Cyrodil open to non-PvPers?

zaria

Hyperion616 wrote: »

The two don't mesh well together (pve and pvp) and devs are in the business of making money so they wont short change their income from both aspects of an MMO.

Best bet, see if some people can go with you or try the die and keep on moving approach. Maybe people in this game wont follow you around ganking you all day but will take pity and only do it a few times before moving on.

Who gankers? I did all the non daily quests in Cyrodil, all the delves (still miss some bosses as they had not spawned)
Dolmens and Skyshards, on an PvE build. Was killed once, saw another Khajiit in an town, I run towards an friend ignoring the blue shield above his head. He saw an AD enemey charging.
Once during the anniversary event, saw some enemy having problems killing mobs, yes that was an trap
Granted I was bypassing and not engaging but still nice execute.
And you have times then we all share a goal.

Icy_Waffles

Worst thing that will happen is you get killed and respawn. It’s not that bad. You’ll be fine. If you can’t bring yourself to deal with that then you have no business in Cyrodiil.

Goregrinder

THEDKEXPERIENCE wrote: »

Chadak wrote: »

One of the most catastrophically stupid things MMO developers do and have ever done is mix PVP and PVE in a single game.

You might as well just light your game's playerbase on fire and call it a day.

The drama it creates is exemplified on this thread; the wrong kind of drama - stupid human trick drama in which everyone's being reasonable for wanting what they want, but the very act of being reasonable has been made incorrect and dysfunctional.

PvE games should be PvE only. It's far too late for this circus, but one doesn't need a degree in rocket surgery to look at the successes of games like Call of Duty and every MOBA on earth to know that PVP gaming doesn't need or require things like storyline, questing and all the other janky jingles of PVE gaming.

And PVE gaming would be, at least in my opinion, several orders of magnitude improved by not having to limit it to PVP balancing and turning it into a schizophrenic nightmare of having to consider every single PVE power and ability or change thereto in light of what players will do with it in PVP.

Mixing PVP and PVE isn't like mixing oil and water - it's like mixing francium and water, and the what do we get for it?

Mediocre PVP and PVE and a baked-in guarantee that everyone's going to be pissed off and unhappy about something.

PVE requires a spirit of cooperation and that is fostered by creating a community context that values cooperation and rewards it.

PVP rewards limited cooperation within a specific context, but rewards conflict and victory in conflict, whether through cooperation or as a solo actor. These are two fundamentally opposed psychological frameworks.

Do you want your community to be eyeing eachother as rivals and competition at all times, even when they're getting along and cooperating for the moment? Make a PVP game, and for god's sake, stick to your design plan.

Do you want your community to be encouraged to find reasons to work together and not constantly have to worry that half of everyone might be eyeing them as rivals and competition in all things and only willing to cooperate to such extent as it benefits them personally? Make a PVE game, and for god's sake, stick to your design plan.

If there was no PVP in this game then I probably wouldn’t have bought it. That’s easily $1000 that ZOS never would have gotten. Considering that XBox is pop locked to near 200+ queue on most nights that says that there are probably 700 - 1000 frequent PVP players and many thousands more infrequent ones. Across all systems there are easily 3000 to 5000 regular PVPers. That’s upwards of 3 to 5 million dollars that ZOS has potentially made just off PVPers alone.

If you want a PVE only game go play Skyrim. ESO was advertised from the jump as having an important PVP component. Deal with it.

Same, I only Beta Tested it because Planetside 2 style PVP was promised. I only kept playing it because Planetside 2 style PVP was in the game. ZOS would have never gotten the money I spent on my account and my ex's account if there was no PVP.

myskyrim26

I wish we had a PVE campain for Cyrodiil and IC. No benefits of PVP mode - no AP, telvar, sets, etc. Just enemies to kill and a zone to explore. IC is very beautiful and atmospheric. Yet it was ruined - turned to a campain.

