Lost passion for ESO due to lag/bugs/techincal issues - A sad day :(

Tigerseye

Goregrinder wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

I have accepted that in life, things could always be worse....waaaay worse. And to dwell on the things you cannot control only wastes your time, which is a resource that cannot be made, bought, or even found. We would all benefit from driving Porsche Ceyenne's, but that doesn't mean your honda civic is bad, some people have to take the bus to work.

PVPing in Cyrodiil with 200+ ping, is still a waay better experience overall than PVP in Anchorhead back in the day, with 300+ ping, on 56k, at below 30fps. The reality is that most ESO players have over 100+ ping, so we are all on the same playing field as far as actual effectiveness in combat.

If everyone was at 40ms latency, but you were at 200+, then I would understand your frustration as you would be the only one at a hindrance. But we're all being hindered in a similar fashion.

tl;dr: Don't complain, know your place, don't expect anything from anyone (even if you've paid for it), don't get above your station and as long as everyone is suffering equally, it's all good?

Yeah, thanks for that, very helpful... ><

Wait....where in the TOS does it state that you are paying for low latency, or even a latency lower than 100ms? Screenshot it and link it here.

No, not "Wait...".

I said nothing about us, directly, paying for a lack of latency.

Or, rather, I didn't suggest that you were saying that, seeing as I was doing a tl;dr of your defeatist attitude.

Although, I think it's fair to say that most new player's enthusiam for pouring money into the game would be somewhat dampened if they realised there was little, to no, interest in fixing lag, or bugs.

When people pay for fripperies in a game, they tend to assume that, by doing so, they will also be contributing to the upkeep of a properly functioning game to use them in.

Otherwise, what would be the point?

Stop attempting to straw man.

Goregrinder

Tigerseye wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

Tigerseye wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

LiraTaurwen wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

I've had moments like this in ESO, but then I remember the days of playing SWG on a 56k modem, and how I made it work back then. Then I realize how ESO's lag on a bad day, is better than SWG on 56k on a good day. And then I am happy again.

So you accept that this company does nothing to improve performance just because you played another bad game?
Low standards indeed dude! We would all benefit from this improvements, don't set your expectations so low...this only gives ZoS more incentive to pretend all is good.

I have accepted that in life, things could always be worse....waaaay worse. And to dwell on the things you cannot control only wastes your time, which is a resource that cannot be made, bought, or even found. We would all benefit from driving Porsche Ceyenne's, but that doesn't mean your honda civic is bad, some people have to take the bus to work.

PVPing in Cyrodiil with 200+ ping, is still a waay better experience overall than PVP in Anchorhead back in the day, with 300+ ping, on 56k, at below 30fps. The reality is that most ESO players have over 100+ ping, so we are all on the same playing field as far as actual effectiveness in combat.

If everyone was at 40ms latency, but you were at 200+, then I would understand your frustration as you would be the only one at a hindrance. But we're all being hindered in a similar fashion.

tl;dr: Don't complain, know your place, don't expect anything from anyone (even if you've paid for it), don't get above your station and as long as everyone is suffering equally, it's all good?

Yeah, thanks for that, very helpful... ><

Wait....where in the TOS does it state that you are paying for low latency, or even a latency lower than 100ms? Screenshot it and link it here.

No, not "Wait...".

I said nothing about us, directly, paying for a lack of latency.

Or, rather, I didn't suggest that you were saying that, seeing as I was doing a tl;dr of your defeatist attitude.

Although, I think it's fair to say that most new player's enthusiam for pouring money into the game would be somewhat dampened if they realised there was little, to no, interest in fixing lag, or bugs.

When people pay for fripperies in a game, they tend to assume that, by doing so, they will also be contributing to the upkeep of a properly functioning game to use them in.

Otherwise, what would be the point?

Stop attempting to straw man.

You wrote: "...don't expect anything from anyone (even if you've paid for it)..."

Even if you paid for "it"...paid for what? I was referring to the games latency with my 56k comparison. So did we all pay for low latency with our ESO purchases, is that what you are saying? And if so, how exactly do you figure that?

