I’m a DPS that queues as a tank...let me explain

satanio · May 2019

Doesnt matter at all in normal dungs. I’m a tank and I always respec for a dps when I go normal. And I can still fulfill the role of a tank. Just slot inner fire.

If you queue as fake tank for vet dungs, theres something wrong with you, bcs apparently you like to torture yourself.

Nyladreas · May 2019

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

FastBen wrote: »

Why you all don't get it? It's not about needing a tank in a norm dungeon or not. In the same group you were, there was another dd, who queued as such fot 15 minutes. Then you come as fake tank waiting on the queue for 30 seconds. Well that is the problem for me! It's rude and selfish! What would happen if we all queue as tanks or healers??

The queues would all be faster as a result? He's actually helping that DD that was waiting there for a long time, by allowing the dungeon to start.

False logic here.

*proceeds argue that something is false logic by using false logic*

How is my logic here false? Quicker dungeons mean less queue time for everyone.

John_Falstaff wrote: »

Nyladreas wrote: »

FastBen wrote: »

Why you all don't get it? It's not about needing a tank in a norm dungeon or not. In the same group you were, there was another dd, who queued as such fot 15 minutes. Then you come as fake tank waiting on the queue for 30 seconds. Well that is the problem for me! It's rude and selfish! What would happen if we all queue as tanks or healers??

The queues would all be faster as a result? He's actually helping that DD that was waiting there for a long time, by allowing the dungeon to start.

False logic here.

...and then the DD in question will lose position in the queue when they, after first wipe, will have to kick that "tank", so everyone will have to wait extra.

Why would they lose their position if they can pull the dungeon and often even carry the group? Only becuase the others get mad? Wow. That's entirely on them.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · May 2019

gamerguy757 wrote: »

No I do not slot a taunt or anything. Just pure DPS. I PUG vWGT and we burned down the first boss so fast that she never jailed anyone. We all grouped in a circle for Molag Kena and burned her down. We never had a problem with turning the boss or anything. She hit us hard, healer healed and we did the rest.

A non Meta Tank, with solo build, who can control multiple aggro, debuff, soak up ridiculous amount of damage and possibly heal (Templar solo builds good example) dishes 14K dps with Sword & Shield on single target and 30K on trash fights.

You as a DD doing 25K without taunting, not been able to soak up damage, neither showing respect to the rest of the group, you are just a leech.

And what Molag Kena has to do with anything? It is the easiest DLC boss of them all. However I doubt your claims, simply because the vet Plannar Inhibitor is not nerfed like it's normal version with Wrathstone. So I doubt you have done in vet as you claim.

Vercingetorix · May 2019

Frankly, I tend to agree with this "no tank" sentiment when it's the base game Normal dungeons. If the pugs would just sit next to the boss and trust their healer, the boss wouldn't need a taunt because he'd have no need to move anywhere. The reason why fake tanks are an issue is the pugs that end up running around like clowns, leading the boss out of the AoE damage.

Kidgangster101 · May 2019

So you said you don't like tanking for bad DPS, so what happens when bad DPS are the dps while you are fake tanking? Are you going to kick them because they are bad and dying to mechanics because your not doing your role?

What if your a fake tank and we have a fake healer so you have 4 DPS in a vet dungeon and now the poor DPS that waiting 40 minutes have to rejoin que because you guys aren't skillful enough to clear the dungeon?

My theory is fake tank with a taunt, fake tank in a premade group so the skill level is high enough to beat instance no problem, but don't fake tank because you don't want to wait in que.

And lastly what if the DPS is low level/low CP and they don't know any better still learning the game. Your needs of fast que exceeds their needs to actually learn the game? Maybe that is one of the reasons we have so many bad DPS because they never got an actual chance to learn...... Logic maybe? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · May 2019

NordSwordnBoard wrote: »

I que as a real tank, and people like you cause some groups to treat me like the Messiah after they vote kick.

Some people can't be saved though

I perfectly understand you

You cannot imagine how many times I join some group in the middle of the night to do my random normal, and I am the 3rd tank with the previous 2 kicked as completely rubbish.

byrdmanwes · May 2019

With everything that's been said already, here's an addition.....

A good tank and/or healer can turn 2 dps into 4+ dps with the amount of debuff, buffs, resources, crowd control, and just general not having to worry about survival as much.

Don't be selfish. A well balanced team of players that all know their role and do their role will succeed.

