we're all being hindered in a similar fashion.

Jeremy · June 2019

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

This game has been a huge part of my life for the last 3-4 years , i have around amazing 4300 hours invested in it. It took me 2 years to achieve flawless conqueror (greatest achievement in my gaming history, the process behind this was incredible!) on my stam DK and pass 40k dps (which became an obsession in itself! I have spent so much time reading through your posts and insight behind the game mechanics). Not to mention to max out my crafting (2,5 years off and on to get all traits)! I simple LOVE the interesting voiced over quests, the way the classes are designed(freedom to create all sorts of specs) and the BEAUTIFUL world. I came from wow and this game was an improvement in every single way imaginable (as far as PvE goes, which was all i ever did).

After being "forced" to PVP in ESO for transmute crystals and PvE skills (I promised myself never to step into BG/CYRO after i got my caltrops on my main lol ) something unpredictable happened.... I fell in love with concept of PVP. The last 6 months ive been trying out different classes and builds and doing Cyrodil and Battlegrounds.Ive been watching countless vids of specs and setups and having a blast!However - I can sadly not longer ignore the vast technical issues of this game. The lag in Cyrodil (combined with low dps due to having a good computer) and the broken Battlegrounds que system being my biggest issues. The sad part is, it doesn't look like ZOS is planning to do anything what so ever about this, they havent even acknowledged many of these issues! I was willing to look past the low FPS (even with a 3000$ dollar rig ) and the insanly long loading screens.. But the lag in Cyrodil, and the broken LFG/Que system is just not acceptable. Half my matches the group never gets enough players to even begin, and i get deserter after leaving.

Couple of days ago i decided to try out PVP in WOW, something i never really got into the 10 years i played it. The experience was by FAR superior to eso in every single way. The Arena and Battleground que system works smooth. There is no lag, what so ever - and it doesnt hurt that the game itself runs with high dps on max settings, and loadingscreens are 1/10 of the times of ESOs - without even exaggerating!

I wasnt planning of returning to WOW at ALL. I mean, i have 4300 hours ingame and untill recently i had a new 2 year plan in ESO on things i wanted to achieve. However, since i tend to do nothing but PVP anymore - Wow preformance simply shines compared to eso! I would NEVER in my life imagine that techincal issues would make me lose PASSION for ESO, im actually sad as hell while writing this right now. If all i did was PVE i would have stayed in eso no doubt, but with my newly discovered enthusiasm for PVP - the technical state of Elder Scrolls Online is just a horrible mess and ZOS should be ashamed of themselves!

I just wanted to thank all of you guys for being with me on this journey and helping me along the way. These forums were a blast to read over the few years, ive learned so much and you guys are simply my type of crowd! I wanted to write this down cause im a passionate guy and it felt right sharing my thoughts with you.

Edit: Come to think of it, players like myself are probably main reason why this isn't getting fixed and deemed as acceptable. Ive spent large amounts of money of the Crownstore. I couldn't help it, i got so cought up in all the cool and convenient stuff in there. This convenience came with a price it turns out.

PvP can crush your enthusiasm for the game faster than anything else - especially if you find yourself up against players who know how to take advantage of the damage imbalances. So I can understand where you are coming from. The performance issues can be pretty bad also - especially in Cyrodil where ability delays and lag can kill you nearly as often as blood thirsty players. I've even had load screens pop up before mid fight....

Although I believe Elder Scrolls Online generally is a superior game to World of Warcraft - I have to admit World of Warcraft does have a better PvP system. It runs much smoother and the classes have far more effective options to defend themselves with. This game's PvP is simply too vulnerable to "zerg" tactics turning it into what is essentially a lame numbers game. This is admittedly an issue on any game's PvP - but it's far more so in this one. Games like World of Warcraft are simply better designed to accommodate large scale PvP. For all this game's boasts of being aimed at large scale PvP, it actually does it very poorly. At least in my opinion.

Tigerseye · June 2019

WoW does (or did, when I played it) work better.

When you complain about ESO's (never-fixed) bugs and stuff, some people say "It's an MMO, all MMOs are like this.".

Well, no.....no, they are not.

None of the MMOs I played previously (or since I first played this) have been anything like as bad as ESO is, from that point of view.

