Lord-Otto wrote: »

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Lord-Otto wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

Juhasow wrote: »

Alienoutlaw wrote: »

there is virtually no difference if the build is right
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8lY7ANfBLw

Non Pet rotation 51.2k DPS 3M dummy parse 00:17
Cmx report 01:20
Superstar 01:32

Pet rotation 53.3k DPS 3M dummy parse 01:36
Cmx report 02:38
Superstar 02:51

just for info

53k with pet on 3M dummy ? Your're doing something wrong. For me when I get less then 56k with pet that means I screwed rotation really badly.

Here is example of what You can get with pet. This is selfbuffed btw minor berserk comes from slimecraw.

Btw in Your rotation without pet You were really lucky with crits while during parse with pet Your crits were pretty weak so that makes those 2 parses closer then they should be.

You know, that's actually not a true pet build. It's just a non-pet sorc (Elemental Weapon, fire staff) with the Twilight added in. The important thing missing is the Scamp.
So, what I gather is that non-pet still deals more damage than pet (Scamp). The Twilight is very strong, so much it actually enhances a non-pet rotation. If you have the barspace. You do have a shield slotted for mechanics, and Frags to buff your group with Prophecy, right? It's not just a dummy cheese?
This means you can't just nerf Twilight. It'll worsen true pet sorcs even more. In fact, the Scamp needs a buff. This is what your stats show.

Say what @Lord-Otto ? Are there some additional rules now to be considered as "petsorc" other then using a pet ? Now You're saying there are "true" and "false" pet sorcs ? So sorc with 1 pet is false petsorc and only 2 pets makes You true petsorc ? That's wierd because last time when scamp was OP like hell around homestead and every sorc was running just with it everyone was calling that setup petsorc but now when scamp was replaced with twilight it's no longer a pet build ? Or is it only a scamp that makes You a "true petsorc" and twilight is inferior and doesnt count ? It's funny then because every build in PvP that runs with twilight is also considered as petsorc.

Using a pet no matter which one makes You a pet-sorc and what skills and gear You use with it it's just a matter of optimising the setup to get best results. That is why I used elemental weapon and fire staff because it gives best results. You want to tell me that to become "true petsorc" I need to gimp myself down and run with lightning staff and force pulse because this is what "true petsorcs" are doing ? There is only 1 rule to be considered as a pet-sorc : having atleast 1 pet slotted. What You're saying about "true petsorc" is just pure delusion and bending reality to the needs of Your arguments.

For the record it was fully selfbuffed parse with ele drain used by me so in group enviroment I would slot shield instead of ele drain. As for frags umm look at the parse maybe ? Frag is the 2nd ability there and minor prophecy uptime is 100%.

The Scamp is indeed a gamechanger and it's the oldest pet being used in a pet build. That is why I call it a "true" petsorc. You can call it "traditional" if those semantics suit you better. And you're not making naming rules, neither. According to you, using the Atronach alone would make a pet build. Eh. The Scamp requires a lightning staff and heavy attacks, a significant variation from non-pet rotations. Scamp builds also don't use Force Pulse.

Anyways, you cemented my point. Non-pet rotation (Force/Elemental+fire) is stronger than TRADITIONAL pet (Scamp+lightning). You said that yourself. Which means the Scamp does indeed need a buff.

(I missed the Frags and Cyrodiil has other builds than PvE, therefore other names)

Scamp is not "traditional" pet. It was simply used 1st because it was broken like hell when it becam a meta. Now ZoS finally rebalanced strenght of sorcs pets and scamp is doing more AoE dmg and twilight more single target which is finally as it always should be. Fact that scamp was broken 1st doesnt mean it's traditional pet that just means ZoS is weak at balancing things. Let me rephrase my naming rules since I see You're really stubborn in Your delusion. To be called a petsorc You need atleast 1 pet double slotted and active. Now You're happy ? There is no "traditional" pet build or pet rotation. Game changes so the setups and rotations. The only name for Your theory that would match is "old fashioned" not "traditional" or "true". Btw I use also a daedric prey so I dont think my rotation is the same as non pet sorc which is using haunting curse.

Scamp+lightning staff is also a pet build but it's "old fashioned" now new meta for petsorc in single target fights is fire staff and twilight. For AoE fights though You can use lightnnig staff and scamp. Scamp should never be primary pet for single target fights. That was just flaw in design on ZoS side which they finally fixed and no scamp does not need a buff. It still does it job in AoE fights which is his area of expertise. Anything else like requirements of heavy attacks etc it's also just "old fashioned" ways from the old time of weaker sustain etc. Game is changing same as setups and rotations. Currently even with lightning staff and scamp You'll do more DPS with light attack rotation then with heavy attacks. By the logic of Your naming rules there isnt true petsorc in the game anyway because nobody plays petsorcs currently as he would in 2014. By that logic there is no true or traditional setup of any kind currently because nobody plays now the way people were playing in 2014 when 1st builds of any kind were created. Using any active sorc pet makes You a petsorc Your prefferences decides do You want to play it in old fashioned or best in slot ways. Fact that You want for that pet to be scamp and You want to pair it with lightning staff and use heavy attacks all the way through doesnt mean everyone else who wont do that cannot be called petsorc it just means You're stucked in 2017.

God, I'm talking to a wall here. You just don't get it. SCAMP NEEDS LIGHTNING STAFF. That's the big one here. You can't apply your rotation to a (whatever) sorc with Scamp. Is this so hard to comprehend?
So in order to keep the Scamp competitive, it requires quite the buff to make up for the inferior rotation. AoE is a strawman argument, counts for ship in a boss fight. Those few bosses that actually have many ads are being dealth with with your standard AoEs like Wall, Hail, Path, etc. Scamp AoE is not needed.
Oh, and Maw of the Infernal with Atronach and Daedric Prey most certainly is a pet build. Again, you don't have the authority to decide naming here neither, no matter how angry you get. Now chill down, man.