Jayman1000 · May 2019

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So yes...I will admit it I queue as a tank and I am a DPS. Now I have a tank that I use but I do queue as a tank. Let me explain.
A majority of the dungeons do not really require tanks. The DLC dungeons? Okay yeah those require tanks (except vWGT. You can 4 DPS that).
Now if you queue as a tank, be 110% sure you can A) Self heal effectively and DPS at a 25-30k.
We do this because we are sick of tanking really bad PUGs who can’t DPS an add. So if we queue as a tank, and we can DPS effectively we can speed through a dungeon without delay.
Look if you’re going to fake tank, make sure you have good DPS and can heal yourself.
But DO NOT fake tank DLC dungeons. That’s just cruel

Yes, Im almost entirely with you on this one (except you should slot a taunt, just use inner fire, no reason not to). What the angery "FAKE TANK!"-screaming crowd fail to remember, is that you actually provide a tank role for a couple of dd's and a healer waiting in the queue. If you did not do this they would have to wait longer for another tank. If no one did this you can bet your jazz that all them dds and healers would wait 50% longer in the queue, because there would be 50% less tanks queued.... as long as the group can advance through the dungeon in a good pace, or even fast pace, and you are not bugging things down, it's pure win-win.

darthgummibear_ESO · May 2019

This is the kind of post that makes me wish this forum had a downvote button. You are trying to rationalize your selfish desire to skip the dps queue.

p_tsakirisb16_ESO · May 2019

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

This is the kind of post that makes me wish this forum had a downvote button. You are trying to rationalize your selfish desire to skip the dps queue.

Mind you the DPS queue can be skipped if 2 players are grouped together.

Imperial_Voice · May 2019

Never seen someone take to the forums to declare themselves a piece of crap

zaria · May 2019

NocturnalSonata wrote: »

Normal dungeon (non dlc) - do not need a tank or taunt.

We can argue that it diminishes player experience without one, but this only really applies if you are playing with a bunch of new players. Even then, all it takes is one competent DD getting paired, and their experience is diminished anyway as that DD will steamroll it anyway.

Normal DLC - Mixed feeling son this one

These don't absolutely require a tank, but if you are gonna fake it, make sure you can hard carry, and if needed, slap on some tank gear/taunt and tank it if needed. I have a set of plague doctor for this exact purpose and inner fire. Only ever had to do this once, and it was actually for a trial because the tank we had disappeared and it was just quicker if someone just did their role instead of looking for a new one.

General Points
Don't fake queue for VET unless its a pre-made

If you fake queue normal, at least be able to hard carry if needed. And if for some reason its a dlc that really needs the tank, then have some tank gear and do what needs to be done.

If you do get paired with all low lvl's, use your savvy, and if needed just slot taunt and have some fun face tanking for them. its hardly a big deal.

Everyone moaning about chaining and grouping enemies in normal dungeons???? people must be high or something or i really hope this is intended for VET only comments. Because in normal, by the time the tank does that, everything dead already anyway, so its utterly pointless. Vet is different though, just dont fake queue, get a premade instead if you want that.

This, for standard normal, even an experienced player high cp player who know rotations and is running crafted gear and using food will dominate the fight if the others are new / noobs / casuals.
Also called necromancer. An cp 700 with vMA grinding for max cp LOL.

You have normal DLC and you have Moonhunter and March of sacrifices, Yes they are up above the 1 vet dungeons.
Again an vMA build should work it it worked in vMA, but without an taunt you are likely to be solo it.

Vet, again some are easier than new normal DLC. I would not kick an fake tank with high dps in vCoA1, vCoA2 and you are in trouble.

And yes always assume healer is an fake to

Also this give other ideas, DD who do tank level damage and dies in delves.

LadySinflower · May 2019

Most of the normal dungeons I've PUGged for are not like running with an organized group. Nobody is saying anything - there's rarely any communication. The minute everyone is there the group just starts running. Nobody seems to be trying to tank or heal. I don't remember ever not having to self-heal in a PUG. I don't remember anyone trying to control the bosses or mobs. If I died I stayed that way until the fight was over - nobody rezzes anyone in any of the PUGs I've been in. Run, fight, run run run, fight, run run, fight, run run run, kill last boss, everyone leaves immediately. No gear swapping, no looting, no making sure whoever needed the quest got it. Just a general feeling of "WTF was that?" It's over in less than ten minutes, five for really easy ones. But I will admit that I don't do much group content at all. So my experience is limited to less than a couple dozen PUG dungeon runs. Where I have done dungeons with arranged groups, everyone took their role very seriously and knew who the noobs were (me). I was fortunate to meet a group of guys one night who helped me through vCoA and gave me all the gear. They queued me as the healer even though I said I didn't know how to do that role, and we improvised. Really great guys, and I now have several Valkyn Skoria helmets to show for it. But stuff like that is rare. PUGs don't really seem to take roles that seriously in my limited experience. I would like it if they did.

