Well, a random group isn’t always a good indicator of how you’re doing. Moon Hunter Keep, which is what you’re talking about, is one of the harder dungeons. Templar’s aren’t BiS for endgame raids but they can still be played, though I think they’re more magicka/hybrid based than pure stamina from what I understand. Best thing you can do rn is probably join a decent guild with members that regularly run dungeons on normal and vet and do open normal trials runs and vet training runs. The guild finder tool coming with Monday’s patch should help with that.

Short Version - Yes.

Long Version - Maybe.

Templar Tanking is actually hugely reliant on mag-cost skills. By making a Stamina Tankplar, you've limited yourself in the sense that your self-sustain is going to be virtually non-existent. Once the healer goes down, outside of ults (Shield Wall, Practiced Incantation, Replenishing Barrier) you are screwed. You are giving up your self and group heals, your shield, your damage amplification+hot, your gap closer, and your ranged pull/initial aggro, along with your minor protection as you won't have a reasonable aedric skill to use to maintain the buff.

What you are gaining is the ability to block more often and utilize guild skills to replace class skills. I have a Tankplar, it has huge magicka recovery, a 20k mag pool vs a 15k stam pool --- and even with blocking, taunting, and using silver leash when necessary, it does not run out of stamina because of how easy it is to slip in a heavy attack while Blazing Shield is up.

Now what you are gaining...
Extra debuff --- since Purifying light will have both low damage and low heal with a stamina build, Power of the Light is going to be your go-to, to bring back Damage Amplification and Minor Fracture/Breach.

Easy self-cleanse --- since the scaling on ritual of retribution is off of primary stat, you can still utilize this; the heal won't be as high value, but it will still be a reasonable tool in your kit.

Synergy Shield --- the Undaunted Spiked Bone is now your friend in terms of a shield.

Easier Trash sustain --- not that this matters much for either build, but having Repentance slotted up and using it as adds fall will help to keep you running, as long as the party is.

More debuffery! --- backbar an infused bow and endless hail + crusher to further emphasize what you are about; weakening your opponent as much as possible.

Proc-on-Block --- Battalion Defender set may now be a good one for you to look into, a 2k heal on self/ally when you block an attack (melee or ranged).

It's a trade-off of bringing a little more debuff (that you could do as easily with magicka honestly, or not worry about the minor breach/fracture) for losing a lot of self-sustain, or orienting towards a near perma-block build. If that style of play appeals to you of just dragging things close and holding block, and you are enjoying it, then no you didn't waste your time. If it doesn't, then you still didn't waste your time, you just need to change your gear and mindset accordingly.

Don't worry on the racial passives if you are focusing on class skills for the tank, you have a lot of leeway to be an efficient and effective tank.

With some practice and modification, you'll still be able to do all content in the game, just not at the absolute limit of efficiency. Enjoy being one of the 99%.

I've recently geared up a pure(almost) stamina only Templar Tank, and I love it. It works amazing in Dungeons and while I have yet to take it into Trials I see little issues for it in most of them. though self healing in situations where you got few or no healers could be difficult.

I will say this though, its never a waste to make a character like that. Sure its not meta and for real hardcore progression and score running you either will not be where you want to be or people will simply refuse to take you on that character. If you want to run with the best of them to be up there then running meta or being so in tuned with the game that you can improve on the meta, anything else will simply fall short for obvious reasons.

As well having multiple characters in ESO as well as in most MMOs helps a lot for the continued growth of your account. Everything from events to grinding gear is easier the more characters you have. So again, your effort is never wasted. I think the stamina only templar tank is a ton of fun, just not super competitive.

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paulsimonps wrote: »

I've recently geared up a pure(almost) stamina only Templar Tank, and I love it. It works amazing in Dungeons and while I have yet to take it into Trials I see little issues for it in most of them. though self healing in situations where you got few or no healers could be difficult.

I will say this though, its never a waste to make a character like that. Sure its not meta and for real hardcore progression and score running you either will not be where you want to be or people will simply refuse to take you on that character. If you want to run with the best of them to be up there then running meta or being so in tuned with the game that you can improve on the meta, anything else will simply fall short for obvious reasons.

As well having multiple characters in ESO as well as in most MMOs helps a lot for the continued growth of your account. Everything from events to grinding gear is easier the more characters you have. So again, your effort is never wasted. I think the stamina only templar tank is a ton of fun, just not super competitive.

Stamplar tank used to be in a position where it got the most out of the least; i.e. you really only needed a few core skills to reach optimal tanking efficiency which left you with an incredibly wide variety towards build selection. I've tried every variation of tank and the only observation that favors Stamplar is doing damage. Nothing comes remotely close to matching the offensive prowess of Stamplar when it comes to tanking. You can literally only have Rune + Vigor + Emp sweep as your entire tanking toolkit and do any 4 man sans VBRP. Everything else was icing on the cake.

Unfortunately, I don't see how Stamplar Tanking will survive come Elseweyr. The removal of Major Protection from emp sweep outright blocks you from certain content. The class will be unable to operate without the use of a dedicated defensive set whereas it could run a hybrid offensive set pre-Elseweyr.

If emp sweep doesn't get changed, then Stamplar tanking should still be doable.

I mean I have yet to actually use that ultimate on my Stamina Templar soo.... I don't see why it would be needed... Got enough mitigation as is for 4 man. Sure their class ability toolkit ain't all that, but their sustain in trash fights and while blocking makes them great for S&B/Bow tanking. In 4 man vet dungeons they can easily run a bunch of support sets and still use a bunch of CC and support abilities. Silver Leash, Bombard, Power of the Light, Heroic Slash, Pierce Armor, Endless Hail(for enchantments). Again, they might not be great for Trials but they are easy to run in 4 man and have almost all the buffs and debuffs for damage that you could want with the right sets.

The reasons why Templars were poopooed was because lack of certain abilities, such as chains, but with silver leash etc I see no reason for a Stam temp tank to not be fine

I also started with/"mained" an orc stamplar tank! But once I got to about 300cp--and tried other classes for tanking--I converted my orc stamplar into a dps, and now it's one of my best dps toons. Maybe do something like that? Orc is really strong for stam dps.

In my tank experience, templar tanks are meh, but the best ones tend to be more mag oriented for better heals.

Stamplar DD is still one of the sturdier DDs out there, albeit it's damage is less than stellar.

I'm becoming more interested in the idea of an Orc Templar DD the more I look into it. Another thread featured a number of people saying that Orcs were intended towards a style of very versatile stamina play, making either for a hard-hitting tank or a sturdy DD, which someone has already mentioned here.

If I were to make this Orc a DD, then, where should I start? Which attributes am I putting points into? And what's the recommended armour; medium or heavy? Any good sets?

Thanks to all for input so far; any further help is massively appreciated.