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Should normal dlc dungeons drop monster set head piece?
Gordon906
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A lot of the monster sets are locked behind the difficult DLC vet dungeons, and people don't even bother getting them for builds because of that reason. This trend isn't stopping anytime soon.
Should normal dlc dungeons drop monster set head piece? 383 votes
Yes
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79 votes
No
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Other
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Colecovision✭✭✭✭✭
✭OtherYes, when you solo it. Vet selenes with a tank is so much easier than normal selenes solo it's stupud.8 -
MartiniDaniels✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoYou may play without helm, for example 5+5 body+jewelry and vma bow+vma daggers. Or master's staff and asulum stuff.. vma s&b + asylum s&b for tank etc.. maybe a little bit suboptimal, but dungeons should have motivation to play them14 -
XDark_One13✭✭✭OtherIt’s not locked behind vet mode. You can buy them from the golden vendor. I’ve purchased all of my monster helms this way and several shoulders because I don’t do vet dungeons.25
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Tasear✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoMost definitely not, they aren't exceptional hard unless hardmode now. Also um.. if you want something put effort into it.29 -
Bealeb319✭✭✭✭NoIt gives players something to work toward. The game wouldn't be fun if every thing was handed to us11
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Goregrinder✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NoColecovision wrote: »Yes, when you solo it. Vet selenes with a tank is so much easier than normal selenes solo it's stupud.
This would be a sensible option. My Templar runs a shield stacking build that can solo normals easily, would be cool to just farm Helms with him.0 -
peacenote✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoColecovision wrote: »Yes, when you solo it. Vet selenes with a tank is so much easier than normal selenes solo it's stupud.
Generally speaking I am pro- anything that acknowledges or encourages unique ways to challenge yourself, such as solo-ing or duo-ing things. I think, though, that this would be better as achievement-based recognition rather than actual rewards, because this would further discourage people to play tanks and healers. As it is I dislike the trend where people want to run with 3 DPS and no healer... my main is a healer and I'd like to participate! Allowing this type of reward when soloing will push people even more towards DPS. I myself have lots of alts but not everyone does.2 -
Girl_Number8✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoIf you want the swag you have to do the content. I wish they would remove the helms from the golden vendor on top of it.
Nerfilings ruin one thing after the next, as soon as they get anything the easy way. Next, they will be wanting master weapons without the work.
If Zos lowers the ceiling anymore, it will be called the ground....
Edited by Girl_Number8 on June 6, 2019 12:37AM8 -
yRaven✭✭✭✭NoIf you can't do the Veteran Dungeon then you will use the Helmet for what?Jack of all trades. Master of at least one.
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bmnoble✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭OtherThe only change I would like to see, is guaranteed weight drops for the helmet based on what you are wearing.
That and a actual schedule for monster sets on the golden vendor instead of the RNG of which sets are available.
Even just a permanent vendor in Cyrodiil, with all the different set heads/shoulders available but at a significant cost as a gold/AP sink, eg you can still buy the 2 sets at current prices on the golden vendor but buying the specific piece you want from the permanent vendor will cost you 5 maybe 10 times as much as the golden vendor prices.
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Erelah✭✭✭✭YesPersonally I run a healer when I monster helm farming. That way I know I pass the DPS check I may also tank for faster Vet dungeons. As another poster pointed out the monster helms are able to be obtained from a vendor.
The objections to it seems to be it must be earned. To that I have two answers. It was someone earned the money to purchase a video game which sole purpose is to be enjoyed in the ways the game developers have stated we may which is compliance with the terms of service which we agreed upon when installing and after several updates.
The second objection of why else would someone run a dungeon ignores the fact that a monster helm is a 100% drop. The shoulders however are not. The other armor sets are not. People may run the vet dungeons for the keys (two rather than one). Or people may simply like the harder challenge (some people like overcoming challenges just for fun). Another reason is Dungeons are fun. I love Running banishing Cells I and II simply because I love Relis' comments to the Keepers.1 -
Kel✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NoThe only change I would like to see, is guaranteed weight drops for the helmet based on what you are wearing.
That and a actual schedule for monster sets on the golden vendor instead of the RNG of which sets are available.
Even just a permanent vendor in Cyrodiil, with all the different set heads/shoulders available but at a significant cost as a gold/AP sink, eg you can still buy the 2 sets at current prices on the golden vendor but buying the specific piece you want from the permanent vendor will cost you 5 maybe 10 times as much as the golden vendor prices.
Ooof... I'd just run the dungeon....lol
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Edit: no monster helms on normal.Edited by Kel on June 6, 2019 3:53AM0 -
MorganaLaVey✭✭✭✭YesI have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?
