Cyrodil open to non-PvPers?

prof-dracko · June 2019

Maybe every year or month they could have a "ceasefire" day between campaigns where anyone can go in and explore and if you're still there when the ceasefire ends then jokes on you. That'd be both story-friendly and satisfy the people who just want to explore, and doing it at a moment when all of the campaigns end wouldn't inconvenience the hardcore PVPers too much.

Vietfox · June 2019

Aside from what has been said here, if you want an advice, don't rush to the skyshards once the gates are open, there's people like me that always camp them to kill pvers coming for them

xxthir13enxx · June 2019

Don’t worry Cyrodiil is a magical land where nobody dies....you just wake up and realize it was alllllll a dreeeeam

MrBrownstone · June 2019

No. If you want to have EVERYTHING in a game, you have to DO EVERYTHING. You can't just go "PvE only" and want both PvE and PvP related things. The Global Skyshard Achievement is not a PvE achievement. It's for people who play both PvE and PvP.

Would it make sense if PvP players wanted to have PvE achievements without being have to PvE?

DarkerDreams · June 2019

You missed your best chance to get them during the anniversary event when there were extra campaigns for like 3 or 4 weeks. At almost any given time you could find at least one where your alliance had the other 2 gated, no matter which alliance your with.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2019

prof-dracko wrote: »

Maybe every year or month they could have a "ceasefire" day between campaigns where anyone can go in and explore and if you're still there when the ceasefire ends then jokes on you. That'd be both story-friendly and satisfy the people who just want to explore, and doing it at a moment when all of the campaigns end wouldn't inconvenience the hardcore PVPers too much.

Sure ... let’s do it on Christmas.

“Sorry mom, I can’t hang out with the family. Today is the ONLY day I can avoid fighting people on my video game.”

“Aren’t you supposed to fight people in your video game?”

“You just wouldn’t understand!”

And then on some other holiday you’ll let us PVP in your trial dungeons mid-run. I’m sure there would be no complaining about that.

Beardimus · June 2019

CaemlynW wrote: »

I do not PvP, so I stay out of Cyrodil.(Puts Cadwell's pot on her head for all the rocks that will prolly be thrown at me for this post)
I DO collect lore books, skyshards, achievements, etc.
Right before I came to ESo, a few years ago, they opened Tamriel so that all factions could go all places.
Is there a chance that Cyrodil could maybe be open to all that did not wish to PVP, to simply explore? For a week? A day? A month?
There are numerous lore books, a few skyshards in Cyrodil and wayshrines preventing me from getting achievements.(I only need 2 skyshards to have all in Tamriel, but doubt I'll ever get them. )
I am prolly just too dumb to get through the gates of keeps belonging to other factions to get the skyshards I need.
I have checked almost weekly for 2 years now and other factions always hold the keeps for the ones I need (NW)
There are a few places you can get into Cyrodil…..Under 50, etc. Why not have a non PVP one?
Just an idea. My OCD is making me nuts at not being able to get some of those lorebooks and skyshards.
Just an idea.
TY for reading this.

@CaemlynW there really is no need for a non PvP, PvPland.

I got Cyrodiil cleared long before i got into PvP, just have to go about it right. Lore books are pretty easy to get to on the whole, and of the gate is open its PvE all the way to get past the guards.

If you get mega stuck Just look at all campaigns, and time it when your alliance has the map, in particular during events with the extra maps added that are dead.

If the maps dead and you just don't have the gate open you don't need to PvP, just PvE the guards down and away, if its that dead a map it won't draw attention.

Lastly what platform region are you? Happy to help if able

mikemacon · June 2019

No.

Erelah · June 2019

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

prof-dracko wrote: »

Maybe every year or month they could have a "ceasefire" day between campaigns where anyone can go in and explore and if you're still there when the ceasefire ends then jokes on you. That'd be both story-friendly and satisfy the people who just want to explore, and doing it at a moment when all of the campaigns end wouldn't inconvenience the hardcore PVPers too much.

Sure ... let’s do it on Christmas.

“Sorry mom, I can’t hang out with the family. Today is the ONLY day I can avoid fighting people on my video game.”

“Aren’t you supposed to fight people in your video game?”

“You just wouldn’t understand!”

And then on some other holiday you’ll let us PVP in your trial dungeons mid-run. I’m sure there would be no complaining about that.

First you get an awesome for stating that. Second, Cyrodil is not just a PVP zone. It is a PVP/PVE zone same as Imperial City. It is why they have all those repeatable PVE daily quests in there. Cyrodil more so than Imperial City.

Now if you want to talk about a PVP area there is Battlegrounds. That tiny small area is just for killing people. In fact the only quests involved in Battle ground are PVP ones. Unlike Cyrodil and Imperial cities which offers a mixture of PVE & PVP quests being a mixed hybrid area.

