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Should ESO get a Dualspec option?
mann9753b16_ESO
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Since every Class in this game can be played in multiple roles, having the option to have 2 builds for your character would really be a welcoming addition to the game.
I think I dont really have to explain what I mean here, everyone should either know this Dualspec system already (For example from WotLK WoW), and for those who dont, its kinda self explaining, having the option to save a second build, complete with stats, Skills and Morphs, which you can then switch on the spot after a little channel, maybe everywhere, maybe at special shrines in cities.
So you could for example have a DPS Build for solo play, and switch to a healer spec for dungeons and Trials or Group content.
I think I dont really have to explain what I mean here, everyone should either know this Dualspec system already (For example from WotLK WoW), and for those who dont, its kinda self explaining, having the option to save a second build, complete with stats, Skills and Morphs, which you can then switch on the spot after a little channel, maybe everywhere, maybe at special shrines in cities.
So you could for example have a DPS Build for solo play, and switch to a healer spec for dungeons and Trials or Group content.
Should ESO get a Dualspec option? 72 votes
Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch in Cities.
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Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.
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37 votes
No, you should stick with your build unless you are willing to pay for a respec and spend all points manually every time.
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Erelah✭✭✭✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.The reason why I have chosen this option is there have been a number of times when I enter a dungeon and I end up being the tank or healer.1
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mcagatayg✭✭✭✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.You can do this manually but takes too damn long. I wish I could do it without addons and ***.1
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Taleof2Cities✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Not a new idea ... it’s been discussed in the forums several times in the past.
And a good idea on paper.
Where it starts to break down is when ZOS loses their gold sink from players not needing to respec skills and champion points.1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.Right after they get the game with single spec to work right.0 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Not a new idea ... it’s been discussed in the forums several times in the past.
And a good idea on paper.
Where it starts to break down is when ZOS loses their gold sink from players not needing to respec skills and champion points.
Yes. Personally I think a system mostly needs to change CP. That is what I find the most frustrating when changing specs and I could care less if I am charged or not. Similar for skills and attributes if they added that. After all it is not costly to change mophs.
For the gold sink part, Zos could make this part of ESO+. I have seen games remove the gold sink from subscribers respecing with a dual business model. If Zos were really serious about this gold sink it would be more significant.0 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, you should stick with your build unless you are willing to pay for a respec and spend all points manually every time.
And I really hate it every time it rears its ugly head...Taleof2Cities wrote: »Not a new idea ... it’s been discussed in the forums several times in the past.
The thing I hate is, some people think they should not have to choose.
They do not want to have to choose if their character should be specializes for PvE at the expense of PvP, OR specialized for PvP at the expense of PvP, OR not specialized and excelling at neither while decent at both...
They do not want to choose if their character should be set up as DPS or as tank...
... and thus demand they should get some quick-change options for their CP setups, and their gear, perhaps even skill morphs... all because they think choices should not matter to them, all because they think they should be allowed to can have -both- options.
They want to -have- their cake, yet -eat- it too!
And I think having to pick one of those choices and stick with it (barring some annoying respecs) is actually better, as it ensures a more diverse range of characters running around, isntead of everyone switching to the current META all the time.
Besides, -choices- should matter, and people should -have- to make choices instead getting some way to "have it all"...
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Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭
There are plenty of gold sinks in the game already. Be it repairs, housing and furnishings, trading between players, that sort of stuff.Taleof2Cities wrote: »Where it starts to break down is when ZOS loses their gold sink from players not needing to respec skills and champion points.0 -
Starlock✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Other - don’t care, wouldn’t use. Especially since we know they’re gonna charge crowns for it if it ever happens.0 -
TheShadowScout wrote: »
And I really hate it every time it rears its ugly head...Taleof2Cities wrote: »Not a new idea ... it’s been discussed in the forums several times in the past.
The thing I hate is, some people think they should not have to choose.
They do not want to have to choose if their character should be specializes for PvE at the expense of PvP, OR specialized for PvP at the expense of PvP, OR not specialized and excelling at neither while decent at both...
They do not want to choose if their character should be set up as DPS or as tank...
... and thus demand they should get some quick-change options for their CP setups, and their gear, perhaps even skill morphs... all because they think choices should not matter to them, all because they think they should be allowed to can have -both- options.
They want to -have- their cake, yet -eat- it too!
And I think having to pick one of those choices and stick with it (barring some annoying respecs) is actually better, as it ensures a more diverse range of characters running around, isntead of everyone switching to the current META all the time.
Besides, -choices- should matter, and people should -have- to make choices instead getting some way to "have it all"...
How high is that horse you’re sitting on??
Your “choices” don’t even matter NOW - 10k gold and loadscreens is simply indicative of a system that should be streamlined.