But i cant get Zaan because i allways get kicket from vSP so i got stuck with 20k.
If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.
How it is now i have to keep joining vSP groups via Groupfinder jsut to get kicket
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✭✭✭✭NoA lot of the monster sets are locked behind the difficult DLC vet dungeons, and people don't even bother getting them for builds because of that reason. This trend isn't stopping anytime soon.
Define the trend, or provide reference to the data you draw this conclusion from.
"people don' t even bother" means nothing in the context of your supposition as it is a baseless statement. I am people, I do bother.
What monster set(s) in particular are you referring to? Let me guess... Zaan, earthgore by any chance? Seriously, all monster sets are obtainable with effort.MorganaLaVey wrote: »I have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?
But i cant get Zaan because i allways get kicket from vSP so i got stuck with 20k.
If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.
How it is now i have to keep joining vSP groups via Groupfinder jsut to get kicket
Delusional. Zaan isn't going to boost your dps by 20k... Understand this, that would mean an additional 20,000 damage per second - - sustained, continuously - - be sensible, please. Monster sets with procs provide damage spikes and the output is divided over the duration. The proc conditions do not provide that level of damage. Get yourself slimecraw until you get better at your rotation, learn to weave, invest your CP properly, prop your stats and resources with decent gear, learn to mitigate incoming damage properly, learn mechanics... Then try your hand at scalecaller for that bonus 2-4k dps that zaan will really net you.
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I do ~40k with my magplar: julianos (crafted), mother's sorrow (overland), slimecraw (wayrest 1); if healer in group provides combat prayer, I swap shoulders for iceheart. No zaan in that setup.Edited by mairwen85 on June 6, 2019 4:45AM11 -
mocap✭✭✭✭✭
✭Othersolo, yes. Monster sets are not that power creep ZOS did. 1-2k dps, something for tanks, almost useless for healers.
When i read all that "NO, JUST NO", i realise how greedy ESO players are.1 -
thorwyn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?But i cant get Zaan because i allways get kicket from vSP so i got stuck with 20k.
So Zaan makes all the difference between 20k and 40k? That's interesting, I didn't know that.There is one question that springs to mind: how on earth did all the other players get their Zaan helm if they had such low dps before getting it?If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.
No, you couldn't. Stop being lazy and stop hiding behind those "if I just had..." narratives.
Spend 2 hours at the training dummy, learn how to weave, learn your rotation and you will score 35+ dps without any problems whatsoever. The difference between Zaan, Ilambris and Valkyn Skoria is marginal and on top of that: situational because they depend on range.And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
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yRaven✭✭✭✭NoMorganaLaVey wrote: »I have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?
If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.
Sorry to disappoint you but it's not like the helm is going to give 20K more DPS, your problem looks like rotation, i mean really a good rotation is the soul of DPS, with Stormfist+Hunding+Briarheart set and a good rotation i was already doing 30-35k on my StamDen
When i got my Velidreth helm it only increased like +/- 3k DPS, so i start to give 33-40k DPS, the helm don't have magical powers, improve your rotation to maximize your Damage
PS: If you really want a big damage boost get the Maelstrom Weapons... GOD the Maelstrom Bow made my Endless Hail go crazy, a increase to reliable 48-50K DPSEdited by yRaven on June 6, 2019 4:46AMJack of all trades. Master of at least one.
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Muzzick✭✭✭✭NoMorganaLaVey wrote: »I have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?
But i cant get Zaan because i allways get kicket from vSP so i got stuck with 20k.
If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.
How it is now i have to keep joining vSP groups via Groupfinder jsut to get kicket
Zaan doesn't give you 40k, and nobody has Zaan when they beat scalecaller for the first time. Zaan isn't even the best monster set to complete scalecaller.
While 20K dps isn't a lot I doubt that alone is the reason you're being kicked. And there's nothing wrong with being kicked it's part of the learning process and we've all been there.
Follow the above advice already given to you: learn rotation to maximize dps, learn to weave, optimize your build/gear, learn mechanics, do some research in the forums, and if you feel you are still having issues you can ask specific questions to other players. You can join a guild as well both for tips as well as running dungeons with as they may have more patience with you.6 -
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✭✭NoMorganaLaVey wrote: »I have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?
But i cant get Zaan because i allways get kicket from vSP so i got stuck with 20k.
If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.
How it is now i have to keep joining vSP groups via Groupfinder jsut to get kicket
Zaan won't double your DPS. Don't worry... If you want 40k from 20, the least of your worries is the monster helm you're using. You have an entire list of things to improve before the bis monster set makes a difference big enough to be the "next big improvement" to get.3 -
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✭NoMorganaLaVey wrote: »I have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?