Tigerseye

Go troll someone else.

You're boring me.

stpdmonkey

I have created a poll to help pressure zos into fixing these bugs. We need some serious input and a much higher number of votes to hope to do anything.

stpdmonkey

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/479357/poll-performance-fix-or-new-content-make-your-opinion-known#latest
Please help me out here. Tell your friends and let's get it rolling

Rohamad_Ali

As to why many of us have been absent of late , the op has captured a snapshot of the games biggest issue . Performance is most important in pvp . It is why many will go away to even play less pretty games . It is that important .

Hyperion616

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

This game has been a huge part of my life for the last 3-4 years , i have around amazing 4300 hours invested in it. It took me 2 years to achieve flawless conqueror (greatest achievement in my gaming history, the process behind this was incredible!) on my stam DK and pass 40k dps (which became an obsession in itself! I have spent so much time reading through your posts and insight behind the game mechanics). Not to mention to max out my crafting (2,5 years off and on to get all traits)! I simple LOVE the interesting voiced over quests, the way the classes are designed(freedom to create all sorts of specs) and the BEAUTIFUL world. I came from wow and this game was an improvement in every single way imaginable (as far as PvE goes, which was all i ever did).

After being "forced" to PVP in ESO for transmute crystals and PvE skills (I promised myself never to step into BG/CYRO after i got my caltrops on my main lol ) something unpredictable happened.... I fell in love with concept of PVP. The last 6 months ive been trying out different classes and builds and doing Cyrodil and Battlegrounds.Ive been watching countless vids of specs and setups and having a blast!However - I can sadly not longer ignore the vast technical issues of this game. The lag in Cyrodil (combined with low dps due to having a good computer) and the broken Battlegrounds que system being my biggest issues. The sad part is, it doesn't look like ZOS is planning to do anything what so ever about this, they havent even acknowledged many of these issues! I was willing to look past the low FPS (even with a 3000$ dollar rig ) and the insanly long loading screens.. But the lag in Cyrodil, and the broken LFG/Que system is just not acceptable. Half my matches the group never gets enough players to even begin, and i get deserter after leaving.

Couple of days ago i decided to try out PVP in WOW, something i never really got into the 10 years i played it. The experience was by FAR superior to eso in every single way. The Arena and Battleground que system works smooth. There is no lag, what so ever - and it doesnt hurt that the game itself runs with high dps on max settings, and loadingscreens are 1/10 of the times of ESOs - without even exaggerating!

I wasnt planning of returning to WOW at ALL. I mean, i have 4300 hours ingame and untill recently i had a new 2 year plan in ESO on things i wanted to achieve. However, since i tend to do nothing but PVP anymore - Wow preformance simply shines compared to eso! I would NEVER in my life imagine that techincal issues would make me lose PASSION for ESO, im actually sad as hell while writing this right now. If all i did was PVE i would have stayed in eso no doubt, but with my newly discovered enthusiasm for PVP - the technical state of Elder Scrolls Online is just a horrible mess and ZOS should be ashamed of themselves!

I just wanted to thank all of you guys for being with me on this journey and helping me along the way. These forums were a blast to read over the few years, ive learned so much and you guys are simply my type of crowd! I wanted to write this down cause im a passionate guy and it felt right sharing my thoughts with you.

Edit: Come to think of it, players like myself are probably main reason why this isn't getting fixed and deemed as acceptable. Ive spent large amounts of money of the Crownstore. I couldn't help it, i got so cought up in all the cool and convenient stuff in there. This convenience came with a price it turns out.

As someone who made the switch a month ago from World of Warcraft to ESO, I wish you all the best and hope you have a blast. I started playing Wow November 24, 2004 and played for 15 years, leaving this year with my wife to give another game a try. I didn't leave because I hated World of Warcraft, but rather to just take a break and try something different.

