No more expansions until this game runs better.
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skiidzman✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »This game runs so poorly on high end machines. Look, I enjoy the content, but going near stitches my fps drop to 22..Really?!
Before people say "upgrade computer" 2080 ti cpu i9 overclock to 5.1 ghz. I built this machine for cyberpunk.
People saying it is a older game. Wow had a patch not to long ago that uses more cores, and it fps is much better in it. My system is not being pushed at all when i get the dips.
This is getting silly at this point.
Your complaints are invalid. Why? Because ESO is perfect. No bugs exist. Performance is the best in the world.
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✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »This game runs so poorly on high end machines. Look, I enjoy the content, but going near stitches my fps drop to 22..Really?!
Before people say "upgrade computer" 2080 ti cpu i9 overclock to 5.1 ghz. I built this machine for cyberpunk.
People saying it is a older game. Wow had a patch not to long ago that uses more cores, and it fps is much better in it. My system is not being pushed at all when i get the dips.
This is getting silly at this point.
So what this all has to do with Expansions?
Your complaint is related to game engine which is probably coded by different team than one working for expansions!0 -
Ramber✭✭✭✭We have asked here the ZoS take 1 90 day update cycle to work on the lag but they always refuse. idk why they cant do both, performance tuning should be part of development, but not a ZoS.0
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✭✭We have asked here the ZoS take 1 90 day update cycle to work on the lag but they always refuse. idk why they cant do both, performance tuning should be part of development, but not a ZoS.
Lags are not easier to overcome, its complicated issue and not same for everyone.
Some facing in PVE and most in PVP, most of time its our ISP issue but not ZOS!0 -
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Well they cant just keep them if they arent paidbarney2525 wrote: »What I think is funny is that so many people think that there is some correlation between the issues the game performance has and the development of Expansions.
One has nothing to do with the other. There are different people working those two separate areas. You just gonna layoff the Expansion people until the Tech people fix things?
That won't speed up improvements at all.
Every piece of gold ZO$ spends on the development/expansion team to work on new stuff is gold they don't have available in the budget to fund a bug-stomp and update team.
Tell us again how it doesn't matter that they are two different teams and why you think it matters?
I they fire me for this i would personally would not come back
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Ankaridan✭✭✭I play ESO on max graphical settings with no FPS loss and no lag, even in no-CP cyrodiil. Ever.
I used to have fps and stuttering issues all the time, until I got a tip from a friend; turn off your add-ons. ESPECIALLY ones that are out-of-date.
I barely use any addons at all, I specifically avoid larger or higher impact addons like Skyshards and Lorebooks (UI are the worst), and I never use an addon that is out-of-date.
Solved all my problems. I never crash or have infinite load screens, I never have FPS loss and I fight in Cyro with no lag. Been this way since pre-Morrowind.2 -
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✭I play ESO on max graphical settings with no FPS loss and no lag, even in no-CP cyrodiil. Ever.
I used to have fps and stuttering issues all the time, until I got a tip from a friend; turn off your add-ons. ESPECIALLY ones that are out-of-date.
I barely use any addons at all, I specifically avoid larger or higher impact addons like Skyshards and Lorebooks (UI are the worst), and I never use an addon that is out-of-date.
Solved all my problems. I never crash or have infinite load screens, I never have FPS loss and I fight in Cyro with no lag. Been this way since pre-Morrowind.
Its great that the game plays that way in your dreams but how is performance when youre actually playing?4 -
Drako_Ei✭✭✭✭✭My pc is 3 times as bad as yours, and i get 40 fps playing on high quality.
Do you have 2 GPUs in your PC? If you do make sure to run it with the good one.0 -
Ankaridan✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »Its great that the game plays that way in your dreams but how is performance when youre actually playing?
A solution has been offered. If you're unwilling to even attempt fixing the problem, it undermines the validity of your complaint.
Enjoy your poor performance, then.
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Sy1ph5✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »Its great that the game plays that way in your dreams but how is performance when youre actually playing?
A solution has been offered. If you're unwilling to even attempt fixing the problem, it undermines the validity of your complaint.
Enjoy your poor performance, then.
It's cool that you dont struggle with performance, but your assumptions that turning addons off will fix cyrodil is objectively false.3 -
Silverforte✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »Its great that the game plays that way in your dreams but how is performance when youre actually playing?