Keep charging the gold sink - but if a player has done the work to level all the skill lines and morphs and shards - there’s no reason at all to get uppity about QoL improvements that simply enable them utilizing all the effort they put in to get there more easily.
Half the things you’re griping about are already possible with addons anyway. Some sort of automation or favourite load outs is long overdue. Those “choices” you seem to admire so much are nothing but pointless impediments and annoyances to actually engaging in multiple modes of content easily - something ZoS themselves wants us to do!2 -
Aliyavana✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch in Cities.TheShadowScout wrote: »
And I really hate it every time it rears its ugly head...Taleof2Cities wrote: »Not a new idea ... it’s been discussed in the forums several times in the past.
The thing I hate is, some people think they should not have to choose.
They do not want to have to choose if their character should be specializes for PvE at the expense of PvP, OR specialized for PvP at the expense of PvP, OR not specialized and excelling at neither while decent at both...
They do not want to choose if their character should be set up as DPS or as tank...
... and thus demand they should get some quick-change options for their CP setups, and their gear, perhaps even skill morphs... all because they think choices should not matter to them, all because they think they should be allowed to can have -both- options.
They want to -have- their cake, yet -eat- it too!
And I think having to pick one of those choices and stick with it (barring some annoying respecs) is actually better, as it ensures a more diverse range of characters running around, isntead of everyone switching to the current META all the time.
Besides, -choices- should matter, and people should -have- to make choices instead getting some way to "have it all"...
so you don't like convenience options? if a system like this comes out simply don't use it instead of trying to make people bend to your viewpoint on how a playstyle should be restricted.Edited by Aliyavana on June 9, 2019 10:48PM0 -
kargen27✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was going to say I don't like the idea of being able to do this with skill morphs but I argued with myself for a moment and changed my mind.
I wouldn't mind being able to respec with a button push or two for armor and skill swaps anywhere as long as you are not in battle. Morphs, champion points and attributes in a city only. Possibly at a shrine or specialty vendor and it should be in line with the costs of doing so manually.
A vendor that remembers two or three presets would work but I have no idea how hard from a programming perspective it would be to add to the game.
If it were ever added it should cost in game gold not crowns. Maybe they could provide two build slots and make more available through crown store kind of like outfit slots. Then actually switching to them would cost the in game gold.
and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭You can do this with add ons and by getting more skill points. Only things you can't repeatedly and easily change on the fly are attributes and morphs.
Replicating what can already be achieved with add-ons for console seems perfectly fine to me.0 -
ArenGesus✭✭✭✭✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.Yes, the game should have it. No, it should not be a crown store option.0
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The_Red_Viper✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
And I really hate it every time it rears its ugly head...Taleof2Cities wrote: »Not a new idea ... it’s been discussed in the forums several times in the past.
The thing I hate is, some people think they should not have to choose.
They do not want to have to choose if their character should be specializes for PvE at the expense of PvP, OR specialized for PvP at the expense of PvP, OR not specialized and excelling at neither while decent at both...
They do not want to choose if their character should be set up as DPS or as tank...
... and thus demand they should get some quick-change options for their CP setups, and their gear, perhaps even skill morphs... all because they think choices should not matter to them, all because they think they should be allowed to can have -both- options.
They want to -have- their cake, yet -eat- it too!
And I think having to pick one of those choices and stick with it (barring some annoying respecs) is actually better, as it ensures a more diverse range of characters running around, isntead of everyone switching to the current META all the time.
Besides, -choices- should matter, and people should -have- to make choices instead getting some way to "have it all"...
Not everyone has the time to level up, grind skill trees and gear 18 characters like you do. It is not even about just having the time, but the sheer boredom of it. Most people rather just quit or not level at all, than have to level a class they already have at max level, just to play a different build.
Also, the argument of "choices should matter" is super irrelevant here. If I had the option to save multiple builds without having to go change and pay for it every time at a shrine, I would definitely try other different builds that aren't the META.
And stop using that cake idiom please. It is overused on this forum and most people don't even know how to use it, just like your fine example here.Edited by The_Red_Viper on June 9, 2019 11:29PM1 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, you should stick with your build unless you are willing to pay for a respec and spend all points manually every time.
And I hate those just as much!oli.j.reillyb16_ESO wrote: »Half the things you’re griping about are already possible with addons anyway.
Never use them myself.
And that is the most overused reply to my point of view.so you don't like convenience options? if a system like this comes out simply don't use it instead of trying to make people bend to your viewpoint on how a playstyle should be restricted.
"Just don't use it", except then we will get elitists who will vote-kick anyone not using "the system" from their grouls. Not that I'd care, since I am too sociophobic to PUG anyhow, but still...
The point is, its way more then a "convenience", its leeching the fun out of things! And yes, I found that to be the case playing games that had such options, for -me- anyhow.