AhPook_Is_Here · June 2019

The gates will open, just find out what hours your night crew works at. In the old days you could just gap close up there and pick them up anytime. I think you can buy them with crowns now too. Not many people are going to hope your wishes come true for this thread, though I really don't mind. I've always though PVP is the most fun against people who want to put up a fight and present a challenge, but sadly you are the liquidity that highly skilled players desire, the kind that makes for good streams. Anyway don't position yourself between a pro and their donations, its a bad space to walk in, and good luck with your wish.

SpacemanSpiff1 · June 2019

Hop on in. Cyro builds character. Maybe bring a friend or two, and don't stress out when you die.

redlink1979 · June 2019

Just get into a calm campaign for those shards and lore books near enemy hqs.
The majority of shards and lore are easily accessible, even if they're inside delves.
So, man up get some pvp gear, change your skills, relocate your cp and get out there.

PS - There's only one thing certain about Cyrodiil: you will die.

Sarjako · June 2019

If you spent a few hours PVP'ing I'm fairly certain that you'll never want to stop. Just sayin'

xxthir13enxx · June 2019

TBH I don’t like doing Mondays....can we just change Mondays into non-Mondays and play it like an Extended Sunday?

Kagukan · June 2019

Having a Cyrodiil on another plane or whatever where there is no war would be fun to casually explore.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2019

Kagukan wrote: »

Having a Cyrodiil on another plane or whatever where there is no war would be fun to casually explore.

Not really. The quests are almost universally bland, and there is little to do PVE wise due to the lack of mobs.

Chances are high that most people in that “no war” Cyrodiil would just start soloing resources or grouping up to take castles which is — hot take — exactly what you do in regular PVP.

You just wouldn’t have the fear of a lurking nightblade, which is like 90% of the rush of Cyrodiil to begin with.

idk · June 2019

Cerra wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Number of PvE zones in the game: 30

Number of PvP zones in the game: 2

I think it's acceptable to risk some PvP to get a handful of skyshards, lorebooks, and achievements ...

I think they should remove the PVE achivements for the skyshards in the PVP zone.

This makes no sense. I assume it is intended to be petty towards those who want a PvE Cyrodiil zone. I do not think we need to be petty about this. It is simply as people have already posted, tones of zones that are PvE only and only 2 that are PvP. That sums it all up pretty nicely.

DaveMoeDee · June 2019

CaemlynW wrote: »

I have been all over Cyrodil. I go to Imperial City a lot to make Master Writ items.
I just cannot get past locked keep gates to get the 2 skyshards I need

They are behind the gates for a reason. It wasn't an oversight.

Goregrinder · June 2019

You're definitely invited to the party man, we have burgers and dogs on the grill, beer in the cooler...come on down man....ignore the guys hiding in the bushes, they aren't really there.

Girl_Number8 · June 2019

No

It is the small underfunded part of the game....ESO PvP deserves more then it has now, not less.

Enjoy the full game

Bouldercleave · June 2019

Cerra wrote: »

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

Number of PvE zones in the game: 30

Number of PvP zones in the game: 2

I think it's acceptable to risk some PvP to get a handful of skyshards, lorebooks, and achievements ...

I think they should remove the PVE achivements for the skyshards in the PVP zone.

Or simply separate them into two different achievements. Same with fishing.

zaria · June 2019

Red_Feather wrote: »

Many campaigns to choose from and sometimes a campaign is very quiet and easy to explore uninterrupted. And when you are crouched it means a player would somehow have to run exactly in your direction out of 360 degrees to even know you are there. I have never been seen by a player when I am crouching on a low pop campaign.

This is an PvE map

Nice then farming city dailies for event, downer if wanted to level up pvp rank

Att1Tude · June 2019

2 years?

Goregrinder · June 2019

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

No. If you want to have EVERYTHING in a game, you have to DO EVERYTHING. You can't just go "PvE only" and want both PvE and PvP related things. The Global Skyshard Achievement is not a PvE achievement. It's for people who play both PvE and PvP.

Would it make sense if PvP players wanted to have PvE achievements without being have to PvE?

This. Can you read it again but louder so the kids in the back of the class can hear you too?

Hyperion616 · June 2019

The two don't mesh well together (pve and pvp) and devs are in the business of making money so they wont short change their income from both aspects of an MMO.

Best bet, see if some people can go with you or try the die and keep on moving approach. Maybe people in this game wont follow you around ganking you all day but will take pity and only do it a few times before moving on.

Hyperion616 · June 2019

Honestly I enjoyed the way PVP works in Final Fantasy, it's all instanced and the open world is free for people to roam around in. If players want to pvp then go queue up and spend all your game time fighting against like minded individuals.

