NupidStoob wrote: »

Guess we can only wait for prices to drop. There are a number that cost less than 1k per voucher to craft already on PC EU. But there are also some that are 3-8k per voucher which is ridiculous. Should just be destroyed right away.

Zircon platings steadily fell from 35k to 25k and Chromium plating from 95k to 80k over the last couple months. I am actually surprised that it's going down so slowly considering there are over 1000 chromium platings currently listed, but I guess as long as people are willing to pay that much money the price will only drop very slowly.

Problem is the grain refining system making it an pain in the ass to get, purple is the go to quality for jewelry and so many farm normal trials and dlc for gear. Hint new trial out now

Tasear wrote: »

Summerset is dlc now so in a year or three it will be reasonable.

That's an interesting point, but I'm not sure about that.

Summerset being a DLC now rather than a chapter means that more people have access to it, so more people can do jewelry crafting, so more people should be refining mats and getting plating, right?

But even people who didn't have access to jewelry crafting have been able to harvest jewelry nodes ever since Summerset came out, and they could (and did) sell the raw mats to people who could refine them. So I'm not convinced that the supply of raw mats will actually increase.

More people will be able to do jewelry writs, though, so more people will be getting plating from that source, which increases the supply. But those same people now actually have a use for the plating that they get, and will likely want to use more plating than they can get from writs alone, so I think that's going to increase the demand more than it increases the supply.

In the relatively short term (for probably a year or so) I'd actually expect the price of plating to stay stable or possibly increase. Eventually the prices will certainly drop, but I don't think the shift of Summerset from a chapter to a DLC will catalyze that.

I rarely do the daily for jcing writs and I always destroy jcing master writs. Selling all jcing mats I get is far more profitable than doing any of the writs, period.

Why not just make them drop less often but only at levels that are worth doing. So Epic only drop at 100+ and Legendary at 400+ That way we don’t have to spend time deleting them and it won’t affect the economy of materials.

I just completed a writ that I've had for about 9 months. It was worth about 450 vouchers. I knew one day I'd be able to complete it. I just put it in the back of my mind and waited.

tmbrinks wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

It's like they wanted to add a new feature to the game, yet minimize the reward for participation. Features for features-sake, with no substance to them, but marketing point. This game is infested by this type of progression. They are just catering to those who've acquired rare jewelry items, and a means by which to keep the rest of us who haven't yet progressed to top-tier items chasing nearly impossible end-goal.

Honestly, I don't even bother with jewelry crafting at all. It is too costly, and time consuming, and not worth it.

Daily Jewelry crafting writs are the most profitable of all the crafts because of this. If more people did them, it'd increase the supply, thus reducing the cost.

I will continue to do mine on my 36 characters a day, doing my part to bring down the prices.

On a side note... nearly every single gear setup that people run "in end-game PVE" (can't speak for PVP as I don't really do it) uses jewelry that actually drops in game in gold... you don't need this system (other than the transmutation, which nobody can argue is a "grind", it takes less time than all the other crafts to complete)

The daily writs is very profitable as they have an decent chance of dropping chromium grains.

The master writs on the other hand require you to use the expensive Chromium or even Zircon plating for the purple ones.
Making it far cheaper to destroy any jewelry crafting master writ and buy other ones
On PC-EU master writs for woodworking, tailoring or smiting sells for around 2-300 gold for each voucher. and cost less than 50K to make an gold item unless nirn weapon.

The only way Jewelry writs would be worthwhile is if when completing the writ, you unlock that ring / amulet in a 'Crafted Collectibles' tab.

If you complete a Turog ring Purple, Robust you now have a Turog ring, Purple, Robust that you can slot from your collections tab. If you later complete a Turog ring Gold, Infused, you now have a Gold Turog ring with the choice of Robust / Infused.

If you complete a Gold master writ of a particular set, that writ will never drop again in Gold quality. If RNGesus decides you worth of a Gold writ, it will be for a set you do not yet have in gold. Same thing occurs for traits, you will not get another trait drop for one you have already completed. Much in the same way BG Style pages drop, you never get the same one, if you are considered worthy if will be for one you don't already have.

There are 18 traits per crafted set (Amulet and Ring) and ~50 craftable sets in the game. That is 900 potential Jewelry writs to do. Not to mention, ZOS will add more before you even get close to that.