A solution has been offered. If you're unwilling to even attempt fixing the problem, it undermines the validity of your complaint.
Enjoy your poor performance, then.
I don't have a single addon, not even outdated or disabled ones, and the game tends to run like ass water for me. Especially for loading screens taking between 20-30 seconds.3 -
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Did he fart? Dog farts are just the worst and who knows what problems they could cause!!!
Yes, the game is having issues right now for the majority of players. I wish they'd take some time to fix the underlying structure, whether that be to enlarge the megaserver, open another megaserver (or two) or even revamp the game on a new engine but they really REALLY love their money, so until the game just up and exhales its last breath for all players I do not think they will do a single thing to improve the issues occurring on their end.0 -
killahsin✭✭✭stop crying seriously. I may get my post deleted by a mod because it adds nothing useful to this discussion but your post adds nothing useful to this forum.0
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✭✭✭✭barney2525 wrote: »What I think is funny is that so many people think that there is some correlation between the issues the game performance has and the development of Expansions.
One has nothing to do with the other. There are different people working those two separate areas. You just gonna layoff the Expansion people until the Tech people fix things?
That won't speed up improvements at all.
Every piece of gold ZO$ spends on the development/expansion team to work on new stuff is gold they don't have available in the budget to fund a bug-stomp and update team.
Tell us again how it doesn't matter that they are two different teams and why you think it matters?
Well, it seems SOMEONE may have been playing this game too long if they think the currency we use is Gold.
That aside, the budget is only a part of any issue. The budget is determined AFTER a project is laid out and the number of people required for said project is determined.
Why would anyone think that if you have one server, adding People to stand around and nod their heads would improve anything? You sound like you think this is a physical issue. Like picking up a large object. Get more people and you can complete the job faster.
Guess what. It doesn't work that way. If you have One server there is an optimum number of people that work on it. Hiring any more does literally no good. That just stand around and nod their heads in agreement with what others are doing. Throwing more money at them does nothing. You could increase the salaries of the the group and nothing would change. Removing the people from an entirely different project does Nothing.
People need to quit thinking that there are Simple answers and that Zos, for some reason, does not want these issues fixed. I am absolutely convinced that Zos wants every aspect of the game to run smoothly with no problems for anyone.
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✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »What I think is funny is that so many people think that there is some correlation between the issues the game performance has and the development of Expansions.
One has nothing to do with the other. There are different people working those two separate areas. You just gonna layoff the Expansion people until the Tech people fix things?
That won't speed up improvements at all.
Every piece of gold ZO$ spends on the development/expansion team to work on new stuff is gold they don't have available in the budget to fund a bug-stomp and update team.
Tell us again how it doesn't matter that they are two different teams and why you think it matters?
Ill never understand why some people are so dense that they dont comprehend the distribution of funds is what makes the real difference. Sure they may be two teams but if one is getting all the money and personnel
And I am sure that you have Facts and Data to support the accusation that Zos is denying money and personnel toward the service/maintenance and is under staffing that area, but is over staffing R & D and over paying them as well.
Certainly wouldn't be just some idea someone picked out of the air.Edited by barney2525 on June 2, 2019 8:16AM0 -
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✭barney2525 wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »What I think is funny is that so many people think that there is some correlation between the issues the game performance has and the development of Expansions.
One has nothing to do with the other. There are different people working those two separate areas. You just gonna layoff the Expansion people until the Tech people fix things?
That won't speed up improvements at all.
Every piece of gold ZO$ spends on the development/expansion team to work on new stuff is gold they don't have available in the budget to fund a bug-stomp and update team.
Tell us again how it doesn't matter that they are two different teams and why you think it matters?
Ill never understand why some people are so dense that they dont comprehend the distribution of funds is what makes the real difference. Sure they may be two teams but if one is getting all the money and personnel
And I am sure that you have Facts and Data to support the accusation that Zos is denying money and personnel toward the service/maintenance and is under staffing that area, but is over staffing R & D and over paying them as well.
Certainly wouldn't be just some idea someone picked out of the air.