Goregrinder

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I wish we had a PVE campain for Cyrodiil and IC. No benefits of PVP mode - no AP, telvar, sets, etc. Just enemies to kill and a zone to explore. IC is very beautiful and atmospheric. Yet it was ruined - turned to a campain.

I wish we had a PVP version of Vet Dungeons and Trials that dropped Monster sets. But we don't.

myskyrim26

Goregrinder wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I wish we had a PVE campain for Cyrodiil and IC. No benefits of PVP mode - no AP, telvar, sets, etc. Just enemies to kill and a zone to explore. IC is very beautiful and atmospheric. Yet it was ruined - turned to a campain.

I wish we had a PVP version of Vet Dungeons and Trials that dropped Monster sets. But we don't.

ZOS do listen to requests - why don't ask for it? But how technically do you see it? An enemy player will drop a head piece? Just curoius, it is an interesting idea.

THEDKEXPERIENCE

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I wish we had a PVE campain for Cyrodiil and IC. No benefits of PVP mode - no AP, telvar, sets, etc. Just enemies to kill and a zone to explore. IC is very beautiful and atmospheric. Yet it was ruined - turned to a campain.

I wish we had a PVP version of Vet Dungeons and Trials that dropped Monster sets. But we don't.

ZOS do listen to requests - why don't ask for it? But how technically do you see it? An enemy player will drop a head piece? Just curoius, it is an interesting idea.

I’ll throw out my idea that is awesome but would surely crash the server.

Once an hour at a completely random and unannounced place in Cyrodiil 200 zombies would spawn. 199 of them drop nothing. One of them will drop a gold item with the correct trait.

It’s up to you to find and kill the zombie hoard before anyone else does.

JumpmanLane

Killing people is the same as killing NPCs. A friend of mine who only played PvE but was max level long before me tried PvP after I made him. We were BOTH surprised how easily he killed people once he started.

Another friend of mine I met in a delve when he was level 15. He played MagDk and asked me out of the blue for some advice. Well he became a friend and all my other MagDk pals taught him stuff and gave him advice. We were planning on bringing him along in PvP, slowly or whatever. We were gonna do IC but figured he didn’t have enough AP for Sigils of Imp retreat. WRONG that fool was sitting on 150k he’d gotten from mopping fools in BGs.

If you’re scared of PvP does some BG’s first. Then dip into Cyro.

Goregrinder

myskyrim26 wrote: »

Goregrinder wrote: »

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I wish we had a PVE campain for Cyrodiil and IC. No benefits of PVP mode - no AP, telvar, sets, etc. Just enemies to kill and a zone to explore. IC is very beautiful and atmospheric. Yet it was ruined - turned to a campain.

I wish we had a PVP version of Vet Dungeons and Trials that dropped Monster sets. But we don't.

ZOS do listen to requests - why don't ask for it? But how technically do you see it? An enemy player will drop a head piece? Just curoius, it is an interesting idea.

It's already been asked for over the course of 5 years. The only thing we got was the Golden items vendor which MIGHT sell the monster set you need during a random week for AP. It might.

Minyassa

It would be nice, really, and a lot of us dream of such a utopia. But it's not to be. They decided early on to split this game between PvE and PvP and now they have to stubbornly adhere to it no matter how ridiculous it gets with the constant attempts to balance the two. The best that you can do is get with a group of people who can help walk you through what you need to do in Cyrodiil to get your achievements done, and just tolerate it until it's over with. I promise you that the day you finish Cyrodiil Skyshards you will feel a relief akin to finding a bathroom at the point your teeth are starting to float, it feels great to have it over with. But seriously, getting with a group of friends is the way to go in making Cyrodiil tolerable. Sadly, our choices are very limited as far as that goes now, and you will have to find the most stable group you can that is in the alliance you belong to, which can be tough. I also recommend you play in Offline mode so that strangers don't get to whisper you with creepy sex talk or any other type of weirdness they get up to out there. If you want to finish achievements you can't avoid Cyrodiil, but you can find ways to take most of the sting out of it until it's done.