To be fair, GW2 WvW is now very laggy (it was better before) and I can't comment on the PVP here, as there is no way I would even try it, given what PVE is like; but, WoW BGs, horrible as they could be in other ways (e.g. socially!) were never laggy, or unplayable.

The only real bugs in WoW seem to be at the launch of new content and are (or were, when I played it) fairly swiftly dealt with.

You would never have a WoW bug still left in the game a year later, let alone new content being made after that which still had the same bug in it.

...and I never noticed WoW combat bugs being "embraced" as features.

ESO has a lot going for it, in terms of the creative aspects, but you really do need to have the patience of a saint, in terms of its functionality.

Minno · June 2019

will bet money their "server upgrade" was a change in server providers that costs less per month lol.

Nordic__Knights · June 2019

Im out the door on this one to 5 years of the game getting buggy with each new patch and pvp taking the biggest hits always with no real fix to its system even the new necromancer class has targeting issues when blastbones just stands and looks at your target never reacting its time to fix the system oh you can find video of said actions on YouTube your welcome zos maybe your working as attended replies can talk its way around an video showing its not since you dont listen when reports are made to you about your broken game

EvilAutoTech · June 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

When you complain about ESO's (never-fixed) bugs and stuff, some people say "It's an MMO, all MMOs are like this.".

The response should be "All TES games are like this." The majority of bug fixes for TES 3, 4 and 5 came from the modding community. Even in Skyrim SE, you could use alchemy plus enchanting to make yourself an immortal who could oneshot anything. You wanna know how to get that fixed? Modders.

wavingblue · June 2019

I'm feeling the same way, it's getting harder and harder to deal with the issues.

Tigerseye · June 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

I have accepted that in life, things could always be worse....waaaay worse. And to dwell on the things you cannot control only wastes your time, which is a resource that cannot be made, bought, or even found. We would all benefit from driving Porsche Ceyenne's, but that doesn't mean your honda civic is bad, some people have to take the bus to work.

PVPing in Cyrodiil with 200+ ping, is still a waay better experience overall than PVP in Anchorhead back in the day, with 300+ ping, on 56k, at below 30fps. The reality is that most ESO players have over 100+ ping, so we are all on the same playing field as far as actual effectiveness in combat.

If everyone was at 40ms latency, but you were at 200+, then I would understand your frustration as you would be the only one at a hindrance. But we're all being hindered in a similar fashion.

tl;dr: Don't complain, know your place, don't expect anything from anyone (even if you've paid for it), don't get above your station and as long as everyone is suffering equally, it's all good?

Yeah, thanks for that, very helpful... ><

Goregrinder · June 2019

Tigerseye wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

I have accepted that in life, things could always be worse....waaaay worse. And to dwell on the things you cannot control only wastes your time, which is a resource that cannot be made, bought, or even found. We would all benefit from driving Porsche Ceyenne's, but that doesn't mean your honda civic is bad, some people have to take the bus to work.

PVPing in Cyrodiil with 200+ ping, is still a waay better experience overall than PVP in Anchorhead back in the day, with 300+ ping, on 56k, at below 30fps. The reality is that most ESO players have over 100+ ping, so we are all on the same playing field as far as actual effectiveness in combat.

If everyone was at 40ms latency, but you were at 200+, then I would understand your frustration as you would be the only one at a hindrance. But we're all being hindered in a similar fashion.

tl;dr: Don't complain, know your place, don't expect anything from anyone (even if you've paid for it), don't get above your station and as long as everyone is suffering equally, it's all good?

Yeah, thanks for that, very helpful... ><

Wait....where in the TOS does it state that you are paying for low latency, or even a latency lower than 100ms? Screenshot it and link it here.

LiraTaurwen · June 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

I have accepted that in life, things could always be worse....waaaay worse. And to dwell on the things you cannot control only wastes your time, which is a resource that cannot be made, bought, or even found. We would all benefit from driving Porsche Ceyenne's, but that doesn't mean your honda civic is bad, some people have to take the bus to work.

PVPing in Cyrodiil with 200+ ping, is still a waay better experience overall than PVP in Anchorhead back in the day, with 300+ ping, on 56k, at below 30fps. The reality is that most ESO players have over 100+ ping, so we are all on the same playing field as far as actual effectiveness in combat.

