Stamcro is a little at the moment.

If you take out goliath, it's useless most of the time

You live on different planet if you think Mag Necro is over performing. Class needs serious buffs in damage and utility to become viable.

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

I think it's ultimate skills are a little overstacked, and it needs a power distribution into skeleton pet and dtether. with bug fixes mainly. I still think that Collosus would be good even if it's damage ticks were nerfed by 20%. and obviously the pummeling Goliath morph is just a tad too strong.

dtether and htether need to not LoS and dtether needs to latch onto the enemy instead of a corpse. this is a general consensus about the skill. heard no complaints about this suggestion from everyone i talked to about it. Also it makes it a little less lazy than the "beam from corpse" skill that both tethers are.

i voted yes but really its just the ults.

Outside of Pummeling Goliath, the class is nowhere near overperforming.

Maulkin wrote: »

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

PvP-Tank. It basically the best of the Templar and Warden combined.

Maulkin wrote: »

You live on different planet if you think Mag Necro is over performing. Class needs serious buffs in damage and utility to become viable.

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

I agree, a stam Sorc with Automation & Spriggan's deals more damage than a StamNecro. Maybe bash Goliath needs to be toned down a little, but then some other skills need to be boosted.

goliath bash is proof devs don't play their own game imo

LordTareq wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

PvP-Tank. It basically the best of the Templar and Warden combined.

What the F is a PvP tank? A build that has no damage and just walks around in Cyrodiil trolling people? That is what is “over performing” to you? Are you trolling?

And secondly, Wardens and DKs make better troll tanks anyway because they have projectile mitigation and major mending. And they can also turn around and do some burst damage which a stam necro tank has no hope in hell of doing. I mean they can if they go bash goliath, but that's gonna get (rightly) nerfed for sure.

Just tune down the Goliath Bash slightly (-10% ?)

The bash ult yes

Aznox wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Just tune down the Goliath Bash slightly (-10% ?)

That won't do much. People hitting you with 5k swipes, 3 times a second will now hit you with 4.5k swipes. The problem is the bash GCD. And you can't change the GCD of bash while in Goliath form, because the bash is also the CC break when stunned and you want that to be fast.

The correct answer is to replace the light attacks with the swipe, as opposed to the bash, and make them cost some stamina. Since light attacks have a 1" GCD there would be no problem. There's no bash glyph cheese then. Oh and also like Overload, it shouldn't work with Elegant set and other crap.

5k aoe swipes (in PvP), once per second, while also having 60-70k hp would still be extremely strong. But certainly more balanced than now.

( disclaimer : i don't play a necro myself and i have only encountered a few high-end players running the golem).

I agree something is definitely off with the output, but i really enjoyed the "get out of the way and kite that ***" experience when facing bash golems.

Moving the swing to light attack could be a good move, but it needs to retain a threatening level of DPS to force opponents to a defensive posture.

My suggestion (?):
- move the aoe swing to light attack but increase the damage per swing (!) so that the DPS stays to about 80% of what it is now (calculation needs to account for 0.4sec bash vs 1sec LA+Skill). No need to add stam cost to LA because a skill weave will be needed to retain current output .
- Attach a self-slow to golem transformation, to give it an unique gameplay aspect of trying to stick up to its targets, and offer a clear counterplay.

Hmm, I disagree.

You need to remember that the bash/swipe is an AoE cleave attack and even halving the current DPS by making the GCD 1” without increasing the dmg, it’s still by far the best PBAoE dmg ult in the game for PvP at least.

I mean people are hitting 5-7k swipes per target. That’s ~25k dps in PvP if you’re smashing 4 stacked opponents even with light attack GCD. That’s insane dps. Compare it with Eye of Destro which does 2.5k-3k per tick per target and it’s double the damage, while having same ult cost and not to mention it’s giving you free 40k HP. That doesn’t need damage buffs.

And finally adding a slow to the Goliath won’t mean much since you can use your skills in the form. You can use S&B and 2H gap closers (both have CC attached) to charge into people and swipe away.

I think changing it to light attack, adding resource cost and leaving the rest as is, would make sense as a first change. Then monitor how it works in PvP and fine tune the dmg in future updates.

I voted this option because it was lonely