As for performance between the two MMO's World of Warcraft (not trying to throw shade) craps all over Zos when it comes to stability, load times, queue times, and just all around performance. That isn't to say World of Warcraft is perfect, I remember the days of loot lag, servers being shut down for hours, and even a few times Blizzard issuing free game time do to lack of server stability.

I am not sure how long the problem has persisted with the stability issues with Zos, but clearly it is an issue and something should be done to help remedy it.

Best of Luck, and from one gamer to the next, have fun.

darthgummibear_ESO

InvictusApollo wrote: »

sekekama21554 wrote: »

It’s night and day the performance of the WOW servers compared to the ESOrry servers.
Can you go from the southern most tip of the map to the northern most part without a load screen in eso? no

In WOW you can.

My latency is eso is always 140ms +
Wow my latency is 30-50ms on a bad day

That ping! Give it to me in ESo! If only WoW had less cartoony and more high definition graphics I would swap.

Graphics are the least of WoW's problems. Even with ESO's current technical issues, I could never go back to wow. Blizzard is broken and they just don't care anymore.

Morgul667

Sad but wish you all the best

For me it helped to unsub ...i play less but most importantly i dont feel scammed as i dont pay for the bad service

Ill resub l, the second performance is acceptable (i believe zos does not even know what acceptable performance is at this stage)

Hyperion616

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

sekekama21554 wrote: »

It’s night and day the performance of the WOW servers compared to the ESOrry servers.
Can you go from the southern most tip of the map to the northern most part without a load screen in eso? no

In WOW you can.

My latency is eso is always 140ms +
Wow my latency is 30-50ms on a bad day

That ping! Give it to me in ESo! If only WoW had less cartoony and more high definition graphics I would swap.

Graphics are the least of WoW's problems. Even with ESO's current technical issues, I could never go back to wow. Blizzard is broken and they just don't care anymore.

Not sure if the Developers "Don't Care" or if it's more so they are producing a product they want and damn the players who kick and scream about what they want. World of Warcraft may not be what it was during it's peak of Wrath of the Lich king, but it is still a great game.

One thing that can't be disputed, Blizzard as a company has never had to use the backing of the console age to help bolster sales number or go Free to play. Which is something I doubt will ever happen is to see World of Warcraft go free to play or be put on a home console.

Apox

i agree. even with a high end rig and hardwired internet connection i fall to 30 fps in trials and pvp, and server desync is awful.

I charged a dude with crit rush one time. My character traveled the full distance to him and dealt damage to him. He retaliated with a piercing javelin, which knocked me all the way back to where i was before i used crit rush

my roommate has one foot out the door because of game issues and lag. bar swaps not happening, ultimates not happening when the button is pressed. ive died a few times in skyreach carries when i have half the place on me. I'd try to drop a destro ult and instead of happening like youd expect, the targeting reticle just stuck open for a second (which is quite a long time to not be able to do anything when 60 zombies are hitting you) and died. and yes, i have quick cast ground abilities on, im not ***.

eso has always had the potential to be the bombshell game with everything going for it minus one major setback. so many kinks have been ironed out, its a shame that now the game is almost unplayable at mor than a casual rp friendly level because crappy optimization

Goregrinder

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

sekekama21554 wrote: »

It’s night and day the performance of the WOW servers compared to the ESOrry servers.
Can you go from the southern most tip of the map to the northern most part without a load screen in eso? no

In WOW you can.

My latency is eso is always 140ms +
Wow my latency is 30-50ms on a bad day

That ping! Give it to me in ESo! If only WoW had less cartoony and more high definition graphics I would swap.

Graphics are the least of WoW's problems. Even with ESO's current technical issues, I could never go back to wow. Blizzard is broken and they just don't care anymore.

Agreed man, the PVP in WoW was destroyed in Warlords, and has only gotten worse. It is essentially in an NGE state of WOW (if anyone remembers what happened to SWG), where lots of cool new items and features are being added, BUT the core mechanics of combat, PVP, gear, etc, have been trashed and will not improve.