Goregrinder · June 2019

Hyperion616 wrote: »

Honestly I enjoyed the way PVP works in Final Fantasy, it's all instanced and the open world is free for people to roam around in. If players want to pvp then go queue up and spend all your game time fighting against like minded individuals.

We have that in ESO...They are called "Battlegrounds"...you queue up for them. They are separate from the rest of Tamriel, and separate from Cyrodiil.

cyberjanet · June 2019

ChunkyCat wrote: »

Come on in. The water’s fine.

The water is not fine.

Chadak · June 2019

One of the most catastrophically stupid things MMO developers do and have ever done is mix PVP and PVE in a single game.

You might as well just light your game's playerbase on fire and call it a day.

The drama it creates is exemplified on this thread; the wrong kind of drama - stupid human trick drama in which everyone's being reasonable for wanting what they want, but the very act of being reasonable has been made incorrect and dysfunctional.

PvE games should be PvE only. It's far too late for this circus, but one doesn't need a degree in rocket surgery to look at the successes of games like Call of Duty and every MOBA on earth to know that PVP gaming doesn't need or require things like storyline, questing and all the other janky jingles of PVE gaming.

And PVE gaming would be, at least in my opinion, several orders of magnitude improved by not having to limit it to PVP balancing and turning it into a schizophrenic nightmare of having to consider every single PVE power and ability or change thereto in light of what players will do with it in PVP.

Mixing PVP and PVE isn't like mixing oil and water - it's like mixing francium and water, and the what do we get for it?

Mediocre PVP and PVE and a baked-in guarantee that everyone's going to be pissed off and unhappy about something.

PVE requires a spirit of cooperation and that is fostered by creating a community context that values cooperation and rewards it.

PVP rewards limited cooperation within a specific context, but rewards conflict and victory in conflict, whether through cooperation or as a solo actor. These are two fundamentally opposed psychological frameworks.

Do you want your community to be eyeing eachother as rivals and competition at all times, even when they're getting along and cooperating for the moment? Make a PVP game, and for god's sake, stick to your design plan.

Do you want your community to be encouraged to find reasons to work together and not constantly have to worry that half of everyone might be eyeing them as rivals and competition in all things and only willing to cooperate to such extent as it benefits them personally? Make a PVE game, and for god's sake, stick to your design plan.

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2019

Chadak wrote: »

One of the most catastrophically stupid things MMO developers do and have ever done is mix PVP and PVE in a single game.

You might as well just light your game's playerbase on fire and call it a day.

The drama it creates is exemplified on this thread; the wrong kind of drama - stupid human trick drama in which everyone's being reasonable for wanting what they want, but the very act of being reasonable has been made incorrect and dysfunctional.

PvE games should be PvE only. It's far too late for this circus, but one doesn't need a degree in rocket surgery to look at the successes of games like Call of Duty and every MOBA on earth to know that PVP gaming doesn't need or require things like storyline, questing and all the other janky jingles of PVE gaming.

And PVE gaming would be, at least in my opinion, several orders of magnitude improved by not having to limit it to PVP balancing and turning it into a schizophrenic nightmare of having to consider every single PVE power and ability or change thereto in light of what players will do with it in PVP.

Mixing PVP and PVE isn't like mixing oil and water - it's like mixing francium and water, and the what do we get for it?

Mediocre PVP and PVE and a baked-in guarantee that everyone's going to be pissed off and unhappy about something.

PVE requires a spirit of cooperation and that is fostered by creating a community context that values cooperation and rewards it.

PVP rewards limited cooperation within a specific context, but rewards conflict and victory in conflict, whether through cooperation or as a solo actor. These are two fundamentally opposed psychological frameworks.

Do you want your community to be eyeing eachother as rivals and competition at all times, even when they're getting along and cooperating for the moment? Make a PVP game, and for god's sake, stick to your design plan.

Do you want your community to be encouraged to find reasons to work together and not constantly have to worry that half of everyone might be eyeing them as rivals and competition in all things and only willing to cooperate to such extent as it benefits them personally? Make a PVE game, and for god's sake, stick to your design plan.

If there was no PVP in this game then I probably wouldn’t have bought it. That’s easily $1000 that ZOS never would have gotten. Considering that XBox is pop locked to near 200+ queue on most nights that says that there are probably 700 - 1000 frequent PVP players and many thousands more infrequent ones. Across all systems there are easily 3000 to 5000 regular PVPers. That’s upwards of 3 to 5 million dollars that ZOS has potentially made just off PVPers alone.

If you want a PVE only game go play Skyrim. ESO was advertised from the jump as having an important PVP component. Deal with it.