But i cant get Zaan because i allways get kicket from vSP so i got stuck with 20k.
If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.
How it is now i have to keep joining vSP groups via Groupfinder jsut to get kicket
Uhm, @MorganaLaVey you are hardcore trolling here, right? If not, you will be in for a surprise if you get that zaan helmet. It won't boost your dps THAT much. If you do 20k now, you will do maybe 22k with Zaan. For Zaan to proc, you need to do heavy or light attacks. If you are dealing 20k now, then you probably aren't good at light attack weaving, so Zaan won't even proc much in the first place. Upping your dps by 20k because of a single set is delusional.
And as for the original poll here: if you can't do the vet DLC dungeon where "your" set drops, then you simply don't need that set yet. The missing set is not your problem, your gameplay still is. You are either not able to play the mechanics of a dungeon properly, or if your dps is terrible, you have a bad rotation and a few hours of practice on a target dummy will help you 100x more than changing a gear set.
If you only quest or play normal dungeons, you will be more than fine with a build that does not use a monstersets at all.
If you are able to do a few easier vet dungeons, you can easily grab alternatives to the dlc sets. Kraagh instead of Velidreth on Stamina DDs, Ilambris or Grothdarr instead of Zaan (Mag DDs), Sentinel of Rkugamz instead of Earthgore (Healers). Those sets are from Fungal Grotto 1, Crypt of Hearts 1, Vaults of Madness and Darkshade Caverns 1, and those are some of the easiest dungeons this game contains. If you can't beat Fungal Grotto 1, the problem is not a missing monsterset, believe me that.PC | EU
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Muzzick✭✭✭✭NoGirl_Number8 wrote: »If you want the swag you have to do the content. I wish they would remove the helms from the golden vendor on top of it.
Nerfilings ruin one thing after the next, as soon as they get anything the easy way. Next, they will be wanting master weapons without the work.
If Zos lowers the ceiling anymore, it will be called the ground....
Already have seen threads with people asking for maelstrom weapons in normal. And next you'll see them asking for perfected trial gear2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭OtherMorganaLaVey wrote: »I have 20k dps and would realy like to do 40k+ like all the good players but how can i do ~40k dps without Zaan?
But i cant get Zaan because i allways get kicket from vSP so i got stuck with 20k.
If i could get Zaan from nSP i cut do 40k dps too.
How it is now i have to keep joining vSP groups via Groupfinder jsut to get kicket
Using zaan and dealing 40k dps is not connected with each other.
Now for my opinion.
As harder the dlc dungeons are (that's where i learned that i need to practice tanking) they are not impossible (as someone who pugs them all the time) and I have completed them with two 20k dps newbies already. My advise, get friends of your own level and go tackle it to learn mechanics. While with the new 3rd boss mechanics it wont be nukable for you (previously 40k group dps was enough, but they changed it, because with lower dps it was impossible or something, now it is really impossible with lower dps xd)
Jeez, good equipment is "locked" behind harder content in an mmo that is supposed to have progression. Imho if you cant get the equipment, you dont really need it.(especially true for zaan, because to use it properly you need to have the ability to position yourself well and survive mechanics while doing so, which is, u know, something u cant do if u cant pass vSP).Edited by zvavi on June 6, 2019 5:19AM2 -
Firstmep✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NoNo the devs need to work on the games difficulty curve, they wont lock dlc dungeons behind prev dungeons achiev etc, but at least completeing normal dlc b4 you can do vet would be nice so ppl at least get a glance at the mechanics.
As someone who has been playing since launch i dont find any 4 man content overwhemingly difficult, but even i can see the massive difference between non dlc and dlc dungeons.1 -
zvavi✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭OtherNo the devs need to work on the games difficulty curve, they wont lock dlc dungeons behind prev dungeons achiev etc, but at least completeing normal dlc b4 you can do vet would be nice so ppl at least get a glance at the mechanics.
As someone who has been playing since launch i dont find any 4 man content overwhemingly difficult, but even i can see the massive difference between non dlc and dlc dungeons.
Please no zos doesn't know how to implement things like that, and many times people dont learn anything in normal, cause u know, nukefesta with mechanics tickling u instead of killing you. Normal dlc, does not prepare you for vet. I mean, it does help a bit, but it doesn't. I dont feel like completing a normal dlc dungeon with every toon i didnt complete it on yet just so i can go vet with it.Edited by zvavi on June 6, 2019 5:29AM4
