Is Necromancer Class Over Performing in PVP?

Lord_Eomer

Lot of Necromancers are runing across BG and Cyrodill, this class has huge potential and may be ruining PVP

LordTareq

Yes (Stamina Necromancer)

Stamcro is a little at the moment.

robpr

Yes (Stamina and Magicka Necromancer)

Two words - Goliath's Bash.
But hey, at least bash damage glyphs are no longer a meme!

Skander

No

If you take out goliath, it's useless most of the time

Lord_Eomer

Yes (Stamina and Magicka Necromancer)

Skander wrote: »

If you take out goliath, it's useless most of the time

Not really useless and Goliath is no doubt a Troll unkillable form

Maulkin

You live on different planet if you think Mag Necro is over performing. Class needs serious buffs in damage and utility to become viable.

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

FakeFox

Yes (Stamina and Magicka Necromancer)

In general Necromancer is not really overperforming, it's pretty solid but suffers from really buggy skills. What makes it absolutely overperform however are the Goliath and Colossus ultimates. Goliath is twenty seconds of immortality with pretty strong damage and Colossus just instantly kills everything it hits. I haven't played Necromancer in CP yet, but in no CP BGs one well placed Colossus and eight people are dead, it's completely ridiculous.

Delparis

Yes (Stamina Necromancer)

Pummeling goliath with snb full bash 20 sec in bg or cyrodill, more than enough time to wipe entire teams

kerthas

No

without their ultimate, its tanky but thats pretty much it. With ultimate its overpowered.

ESO_Nightingale

Other

I think it's ultimate skills are a little overstacked, and it needs a power distribution into skeleton pet and dtether. with bug fixes mainly. I still think that Collosus would be good even if it's damage ticks were nerfed by 20%. and obviously the pummeling Goliath morph is just a tad too strong.

dtether and htether need to not LoS and dtether needs to latch onto the enemy instead of a corpse. this is a general consensus about the skill. heard no complaints about this suggestion from everyone i talked to about it. Also it makes it a little less lazy than the "beam from corpse" skill that both tethers are.

Mitaka211

Other

In my experience necro seems so strong ths to the class ults nothing more. Stamina is better imo, but even then until they fix blastbones we won't know for sure since it's his main burst ability.

People who say without his ults he is nothing are wrong however. It's a really strong class for pvp which can constantly dish out damage while tanking a big amount of it. With necro you are constantly on the offensive , never on the defensive . I am really liking his play style.

The only absurd thing about him is the Pummeling goliath. Honestly the whole ult + morphs should get a rework , it's a bit too much.

erlewine

Yes (Stamina and Magicka Necromancer)

i voted yes but really its just the ults.

Firstmep

Yes (Stamina and Magicka Necromancer)

Ppl sleep on expunge but its hp cost can easily be outhealed by any hot.
I expect to see more and more tanks using that skill behind block.
Years of calling extended ritual op, and now we have a purge that can restore resources×D
I find necros similar to wardens, very tanky but little kill potential outside of group play.
Goliath bash will be adjusted im sure, i havent died to it yet but ive seen some silly videos.
All in all the class is much too fresh to draw any major conclusions on where ita stand on the meta ladder.
I just voted yes so the poll isnt so one sided:)

Olupajmibanan

No

Outside of Pummeling Goliath, the class is nowhere near overperforming.

technohic

Other

Just Goliath is why you see a lot. I was not impressed with mine until I went 1h shield and added some cp to bash.

LordTareq

Yes (Stamina Necromancer)

Maulkin wrote: »

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

PvP-Tank. It basically the best of the Templar and Warden combined.

Neloth

No

Maulkin wrote: »

You live on different planet if you think Mag Necro is over performing. Class needs serious buffs in damage and utility to become viable.

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

People voting for “magcro overperforming” seems to be those guys from low MMR BGs, constantly getting wiped by a singe colossus ult (together with 7 other potatoes)

> one well placed Colossus and eight people are dead, it's completely ridiculous.

I guess nerf meteor too, it also does some dmg

starlizard70ub17_ESO

No

Maulkin wrote: »

You live on different planet if you think Mag Necro is over performing. Class needs serious buffs in damage and utility to become viable.

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

I agree, a stam Sorc with Automation & Spriggan's deals more damage than a StamNecro. Maybe bash Goliath needs to be toned down a little, but then some other skills need to be boosted.

katorga

No

Terrible class. Flat out many of the mechanics just don't work much of the time, in pve or pvp.

ecru

goliath bash is proof devs don't play their own game imo

MizoreReyes

Yes (Stamina Necromancer)

I just experienced it.

Maulkin

LordTareq wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

And yes even stam cro is underperforming outside of bash Goliath. Tell me what you can you do with Stam Cro that you can’t do better with other stamina classes? (In PvP always)

PvP-Tank. It basically the best of the Templar and Warden combined.

What the F is a PvP tank? A build that has no damage and just walks around in Cyrodiil trolling people? That is what is “over performing” to you? Are you trolling?

And secondly, Wardens and DKs make better troll tanks anyway because they have projectile mitigation and major mending. And they can also turn around and do some burst damage which a stam necro tank has no hope in hell of doing. I mean they can if they go bash goliath, but that's gonna get (rightly) nerfed for sure.

Massacre_Wurm

Yes (Stamina Necromancer)

Goliath is magma shell of steroids.
Totaly should be nerfed.