Plus, a lot of KEY people at Blizzard have been jumping ship, which is always a sign of internal struggles within the company. They really aren't going to improve WoW, they are just going to launch Classic and hope all of the people like me complaining about the current state of WoW, look at Classic and have a nerdgasm due to the nostalgia and forget all about the problems with live.

Nope, I am not a gold fish with a 10 second memory. ESO has been a saving grace in terms of modern day MMORPG's. I would take ESO with no make up in the morning, over WoW dressed to the nines ready to go clubbing all night, ANY day of the week.

Arrodisia

daemonios wrote: »

Mariusghost84 wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

stewhead2ub17_ESO wrote: »

In b4 lock.

Agree that quit threads are against the ToS and this one will be locked. But as long as it's not, please enlighten me - what exactly is the point of your post? Are you more interested in being a troll than in the reasons why fellow players are leaving the game? Do you think those reasons are invalid? If so, why?

Who am I kidding, most people are perfectly happy dropping money into this game as long as they can do *their* thing, never mind if others are struggling.

I had no idea this was against the rules. Is it because of the title of this thread?

They have a policy of closing quitting threads, period, as per the forum rules:

Goodbye/Quitting Threads: We understand that sometimes people will leave the ESO community, and want to post a “goodbye” or “quitting” thread. Generally, we have found that “goodbye” and “quitting” threads have a tendency to go downhill fast. It is our policy to read the feedback in “goodbye” and “quitting” threads and close them, regardless of whether they are constructive or not.

I don't think it's a good policy, but their house, their rules. Anyway, having recently cancelled my own sub (though I still have some ESO+ time to use up), I sympathise with you. Shame that this game is so sorely mismanaged IMO, it has such great points, ruined by far too many issues that go ignored...

I agree. I don't think . It's a good policy either. these types of threads, actually, open up valid constructive criticism about the state of the game, and further offers suggestions to rectify it the problems. If the topic completely derails, fine. Close it. However, if it manages to stay mostly on topic and constructive, it should stay open. ZOS closing the threads generally and categorically just feeds the the forums with mistrust. It would actually be to everyone's benefit even ZOS's to leave these threads open, if they are constructive. It is their house and their rules. That is true. That doesn't mean the rules don't need to be tweeked, occassionally, to ensure customer satisfaction is met more often. This is just imho.

russelmmendoza

Lost passion too, because I was finally able to buy fallout 76.
I just bought a 6 months eso+ lol, then buy fallout 76.
I was not able to buy fallout76 on release because bethesda.net will not accept credit cards from the Philippines.
I think I put in a ticket about it in bethesda support, I guess they accept payment from here now.
Tyvm bethesda.
I will be in the wastelands for now.

rsantijw13

http://chng.it/SkqW6jHF

Mariusghost84

Almost every single one of you in this thread left constructive feedback, this is an amazing comunity and one of the reasons i got this deep into this game to begin with. Im sad but at the same time happy that the community is noticing this huge issue and i really hope ZOS one day decides to do something about this, as this should really be embarrassing for them!

Thanks for leaving replies and your input guys, i appriciate it. Im glad this thread wasnt locked.

Mariusghost84

rsantijw13 wrote: »

http://chng.it/SkqW6jHF

This is great. Id love if you made a own thread for this! I already signed it!

EQBallzz

Just curious because I have never invested much time in ESO PVP but has the performance in Cyrodiil *ever* been good or even passably acceptable? I have played this game since early beta and not once have I ever experienced or heard anyone say the performance was good in PvP. There were always hopes and dreams and promises but they never seem to pan out. Didn't they remove all the wildlife like deer at one point in a feeble attempt to improve performance?

I guess my point is that if it hasn't been resolved since beta..what is the chance it will ever be resolved? Maybe if all the dev resources didn't revolve around cash shop money making schemes it could have been fixed by now but we all know the priority of ZOS so I doubt it ever will be at this point.

NBrookus

EQBallzz wrote: »

Just curious because I have never invested much time in ESO PVP but has the performance in Cyrodiil *ever* been good or even passably acceptable? I have played this game since early beta and not once have I ever experienced or heard anyone say the performance was good in PvP. There were always hopes and dreams and promises but they never seem to pan out.