And that is their choice.The_Red_Viper wrote: »Not everyone has the time to level up, grind skill trees and gear 15 characters like you do. It is not even about just having the time, but the sheer boredom of it. Most people rather just quit or not level at all, than have to level a class they already have at max level, just to play a different build.
They can level whatever they like, whatever they have time for... (and yes, it is mind-mumbingly boring after the forst half dozend times...)
They can even level only one per class, and then respec it to try a new setup. That is already in the game. its just not something you can do "in the field", and -that- idea is exactly what I dislike so much!
I am just opposed to switching around nilly-willy at the press of a button - that is all right for weapon swaps, but not for redoing the whgole character, armor and cp snd skill setup and whatever.
How so?The_Red_Viper wrote: »And stop using that cake idiom please. It is overused on this forum and most people don't even know how to use it, just like your fine example here.
People here want to be able to have all the choices. Like with the cake, where you either can choose to eat it, and then its gone; or can choose to have it remain intact, but then you cannot eat it.
Well, or buy a second cake, but that is -exactly- the "spend time to raise another alt" thing you mentioned.
But in the end, all I see in reply to my point of view here is the whining of the "gimme crowd", whose arguments are like:
...when its extremely clear that ANY "convenience option" will come with a hefty crown price. Just like at "account wide skyshards"!Yes, the game should have it. No, it should not be a crown store option.
And yet those people do not point out how it would benefit ZOS to let people avoid such choices, when they clearly -want- to have people make another alt to try some new setup, in the hopes that people might spend crowns on another set of costumes, another set of outfit visuals, etc.
So, go on. Say how it would benefit ZOS to add "dualspec" options so people with less time can play less to get the same effect. And how it should benefit their bottom line to spend the resopurces of implementing that without charging a load of crowns for it.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭TheShadowScout wrote: »
And I hate those just as much!oli.j.reillyb16_ESO wrote: »Half the things you’re griping about are already possible with addons anyway.
Never use them myself.
And that is the most overused reply to my point of view.so you don't like convenience options? if a system like this comes out simply don't use it instead of trying to make people bend to your viewpoint on how a playstyle should be restricted.
"Just don't use it", except then we will get elitists who will vote-kick anyone not using "the system" from their grouls. Not that I'd care, since I am too sociophobic to PUG anyhow, but still...
The point is, its way more then a "convenience", its leeching the fun out of things! And yes, I found that to be the case playing games that had such options, for -me- anyhow.
And that is their choice.The_Red_Viper wrote: »Not everyone has the time to level up, grind skill trees and gear 15 characters like you do. It is not even about just having the time, but the sheer boredom of it. Most people rather just quit or not level at all, than have to level a class they already have at max level, just to play a different build.
They can level whatever they like, whatever they have time for... (and yes, it is mind-mumbingly boring after the forst half dozend times...)
They can even level only one per class, and then respec it to try a new setup. That is already in the game. its just not something you can do "in the field", and -that- idea is exactly what I dislike so much!
I am just opposed to switching around nilly-willy at the press of a button - that is all right for weapon swaps, but not for redoing the whgole character, armor and cp snd skill setup and whatever.
How so?The_Red_Viper wrote: »And stop using that cake idiom please. It is overused on this forum and most people don't even know how to use it, just like your fine example here.
People here want to be able to have all the choices. Like with the cake, where you either can choose to eat it, and then its gone; or can choose to have it remain intact, but then you cannot eat it.
Well, or buy a second cake, but that is -exactly- the "spend time to raise another alt" thing you mentioned.
But in the end, all I see in reply to my point of view here is the whining of the "gimme crowd", whose arguments are like:
...when its extremely clear that ANY "convenience option" will come with a hefty crown price. Just like at "account wide skyshards"!Yes, the game should have it. No, it should not be a crown store option.
And yet those people do not point out how it would benefit ZOS to let people avoid such choices, when they clearly -want- to have people make another alt to try some new setup, in the hopes that people might spend crowns on another set of costumes, another set of outfit visuals, etc.
So, go on. Say how it would benefit ZOS to add "dualspec" options so people with less time can play less to get the same effect. And how it should benefit their bottom line to spend the resopurces of implementing that without charging a load of crowns for it.
You do know all this is already in game except you have to do it manually? They are not asking for anything different other than to be able to save a build and then go back to it. Some are asking that it be free. I disagree with the free aspect. It should cost close to (maybe a bit more) in game gold as what doing it all manually would cost.
And I am assuming they would still have to level up both morphs of a skill if they wish to use both.and then the parrot said, "must be the water mines green too."0 -
Cadbury✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.I think it should be a Crown Store option.
"If a person is truly desirous of something, perhaps being set on fire does not seem so bad."1 -
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✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.How long has WoW had this? And why is a game that is so pro-freedom, play as you want, do what you want, with so many options/abilities/etc NOT have something like this yet?
Eeesh.