Aznox

Other

Just tune down the Goliath Bash slightly (-10% ?)

Maulkin

Aznox wrote: »

Just tune down the Goliath Bash slightly (-10% ?)

That won't do much. People hitting you with 5k swipes, 3 times a second will now hit you with 4.5k swipes. The problem is the bash GCD. And you can't change the GCD of bash while in Goliath form, because the bash is also the CC break when stunned and you want that to be fast.

The correct answer is to replace the light attacks with the swipe, as opposed to the bash, and make them cost some stamina. Since light attacks have a 1" GCD there would be no problem. There's no bash glyph cheese then. Oh and also like Overload, it shouldn't work with Elegant set and other crap.

5k aoe swipes (in PvP), once per second, while also having 60-70k hp would still be extremely strong. But certainly more balanced than now.

Crixus8000

Other

The bash ult yes

Aznox

Other

Maulkin wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Just tune down the Goliath Bash slightly (-10% ?)

That won't do much. People hitting you with 5k swipes, 3 times a second will now hit you with 4.5k swipes. The problem is the bash GCD. And you can't change the GCD of bash while in Goliath form, because the bash is also the CC break when stunned and you want that to be fast.

The correct answer is to replace the light attacks with the swipe, as opposed to the bash, and make them cost some stamina. Since light attacks have a 1" GCD there would be no problem. There's no bash glyph cheese then. Oh and also like Overload, it shouldn't work with Elegant set and other crap.

5k aoe swipes (in PvP), once per second, while also having 60-70k hp would still be extremely strong. But certainly more balanced than now.

( disclaimer : i don't play a necro myself and i have only encountered a few high-end players running the golem).

I agree something is definitely off with the output, but i really enjoyed the "get out of the way and kite that ***" experience when facing bash golems.

Moving the swing to light attack could be a good move, but it needs to retain a threatening level of DPS to force opponents to a defensive posture.

My suggestion (?):
- move the aoe swing to light attack but increase the damage per swing (!) so that the DPS stays to about 80% of what it is now (calculation needs to account for 0.4sec bash vs 1sec LA+Skill). No need to add stam cost to LA because a skill weave will be needed to retain current output .
- Attach a self-slow to golem transformation, to give it an unique gameplay aspect of trying to stick up to its targets, and offer a clear counterplay.

Maulkin

Aznox wrote: »

Maulkin wrote: »

Aznox wrote: »

Just tune down the Goliath Bash slightly (-10% ?)

That won't do much. People hitting you with 5k swipes, 3 times a second will now hit you with 4.5k swipes. The problem is the bash GCD. And you can't change the GCD of bash while in Goliath form, because the bash is also the CC break when stunned and you want that to be fast.

The correct answer is to replace the light attacks with the swipe, as opposed to the bash, and make them cost some stamina. Since light attacks have a 1" GCD there would be no problem. There's no bash glyph cheese then. Oh and also like Overload, it shouldn't work with Elegant set and other crap.

5k aoe swipes (in PvP), once per second, while also having 60-70k hp would still be extremely strong. But certainly more balanced than now.

( disclaimer : i don't play a necro myself and i have only encountered a few high-end players running the golem).

I agree something is definitely off with the output, but i really enjoyed the "get out of the way and kite that ***" experience when facing bash golems.

Moving the swing to light attack could be a good move, but it needs to retain a threatening level of DPS to force opponents to a defensive posture.

My suggestion (?):
- move the aoe swing to light attack but increase the damage per swing (!) so that the DPS stays to about 80% of what it is now (calculation needs to account for 0.4sec bash vs 1sec LA+Skill). No need to add stam cost to LA because a skill weave will be needed to retain current output .
- Attach a self-slow to golem transformation, to give it an unique gameplay aspect of trying to stick up to its targets, and offer a clear counterplay.

Hmm, I disagree.

You need to remember that the bash/swipe is an AoE cleave attack and even halving the current DPS by making the GCD 1” without increasing the dmg, it’s still by far the best PBAoE dmg ult in the game for PvP at least.

I mean people are hitting 5-7k swipes per target. That’s ~25k dps in PvP if you’re smashing 4 stacked opponents even with light attack GCD. That’s insane dps. Compare it with Eye of Destro which does 2.5k-3k per tick per target and it’s double the damage, while having same ult cost and not to mention it’s giving you free 40k HP. That doesn’t need damage buffs.

And finally adding a slow to the Goliath won’t mean much since you can use your skills in the form. You can use S&B and 2H gap closers (both have CC attached) to charge into people and swipe away.

I think changing it to light attack, adding resource cost and leaving the rest as is, would make sense as a first change. Then monitor how it works in PvP and fine tune the dmg in future updates.

BaylorCorvette

Other

Only Goliath Bash.

Cadbury

Yes (Magcika Necromancer)

I voted this option because it was lonely

Drachenfier

No

FakeFox wrote: »

In general Necromancer is not really overperforming, it's pretty solid but suffers from really buggy skills. What makes it absolutely overperform however are the Goliath and Colossus ultimates. Goliath is twenty seconds of immortality with pretty strong damage and Colossus just instantly kills everything it hits. I haven't played Necromancer in CP yet, but in no CP BGs one well placed Colossus and eight people are dead, it's completely ridiculous.

Haven't seen that at all in No CP.