CMDR_Un1k0rn · May 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

darthgummibear_ESO wrote: »

This is the kind of post that makes me wish this forum had a downvote button. You are trying to rationalize your selfish desire to skip the dps queue.

Mind you the DPS queue can be skipped if 2 players are grouped together.

Which begs the question, why, in this rather popular MMO, is OP just not using a bit of basic social skills and finding a wingman?

C'mon, I'm a literal Agoraphobic and even I find a fellow DD to pair with, at least!

RodneyRegis · May 2019

FastBen wrote: »

Why you all don't get it? It's not about needing a tank in a norm dungeon or not. In the same group you were, there was another dd, who queued as such fot 15 minutes. Then you come as fake tank waiting on the queue for 30 seconds. Well that is the problem for me! It's rude and selfish! What would happen if we all queue as tanks or healers??

That guy would wait half an hour if the fake tank didn't join. There are so few proper tanks running pugs these days that without fake tanks it would take hours to get inti a random normal.

Edit - but must have a taunt and at least an immobiliser like caltrops. Preferably undaunted chains too.

Dark_Lord_Kuro · May 2019

SidraWillowsky wrote: »

Dark_Lord_Kuro wrote: »

I do it too but i respect the group by
1 only base game version 1 dungeon
2 no random so im sure its not 1 i cant do
3 leaving if it cause a problem

Respecting the group would be not queueing as a fake tank in the first place.

Anyway i dont care

Icy_Waffles · May 2019

I’m with TC. Throw on a taunt, melt the dungeon- do more dps that the other two dps combined, do it without needing healing, and move on. For most normal why not. Now... if you can’t hold taunt, survive and crazy burn then you don’t belong doing this either...

Of course why people run normal dungeons at that level is beyond me. Experience from random daily? Cmon. Experience is easy in this game.

sevomd69 · May 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

No I do not slot a taunt or anything. Just pure DPS. I PUG vWGT and we burned down the first boss so fast that she never jailed anyone. We all grouped in a circle for Molag Kena and burned her down. We never had a problem with turning the boss or anything. She hit us hard, healer healed and we did the rest.

A non Meta Tank, with solo build, who can control multiple aggro, debuff, soak up ridiculous amount of damage and possibly heal (Templar solo builds good example) dishes 14K dps with Sword & Shield on single target and 30K on trash fights.

You as a DD doing 25K without taunting, not been able to soak up damage, neither showing respect to the rest of the group, you are just a leech.

And what Molag Kena has to do with anything? It is the easiest DLC boss of them all. However I doubt your claims, simply because the vet Plannar Inhibitor is not nerfed like it's normal version with Wrathstone. So I doubt you have done in vet as you claim.

Ummm...actually it has been nerfed...WGT has essentially become a non-DLC dungeon...

LeagueTroll · May 2019

Because others are not fulfilling their duty i must adapt? Srsly bruh, the correct solution is still kick the supposed damage dealer who is doing barely any dmg.

LeagueTroll · May 2019

Kidgangster101 wrote: »

So you said you don't like tanking for bad DPS, so what happens when bad DPS are the dps while you are fake tanking? Are you going to kick them because they are bad and dying to mechanics because your not doing your role?

What if your a fake tank and we have a fake healer so you have 4 DPS in a vet dungeon and now the poor DPS that waiting 40 minutes have to rejoin que because you guys aren't skillful enough to clear the dungeon?

My theory is fake tank with a taunt, fake tank in a premade group so the skill level is high enough to beat instance no problem, but don't fake tank because you don't want to wait in que.

And lastly what if the DPS is low level/low CP and they don't know any better still learning the game. Your needs of fast que exceeds their needs to actually learn the game? Maybe that is one of the reasons we have so many bad DPS because they never got an actual chance to learn...... Logic maybe? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔

I play real tank, and potatoes on forum still question me kicking these fake damage dealer. They have plenty of chances to learn. It’s called google and blindly follow a 40k+ build.

DaveMoeDee · May 2019

luton0watford4 wrote: »

If I wasn't a tank myself, I would wait until we got the last boss and then kick you.