JumpmanLane

If you really can’t be bothered to PvP, pay one of these known nightcapping ball groups to escort you through the gates. Or even to emp you lol.

SeaGtGruff

Icy_Waffles wrote: »

Worst thing that will happen is you get killed and respawn.

No, the worst thing that will happen is you get killed and lose half of your Tel Var stones, then respawn and get killed again and lose half of your remaining Tel Var stones, then respawn and get killed again and so on until you have no more Tel Var stones.

idk

Hyperion616 wrote: »

Honestly I enjoyed the way PVP works in Final Fantasy, it's all instanced and the open world is free for people to roam around in. If players want to pvp then go queue up and spend all your game time fighting against like minded individuals.

ESO offers more robust PvP that FF does. It is not limited to just BGs like it is in FF.

It makes sense to have more than one type of PvP in a quality MMORPG like ESO just as it makes sense to have more than on type of PvE. So if players want to PvP in ESO hey have a choice of BGs, Cyrodiil or IC. If they want to avoid PvP totally they have the 95% of the game that has no PvP possible.

Great design.

Goregrinder

idk wrote: »

Hyperion616 wrote: »

Honestly I enjoyed the way PVP works in Final Fantasy, it's all instanced and the open world is free for people to roam around in. If players want to pvp then go queue up and spend all your game time fighting against like minded individuals.

ESO offers more robust PvP that FF does. It is not limited to just BGs like it is in FF.

It makes sense to have more than one type of PvP in a quality MMORPG like ESO just as it makes sense to have more than on type of PvE. So if players want to PvP in ESO hey have a choice of BGs, Cyrodiil or IC. If they want to avoid PvP totally they have the 95% of the game that has no PvP possible.

Great design.

Wow, someone with a brain on them. It's refreshing to see people like you around here, pleased to meet you!

Shantu

Essence of Invisibility
Disappear for 15.7 seconds and 30% expedition for 46.7 seconds
Blessed Thistle/Blue Entonoma/Namira's Rot

Spam rapids and you can just ride through the NPC's at faction gates when they're open. Yeah, you might be killed by another player. But big deal. Don't take it so seriously.

Deathlord92

Times like these it’s l2p and take what yours 😎

Goregrinder

Deathlord92 wrote: »

Times like these it’s l2p and take what yours 😎

Yup.

usmguy1234

CaemlynW wrote: »

I do not PvP, so I stay out of Cyrodil.(Puts Cadwell's pot on her head for all the rocks that will prolly be thrown at me for this post)
I DO collect lore books, skyshards, achievements, etc.
Right before I came to ESo, a few years ago, they opened Tamriel so that all factions could go all places.
Is there a chance that Cyrodil could maybe be open to all that did not wish to PVP, to simply explore? For a week? A day? A month?
There are numerous lore books, a few skyshards in Cyrodil and wayshrines preventing me from getting achievements.(I only need 2 skyshards to have all in Tamriel, but doubt I'll ever get them. )
I am prolly just too dumb to get through the gates of keeps belonging to other factions to get the skyshards I need.
I have checked almost weekly for 2 years now and other factions always hold the keeps for the ones I need (NW)
There are a few places you can get into Cyrodil…..Under 50, etc. Why not have a non PVP one?
Just an idea. My OCD is making me nuts at not being able to get some of those lorebooks and skyshards.
Just an idea.
TY for reading this.

Block is the universal symbol for I don't want to fight. Try that. If they kill you just kindly PM them and tell them your intentions. Most people will stop at that point.