Lol youve got to be *** kidding me with this *** right? You cant be tbis desperate to whiteknight a company that you want to pretend they dont dedicate more resources to making more money than they do to profitless bug fixing.2 -
agegarton✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭stop crying seriously. I may get my post deleted by a mod because it adds nothing useful to this discussion but your post adds nothing useful to this forum.
I think you’re confused: your post added nothing to this thread, however this thread is a valuable addition to the forum. Aside from airing a legitimate recurring complaint, one or two player have listed some helpful and insightful comments.
If you don’t want to participate, don’t. But don’t belittle others’ contributions.0 -
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✭✭✭✭Imperial_Voice wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »What I think is funny is that so many people think that there is some correlation between the issues the game performance has and the development of Expansions.
One has nothing to do with the other. There are different people working those two separate areas. You just gonna layoff the Expansion people until the Tech people fix things?
That won't speed up improvements at all.
Every piece of gold ZO$ spends on the development/expansion team to work on new stuff is gold they don't have available in the budget to fund a bug-stomp and update team.
Tell us again how it doesn't matter that they are two different teams and why you think it matters?
Ill never understand why some people are so dense that they dont comprehend the distribution of funds is what makes the real difference. Sure they may be two teams but if one is getting all the money and personnel
And I am sure that you have Facts and Data to support the accusation that Zos is denying money and personnel toward the service/maintenance and is under staffing that area, but is over staffing R & D and over paying them as well.
Certainly wouldn't be just some idea someone picked out of the air.
Lol youve got to be *** kidding me with this *** right? You cant be tbis desperate to whiteknight a company that you want to pretend they dont dedicate more resources to making more money than they do to profitless bug fixing.
People Quit because of bugs. People don't Quit because of Expansions.
When people Quit Zos loses ALL potential revenue from that source. Therefore fixing Bugs IS the top priority, not just here but in Any game.
Stop inventing things please. You are welcome to your Opinion but the least you can do is be honest and state it as your opinion. Nothing you said was researched and verified as Fact.
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Mannix1958✭✭✭✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »I run at 1440p do you run at 1080?
There it is...good call. No...lower...my monitor would not support 1440p0 -
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✭rager82b14_ESO wrote: »This game runs so poorly on high end machines. Look, I enjoy the content, but going near stitches my fps drop to 22..Really?!
Before people say "upgrade computer" 2080 ti cpu i9 overclock to 5.1 ghz. I built this machine for cyberpunk.
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I get the same FPS in Australia. 2GHz celeron 4 GB RAM. Onboard Intel GPU
I've been able to up the graphics to Max on 80% on most settings.
I don't think that it's your hardware...
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If you use an Nvidia GPU you can still play at 1440p (maybe AMD too, but I wouldn't know for sure). Just enable DSR in the Nvidia control panel.Mannix1958 wrote: »rager82b14_ESO wrote: »I run at 1440p do you run at 1080?
There it is...good call. No...lower...my monitor would not support 1440p
I run ESO at 1440p on my 1080p monitor, using a GTX 1070, and still sit at around 50-60% GPU usage. I can push all the way to 4k and still stay close to 60fps (not quite permanent 60fps though, so I stick to 1440p). ESO is highly CPU restricted, so with a GPU like the OP's he might even be able to play the game at 8k and see no difference in framerate.
You want to disable HD shadows and lower draw distance if you want to increase your framerate, because those are the biggest CPU hogs in ESO.0 -
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✭barney2525 wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »Imperial_Voice wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »What I think is funny is that so many people think that there is some correlation between the issues the game performance has and the development of Expansions.
One has nothing to do with the other. There are different people working those two separate areas. You just gonna layoff the Expansion people until the Tech people fix things?
That won't speed up improvements at all.
Every piece of gold ZO$ spends on the development/expansion team to work on new stuff is gold they don't have available in the budget to fund a bug-stomp and update team.
Tell us again how it doesn't matter that they are two different teams and why you think it matters?
Ill never understand why some people are so dense that they dont comprehend the distribution of funds is what makes the real difference. Sure they may be two teams but if one is getting all the money and personnel
And I am sure that you have Facts and Data to support the accusation that Zos is denying money and personnel toward the service/maintenance and is under staffing that area, but is over staffing R & D and over paying them as well.
Certainly wouldn't be just some idea someone picked out of the air.