Maybe have to set your duel specs up in cities, but then you can open a menu and switch back and forth wherever you are as long as you aren't in combat. I'd love to be able to roll around for fun as a stamsorc when I'm soloing and adventuring, but dumping my healspec/setup every time would just get expensive and tedious.PC NA
Will heal DPS for memes.0 -
Runefang✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.I'd take changing skills off the table, but yeah respec would be good. Just gear, CP and slotting skills.Edited by Runefang on June 10, 2019 1:59AM0 -
Helric✭✭✭No, you should stick with your build unless you are willing to pay for a respec and spend all points manually every time.no !1
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richo262✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.Taleof2Cities wrote: »Not a new idea ... it’s been discussed in the forums several times in the past.
And a good idea on paper.
Where it starts to break down is when ZOS loses their gold sink from players not needing to respec skills and champion points.
There are many options for a gold sink + convenience.
1) Trashpots no longer drop and are now a memento
2) Alkhest (Poison solvents generally) no longer drops and is no longer required, besides, you'd think a spider egg / larvae has enough juices in them to make a goopy poison to put on your blade.
3) Trash items no longer drop
4) Merge Ornate / Intricate into the same item, player now has to make a choice as to whether to decon or sell
Those are the items that are commonly junked and sold. I'm not saying do all 4, but if ZOS wishes to apply 1 or more of those to coincide with a dual system, I'd be happy with that.
I rarely respec to overhaul my entire character. I only respec to make mild adjustments. So if I had 2 loadouts for different tasks, ie tanking / dps. I'd still only respec to adjust my tanking build and to adjust my DPS build.
This would improve the dungeon finder drastically. If the slowdown is due to 1000 DPS and 1 Tank in the queue and the DPS are clogging up the system as no groups can be formed, then DPS now has the option to fit themselves out as a tank. People shy away from making tanks because they usually need to make a character dedicate to tanking, so overworld content is a chore and it can't effectively do anything else.
My main tank is so horrible at running overworld content, I simply avoid it.Edited by richo262 on June 10, 2019 2:14AM0 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes, the game should have a Dualspec option, and you should be able to switch everywhere.TheShadowScout wrote: »
The thing I hate is, some people think they should not have to choose.
They do not want to have to choose if their character should be specializes for PvE at the expense of PvP, OR specialized for PvP at the expense of PvP, OR not specialized and excelling at neither while decent at both...
They do not want to choose if their character should be set up as DPS or as tank...
... and thus demand they should get some quick-change options for their CP setups, and their gear, perhaps even skill morphs... all because they think choices should not matter to them, all because they think they should be allowed to can have -both- options.
They want to -have- their cake, yet -eat- it too!
And I think having to pick one of those choices and stick with it (barring some annoying respecs) is actually better, as it ensures a more diverse range of characters running around, isntead of everyone switching to the current META all the time.
Besides, -choices- should matter, and people should -have- to make choices instead getting some way to "have it all"...
Perhaps I have had a long day, but I don't really see how dual specs would allow any of us to "have it all."
For every character, there are a large variety of choices for what to be:
-mag DPS (x2, PvE or PvP)
-mag healer (x2, PvE or PvP)
-stam DPS (x2, PvE or PvP)
-tank (x2, PvE or PvP)
So that's 10 different choices, not to mention subtleties such as PvP: BGs vs Cyro, PvE: single target DPS vs trash.
We don't all have to agree that dual specs would be good for ESO, but this argument puzzles me. There is no "both." There are so many different options I truly don't see how a second spec per character would keep our choices from mattering.
In many cases it wouldn't even reduce the number of characters people have, either, because folks will still want their coffers and their writs and their PvP campaign rewards on multiple characters.
Dual specs might reduce the amount of characters that some players level, but my guess is that for the vast majority of players dual specs would enrich the game but not significantly impact how many characters they use. Plus, most things are account-wide (costumes, dyes, style pages, etc.) so I can't imagine it is a huge money-maker for ZOS in that way.
I am very much in favor of dual specs. I think it would increase participation in community events, because people that otherwise would not bother to have a PvP spec or a tank spec might make one.
The other thing that I think is being overlooked by some of the naysayers is that many of us have "mains" which have a primary focus but we want to obtain other achievements or participate in events on those characters. In those cases, telling me to level an alt or stick with my choices makes no sense. For example, my main is a PvE healer. For a variety of reasons sometimes I foray into PvP. Guess what I do right now? I go into PvP situations with sub-optimal selections. I don't completely change up my character when at any moment I might need to jump into a Trial to heal.
I do think there should be some type of "change fee" or some other type of limit (can change x amount of times in 24 hours) in order to limit abuse, and I rely on Dressing Room so much now that I would worry about the transition time as the mods catch up to such a drastic change, but generally speaking I think dual specs would be great for the game at this point in its maturity.0