Minyassa

usmguy1234 wrote: »

CaemlynW wrote: »

I do not PvP, so I stay out of Cyrodil.(Puts Cadwell's pot on her head for all the rocks that will prolly be thrown at me for this post)
I DO collect lore books, skyshards, achievements, etc.
Right before I came to ESo, a few years ago, they opened Tamriel so that all factions could go all places.
Is there a chance that Cyrodil could maybe be open to all that did not wish to PVP, to simply explore? For a week? A day? A month?
There are numerous lore books, a few skyshards in Cyrodil and wayshrines preventing me from getting achievements.(I only need 2 skyshards to have all in Tamriel, but doubt I'll ever get them. )
I am prolly just too dumb to get through the gates of keeps belonging to other factions to get the skyshards I need.
I have checked almost weekly for 2 years now and other factions always hold the keeps for the ones I need (NW)
There are a few places you can get into Cyrodil…..Under 50, etc. Why not have a non PVP one?
Just an idea. My OCD is making me nuts at not being able to get some of those lorebooks and skyshards.
Just an idea.
TY for reading this.

Block is the universal symbol for I don't want to fight. Try that. If they kill you just kindly PM them and tell them your intentions. Most people will stop at that point.

You, my friend, must have had extraordinary luck with your encounters in Cyrodiil. One can hope that some others might experience that also. I myself have found the opposite to be my experience, and was glad when the resulting heckling finally petered out.

p00tx

Try putting your character into Medium armor and going vamp for the sneak cost reduction and speed, then investing in some invisibility potions. There is still a chance you could be detected, and it may take you a few tries, but I'll bet you could get it done if you time it right. Even PvPers have a tough time getting those gated shards, so don't give up.

EvilAutoTech

1. Roll characters from the other alliances.
2. Use those characters to get their alliance skyshard achievements
3. Take main to crown shop
4. Purchase alliance skyshard packs
5. Profit?

NBrookus

As long as it didn't reward AP, I would have no issues with a PVE Cyrodiil. SOME things should be locked behind the Alliance War though, so I'd draw the line at the skyshards behind the faction gates.

However to all the timid pvp'ers... the quests in Cyro are pretty pathetic. You aren't missing anything. There are some very scenic locations, though.

CompM4s

In comparison to pvp players, pve players have it much easier. You can go to cyrodiil in non-peak hours and zerg the keeps to get skyshards and achievements. For pvp players if we want good gear we have to complete vet dlc level content which is way harder to do than siege a empty keep or just grab a shard if the gate is already open. Personally I enjoy both pve and pvp and have separate characters for both, but it can be an issue for people who are not interested in wnd game pve.

SilverPaws

CaemlynW wrote: »

I do not PvP, so I stay out of Cyrodil.(Puts Cadwell's pot on her head for all the rocks that will prolly be thrown at me for this post)
I DO collect lore books, skyshards, achievements, etc.
Right before I came to ESo, a few years ago, they opened Tamriel so that all factions could go all places.
Is there a chance that Cyrodil could maybe be open to all that did not wish to PVP, to simply explore? For a week? A day? A month?
There are numerous lore books, a few skyshards in Cyrodil and wayshrines preventing me from getting achievements.(I only need 2 skyshards to have all in Tamriel, but doubt I'll ever get them. )
I am prolly just too dumb to get through the gates of keeps belonging to other factions to get the skyshards I need.
I have checked almost weekly for 2 years now and other factions always hold the keeps for the ones I need (NW)
There are a few places you can get into Cyrodil…..Under 50, etc. Why not have a non PVP one?
Just an idea. My OCD is making me nuts at not being able to get some of those lorebooks and skyshards.
Just an idea.
TY for reading this.

I can be your bodyguard

dem0n1k

Turn on AvA notifications in the settings.. when you see the gate you need the shard from open... get in there & ride like the wind!