So long as it isn't a pledge. I hate when I queue to tank a pledge and get pulled in on the final boss. Useless to me. If I get pulled in to last boss for a random, great. Quick XP, pledge or not. But sometimes I'll just say 'no thanks' if I get pulled into a pug at final boss of pledge.

DaveMoeDee · May 2019

What does OP do when his group has people who can't handle being attacked by the boss when no one is taunting? Does he just ignore their struggles and solo? Does he decide the group can't handle the dungeon and quit?

DaveMoeDee · May 2019

p_tsakirisb16_ESO wrote: »

gamerguy757 wrote: »

No I do not slot a taunt or anything. Just pure DPS. I PUG vWGT and we burned down the first boss so fast that she never jailed anyone. We all grouped in a circle for Molag Kena and burned her down. We never had a problem with turning the boss or anything. She hit us hard, healer healed and we did the rest.

A non Meta Tank, with solo build, who can control multiple aggro, debuff, soak up ridiculous amount of damage and possibly heal (Templar solo builds good example) dishes 14K dps with Sword & Shield on single target and 30K on trash fights.

You as a DD doing 25K without taunting, not been able to soak up damage, neither showing respect to the rest of the group, you are just a leech.

And what Molag Kena has to do with anything? It is the easiest DLC boss of them all. However I doubt your claims, simply because the vet Plannar Inhibitor is not nerfed like it's normal version with Wrathstone. So I doubt you have done in vet as you claim.

Yeah, vWGT is a bad example as you don't necessarily need a full tank for PI and Molag Kena is super easy. PI is easiest if you can just burn it down and avoid mechanics. The only time I ever had an issue with Molag Kena was when someone kept going near the edge and getting pushed off. People would try to rez and also get pushed off. Then I said "stay away from the edge" and we were fine.

Also, token examples of when it works are pointless. The issue is the times it doesn't work and the entire group suffers.

siddique · May 2019

We've had a fake tank in vMoS who turned into a WW on the second boss. -_- and he wouldn't listen. It was hopeless.

Cortimi · May 2019

I wish I could queue into this guy's group as a DPS and wear my tank gear.

SORjosh · May 2019

I see the OP went fishing and caught a boatload with this troll. Nice job OP

pod88kk · May 2019

It's normal fungal 1 & I have a taunt & can solo it..... Enjoy the free XP

BigBragg · May 2019

So you are attempting use logic to try and validate impatience and self entitlement?

idk · May 2019

Vercingetorix wrote: »

Frankly, I tend to agree with this "no tank" sentiment when it's the base game Normal dungeons. If the pugs would just sit next to the boss and trust their healer, the boss wouldn't need a taunt because he'd have no need to move anywhere. The reason why fake tanks are an issue is the pugs that end up running around like clowns, leading the boss out of the AoE damage.

You are assuming there is a real healer in the group. We have gotten a healer that was a DK without a Resto. It does not get any more fake than that. We are good enough players we did not need a healer in nCoS and we chose to kick them just before the final boss for being a jerk, the no healer part was just icing on the cake. Velidreth on normal is easy enough to 3 man without a healer.

BTW, the fake healer was fuming. Kept whispering me for a bit raging. Good entertainment as we got a laugh from their comments.

Edit: The answer to a fake tank or fake healer is be able to do more than one role and kick them fake one when you get them. Who cares if they get upset. That is a personal problem. If they cannot taunt or do not have a heal to do their chosen role and it impedes the group they are causing a problem for the group. We usually queue with a full group but no less than 3 of us so we have control. Though we tend to only kick players for being jerks, not for being bad players even if we are in vet DLC dungeons as we know we can carry who ever we get.

rothtwinsdad · May 2019

Absolutely unacceptable!! Can you taunt hold agro on vet bosses? NO!! Do some dlc vet dungeons require a tank? YES!! Your bs are not acceptable reasons to cue as tank. Wait in que like everyone else does or should.

gamerguy757 wrote: »

So yes...I will admit it I queue as a tank and I am a DPS. Now I have a tank that I use but I do queue as a tank. Let me explain.
A majority of the dungeons do not really require tanks. The DLC dungeons? Okay yeah those require tanks (except vWGT. You can 4 DPS that).
Now if you queue as a tank, be 110% sure you can A) Self heal effectively and DPS at a 25-30k.
We do this because we are sick of tanking really bad PUGs who can’t DPS an add. So if we queue as a tank, and we can DPS effectively we can speed through a dungeon without delay.
Look if you’re going to fake tank, make sure you have good DPS and can heal yourself.
But DO NOT fake tank DLC dungeons. That’s just cruel