If everyone was at 40ms latency, but you were at 200+, then I would understand your frustration as you would be the only one at a hindrance. But we're all being hindered in a similar fashion.

tl;dr: Don't complain, know your place, don't expect anything from anyone (even if you've paid for it), don't get above your station and as long as everyone is suffering equally, it's all good?

Yeah, thanks for that, very helpful... ><

Wait....where in the TOS does it state that you are paying for low latency, or even a latency lower than 100ms? Screenshot it and link it here.

Duhhhh

Great help, its because of this attitude that this game will only get worse, after all people are willing to put up with everything and always find excuses to defend ZoS lol

idk · June 2019

Turelus wrote: »

Sad to see people going, hopefully they solve the issues and you can come back and find the game fresh and fun again.

Also if you've cancelled a ESO Plus sub there is an email address in the confirmation you get which lets you give feedback as to why you've left. This is a good way to leave a constructive reply for the teams at ZOS to see (as they may not see the forum threads made).

Very true. However, the type of person that would leave ESO for WoW is doubtful to ever return.

Nordic__Knights · June 2019

Im just happy skyrim still out there to be played bye bye eso back to the roots i go see you now

Goregrinder · June 2019

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

I have accepted that in life, things could always be worse....waaaay worse. And to dwell on the things you cannot control only wastes your time, which is a resource that cannot be made, bought, or even found. We would all benefit from driving Porsche Ceyenne's, but that doesn't mean your honda civic is bad, some people have to take the bus to work.

PVPing in Cyrodiil with 200+ ping, is still a waay better experience overall than PVP in Anchorhead back in the day, with 300+ ping, on 56k, at below 30fps. The reality is that most ESO players have over 100+ ping, so we are all on the same playing field as far as actual effectiveness in combat.

If everyone was at 40ms latency, but you were at 200+, then I would understand your frustration as you would be the only one at a hindrance. But we're all being hindered in a similar fashion.

tl;dr: Don't complain, know your place, don't expect anything from anyone (even if you've paid for it), don't get above your station and as long as everyone is suffering equally, it's all good?

Yeah, thanks for that, very helpful... ><

Wait....where in the TOS does it state that you are paying for low latency, or even a latency lower than 100ms? Screenshot it and link it here.

Duhhhh

Great help, its because of this attitude that this game will only get worse, after all people are willing to put up with everything and always find excuses to defend ZoS lol

I'm not defending excuses or any problems ESO may have. I am defending all of the great things ESO DOES have, and holding on to one of the very last good MMORPG's of my generation, and one of the last MMORPG's with good PVP. Everything else out there is trash imo. So I will defend ESO with my wallet until something better comes along....(which is doubtful....unless Camelot Unchained finally launches).

MartiniDaniels · June 2019

Goregrinder wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

I have accepted that in life, things could always be worse....waaaay worse. And to dwell on the things you cannot control only wastes your time, which is a resource that cannot be made, bought, or even found. We would all benefit from driving Porsche Ceyenne's, but that doesn't mean your honda civic is bad, some people have to take the bus to work.

PVPing in Cyrodiil with 200+ ping, is still a waay better experience overall than PVP in Anchorhead back in the day, with 300+ ping, on 56k, at below 30fps. The reality is that most ESO players have over 100+ ping, so we are all on the same playing field as far as actual effectiveness in combat.

If everyone was at 40ms latency, but you were at 200+, then I would understand your frustration as you would be the only one at a hindrance. But we're all being hindered in a similar fashion.

tl;dr: Don't complain, know your place, don't expect anything from anyone (even if you've paid for it), don't get above your station and as long as everyone is suffering equally, it's all good?

Yeah, thanks for that, very helpful... ><

Wait....where in the TOS does it state that you are paying for low latency, or even a latency lower than 100ms? Screenshot it and link it here.

Duhhhh

Great help, its because of this attitude that this game will only get worse, after all people are willing to put up with everything and always find excuses to defend ZoS lol

I'm not defending excuses or any problems ESO may have. I am defending all of the great things ESO DOES have, and holding on to one of the very last good MMORPG's of my generation, and one of the last MMORPG's with good PVP. Everything else out there is trash imo. So I will defend ESO with my wallet until something better comes along....(which is doubtful....unless Camelot Unchained finally launches).

No matter how good is your car, if it is broken and cannot ride, it is trash metal until you fix it.