I'd also like to see the same system for all Master Writs. However the same trait (except nirnhoned) can drop more than once, and that will then have all the various styles to add after that. Which is an astronomical amount of writs to do. Styles don't drop more than once. People won't run out of writs to do as they continuously add styles to their collections.

Catch is, you cannot put the same item on your character twice from your collections tab, ie no 2 rings, no 2 daggers. You will need to get creative or craft the additional piece, 1 ring from collection tab you previously unlocked, 1 ring you crafted yourself.

Anyway, the point I'm making is the Writ / Mat ratio may never be worthwhile for Jewelry writs, but ZOS can make doing writs much more meaningful than they presently are.

It is worth noting that Crafted Sets are not BIS having easy access to crafted sets you have unlocked through doing master writs is just a QOL thing, they may actually get some sort of use that way. Players using a Stam DPS may find it useful to retrofit as a tank if they can just use their convenient crafted sets they have unlocked.

Dragonnord wrote: »

Nooo! Don't touch anything ZOS as I'm making good gold selling platings. If anything chances it will be OP's fault for opening this thread.

I can assure you, if they implemented what I suggested demand would go up, not down.

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

If they are looking into it... they need to make sure that the change they make doesn't damage the other economies in this game

This excuse is something I just have to laugh at! It's not like this game's economy is keeping people fed, clothed and housed in real life. Adjusting drop rates isn't going to hurt the economy in a game unless you're a Gold Seller! We're not supposed to have those remember?

You drop the cost of platings to 8k each (everybody wants to just get rid of the grain system) and I guarantee you will hear the PVPers howl at the top of their lungs. Nobody would pay more than 30k for anything that is sold at the golden vendor, and AP would become worthless. I am completely baffled at how people can't see that this would be a consequence of changing the drop rates...

I'm talking about the in-game economy, why are you talking about real-world?

Kel wrote: »

tmbrinks wrote: »

Mintaka5 wrote: »

It's like they wanted to add a new feature to the game, yet minimize the reward for participation. Features for features-sake, with no substance to them, but marketing point. This game is infested by this type of progression. They are just catering to those who've acquired rare jewelry items, and a means by which to keep the rest of us who haven't yet progressed to top-tier items chasing nearly impossible end-goal.

Honestly, I don't even bother with jewelry crafting at all. It is too costly, and time consuming, and not worth it.

Daily Jewelry crafting writs are the most profitable of all the crafts because of this. If more people did them, it'd increase the supply, thus reducing the cost.

I will continue to do mine on my 36 characters a day, doing my part to bring down the prices.

On a side note... nearly every single gear setup that people run "in end-game PVE" (can't speak for PVP as I don't really do it) uses jewelry that actually drops in game in gold... you don't need this system (other than the transmutation, which nobody can argue is a "grind", it takes less time than all the other crafts to complete)

Prices have definitely not gone down, and I doubt they will for a long time. (At least on PS4 NA.)

Purple plating used to be around 20k for a single plate. That has actually gone up over time to where it is now...anywhere from 35/40k.

The problem isn't players doing writs, the problem is the drop rate from refining and deconstructing.
I get far more gold mats from refining than I do purple and getting purple dust from deconstructing is a joke. I could deconstruct 10 purple rings and end up with 2 or 3 dust.

I don't see mat prices going down anytime soon, and writs have little to do with it. Your average player isn't going to spend all that gold just to do writs. They will be saving thier plates to most likely upgrade thier own jewelry.

who's talking about using platings to do writs? i'm talking about the daily jewelry crafting writs... the ones that take just ingots. They literally drop chromium grains when you do them. Use 25-30 platinum ingots, get 7 platinum back, 3 of a random lower level, a 12.5% chance at a survey, and a 20% chance at a chromium grain. The survey will have at least 120 platinum dust you can refine, for another approximately 60% chance at another chromium grain

the drop rates from refining are identical to that of the other crafts... I've tracked it... over hundreds of thousands of refines, enough that the data is statistically significant.

5% chance - Gold upgrade material
7.5% chance - Purple upgrade material
12.5% chance - Blue upgrade material
15% chance - Green upgrade material

These are chances per refine of "10" - same for all crafts