Yes, but it was much better early on. Not good... but it was reasonable to expect some kinks needed to be worked out. It has steadily gotten worse, even as internet speeds, graphics cards and processors have upgraded, and population caps have dropped. Every patch it gets noticeably worse.

There's a big difference between tolerating a last emp keep slideshow a couple times a week, and having teleports and 0 fps with only a couple of dozen people on screen.

Nimrhys

That's interesting because everyone on WoW who does PvP is always whining, especially because they need to get PvE gear for it. In fact, I've yet to find a game where the PvP community doesn't hate it, unless it's a PvP game.

I'm on PC EU and don't really have many bugs or lag issues.

Hotdog_23

Performance is the main reason I don't spend anytime hardly in Cyrodill. Every time I try it the performance is terrible. Generally BG's are better it seems to me at least. PVE does have issues as well but not nearly as bad as Cyrodill from what I can tell. I really wish ZOS could fix it but either they can't or want commit the money to it.

I think they really messed up designing the game from the start and did not see the issues they would have with cheating thus the anti-cheat measures they had to implement which killed performance in Cyrodill. Which is why they can't really fix it without redesigning much of the games code.

I hope you come back after some time away and find enjoyment again in ESO as it really is a great game with so much more potential.

My hope is when the new console’s come out. They have made ESO 2 (or whatever name they choose) and allow us to transfer what we have done form the first ESO to the new version and we get a more stable game. I would gladly pay for it in the form of buying a new game.

Inaya

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

InvictusApollo wrote: »

sekekama21554 wrote: »

It’s night and day the performance of the WOW servers compared to the ESOrry servers.
Can you go from the southern most tip of the map to the northern most part without a load screen in eso? no

In WOW you can.

My latency is eso is always 140ms +
Wow my latency is 30-50ms on a bad day

That ping! Give it to me in ESo! If only WoW had less cartoony and more high definition graphics I would swap.

Graphics are the least of WoW's problems. Even with ESO's current technical issues, I could never go back to wow. Blizzard is broken and they just don't care anymore.

So much this ^^^^ It's not hard on the servers when all you do is run around in circles in the main expac city because there is nothing to do. ESO takes a long time to fix bugs but WOW devs have BROKEN WOW. All previous zones except for the newest are totally irrelavant (unless farming old raids for xmogs and/or pets), the content they put out had soooo much potential but they phoned it in and just flat out don't care. ALL previous gear is totally irrelevant after and xpac (talk about a useless grind). They have no respect for the achievements of their players - they removed first aid AND all the achievement points we earned as well. If you worked to farm the water strider mount whose whole point was that it walked on water you are once again screwed because they are removing the ability and making you purchase an item that gives you 3 choices, so if I want water walking back I do not get to choose anything. They have removed most things that give your characters an identity so no one is special and everyone is mostly the same. Class are imbalance and boring. They released "new" races that you had to grind for but they are not new they are recolored existing races with minor changes. Professions have always been awful but they have made them completely useless. They just don't care - and this is coming from someone who has remained subbed to the game from day one until I quit about 5 months ago.

ESO has issues but it is heaven compared to the mess that is now WOW.

Edited for horrific spelling lol

Knootewoot

I only like pvp in eso. I tried Elsewyr, but I didn't like the pve.
I unsubbed and haven't logged in a while (only once last week to check mail) and currently I don't miss it. Pvp runs so bad for me, it's not worth trying as it only gets worse every update. Elsewyr was my final straw. I haven't quit, but neither do I have the urge to login anymore.

SilverPaws

Same here my friend

ZOS_RogerJ

Greetings! We understand that sometimes people will leave the ESO community, and want to post a “goodbye” or “quitting” thread. Generally, we have found that “goodbye” and “quitting” threads have a tendency to go downhill fast. It is our policy to read the feedback in “goodbye” and “quitting” threads and close them, regardless of whether they are constructive or not.