Lol youve got to be *** kidding me with this *** right? You cant be tbis desperate to whiteknight a company that you want to pretend they dont dedicate more resources to making more money than they do to profitless bug fixing.
People Quit because of bugs. People don't Quit because of Expansions.
When people Quit Zos loses ALL potential revenue from that source. Therefore fixing Bugs IS the top priority, not just here but in Any game.
Stop inventing things please. You are welcome to your Opinion but the least you can do is be honest and state it as your opinion. Nothing you said was researched and verified as Fact.
Youre so obscenely full of *** that its unbearable lol ZoS themselves have said that new content takes top priority over big fixing. Or is Matt Firor suddenly not in the know?0 -
Cortimi✭✭✭✭✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »Now what the problems you have on a high end computer....... Just imagine how the game runs on consoles 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Runs fantastic on Xbox One X. Then again, games are actually you know, optimized and such. You heathens just get whatever whenever wherever and pray for the best.Xbox NA: Soviet Messiah
EP: Cortimi - Imperial StamDK
EP: Melga - Orc StamDen (Dah Bear)
EP: Narileya - Nord StamPlar (Mad cuz Bad)
EP: Corvaera - Bosmer Orc StamSorc (RIP)
PS4 NA (Retired at CP835): Soviet-Messiah:
EP: Cortimi - Imperial StamDK
DC: Melga gra-Antilae - StamDen
AD: Corvaera - Bosmer StamSorcCP is a crutch for people who can’t sustain and want to be "tanky" so they aren’t immediately punished for making mistakes.0 -
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✭Kidgangster101 wrote: »Now what the problems you have on a high end computer....... Just imagine how the game runs on consoles 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Runs fantastic on Xbox One X. Then again, games are actually you know, optimized and such. You heathens just get whatever whenever wherever and pray for the best.
PC is truly the roman bathhouse of gaming.0 -
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✭✭barney2525 wrote: »barney2525 wrote: »What I think is funny is that so many people think that there is some correlation between the issues the game performance has and the development of Expansions.
One has nothing to do with the other. There are different people working those two separate areas. You just gonna layoff the Expansion people until the Tech people fix things?
That won't speed up improvements at all.
Every piece of gold ZO$ spends on the development/expansion team to work on new stuff is gold they don't have available in the budget to fund a bug-stomp and update team.
Tell us again how it doesn't matter that they are two different teams and why you think it matters?
Well, it seems SOMEONE may have been playing this game too long if they think the currency we use is Gold.
That aside, the budget is only a part of any issue. The budget is determined AFTER a project is laid out and the number of people required for said project is determined.
Why would anyone think that if you have one server, adding People to stand around and nod their heads would improve anything? You sound like you think this is a physical issue. Like picking up a large object. Get more people and you can complete the job faster.
Guess what. It doesn't work that way. If you have One server there is an optimum number of people that work on it. Hiring any more does literally no good. That just stand around and nod their heads in agreement with what others are doing. Throwing more money at them does nothing. You could increase the salaries of the the group and nothing would change. Removing the people from an entirely different project does Nothing.
People need to quit thinking that there are Simple answers and that Zos, for some reason, does not want these issues fixed. I am absolutely convinced that Zos wants every aspect of the game to run smoothly with no problems for anyone.
First: Gold.... humor....
Second: Bugs.... There are thousands in hundreds of thousands or millions of lines of code. Most of them are syntax errors, where someone put in an extra colon, or left out a variable, or inverted several variables.
We're not talking about a 'large object'.
We're not talking about the number of people that can all fit inside the server room at the same time.
We're not talking about how many pallbearers can all lay hands on the same coffin at the same time.
Third: This is a complicated issue only in that not everyone can code, but it's a simple issue in that many coders could fix the bugs (after evaluating the bugs by type and area of effect) if you were to give the coders 10 bugs each (for example), and had many coders working simultaneously.
There would be overlap, but it's not an insurmountable problem.
I'm relatively certain that projects like the SpaceX missions had simultaneous teams working on code, and they managed to pull it off.
And they had to invent a lot of the hardware/software while making the project work.
I'm sure ZO$ wants the game to run smoothly for everyone, too, but we don't seem to be seeing them do much about it.
Reference bugs reported in the test server discussions that show up in the final code anyway.
The problem with society these days is that no one drinks from the skulls of their enemies anymore.0