AlnilamE

CaemlynW wrote: »

I do not PvP, so I stay out of Cyrodil.(Puts Cadwell's pot on her head for all the rocks that will prolly be thrown at me for this post)
I DO collect lore books, skyshards, achievements, etc.
Right before I came to ESo, a few years ago, they opened Tamriel so that all factions could go all places.
Is there a chance that Cyrodil could maybe be open to all that did not wish to PVP, to simply explore? For a week? A day? A month?
There are numerous lore books, a few skyshards in Cyrodil and wayshrines preventing me from getting achievements.(I only need 2 skyshards to have all in Tamriel, but doubt I'll ever get them. )
I am prolly just too dumb to get through the gates of keeps belonging to other factions to get the skyshards I need.
I have checked almost weekly for 2 years now and other factions always hold the keeps for the ones I need (NW)
There are a few places you can get into Cyrodil…..Under 50, etc. Why not have a non PVP one?
Just an idea. My OCD is making me nuts at not being able to get some of those lorebooks and skyshards.
Just an idea.
TY for reading this.

Note that the keeps don't have to be held by your alliance for the gates to be open. The other faction (AD or EP) can open them for you. You just have to ride further.

Set campaign notifications for your home campaign, check first thing when you log on to see if the gates are open or not.

I've gotten the DC skyshards on a couple of EP/AD characters recently. For the EP one, I had to ride all the way across the map, because it was all yellow. Then I got killed by a player going from the northern gate to the southern one and had to ride all the way across again. But I got them. Now I only have one or two characters that are missing 1 or 2 of the shards (necromancer excepted, as he's not really ventured into Cyrodiil).

And I spend 95% of my time in PvE. If I can do it, you can too!

CaemlynW

That was a big help
Ty so much
I die 20 times a day falling off *** and someone trying to kill me is no big deal.
I am in a pvp zone- to be expected
I was just aggravated that the gates always seemed closed and I rode all around for hours and couldn't find another way in
Again ty for your help
I'll keep trying

DurzoBlint13

myskyrim26 wrote: »

I wish we had a PVE campain for Cyrodiil and IC. No benefits of PVP mode - no AP, telvar, sets, etc. Just enemies to kill and a zone to explore. IC is very beautiful and atmospheric. Yet it was ruined - turned to a campain.

isn't that what Oblivion was? that whole game took place in Cyrodil

Vietfox

myskyrim26 wrote: »

IC is very beautiful and atmospheric. Yet it was ruined - turned to a campain.

Ruined because you aren't as good as pve content told you?
L2P and you'll enjoy IC.

usmguy1234

Minyassa wrote: »

usmguy1234 wrote: »

CaemlynW wrote: »

I do not PvP, so I stay out of Cyrodil.(Puts Cadwell's pot on her head for all the rocks that will prolly be thrown at me for this post)
I DO collect lore books, skyshards, achievements, etc.
Right before I came to ESo, a few years ago, they opened Tamriel so that all factions could go all places.
Is there a chance that Cyrodil could maybe be open to all that did not wish to PVP, to simply explore? For a week? A day? A month?
There are numerous lore books, a few skyshards in Cyrodil and wayshrines preventing me from getting achievements.(I only need 2 skyshards to have all in Tamriel, but doubt I'll ever get them. )
I am prolly just too dumb to get through the gates of keeps belonging to other factions to get the skyshards I need.
I have checked almost weekly for 2 years now and other factions always hold the keeps for the ones I need (NW)
There are a few places you can get into Cyrodil…..Under 50, etc. Why not have a non PVP one?
Just an idea. My OCD is making me nuts at not being able to get some of those lorebooks and skyshards.
Just an idea.
TY for reading this.

Block is the universal symbol for I don't want to fight. Try that. If they kill you just kindly PM them and tell them your intentions. Most people will stop at that point.

You, my friend, must have had extraordinary luck with your encounters in Cyrodiil. One can hope that some others might experience that also. I myself have found the opposite to be my experience, and was glad when the resulting heckling finally petered out.

Nothing to do with luck. I'm 100% pvp and only pve for pvp gear. If I take half a person's health off with a single attack and they aren't trying to retaliate and/or hold up block, they don't want a fight. It's a matter of not being an *** to people.