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Request for new class, ACTUAL Necromancer
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bearbelly✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭All the pet-sorcs running around and infringing on everyone else's space (actually blocking access to merchants, crafting stations, etc.) with their perma-pets is already a nightmare to put up with.
We do not need another popular class, that will be played by lots of people, running around with an even larger permanent entourage.
Temporary necro summons are fine.6 -
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✭If you want permanent pets, start an RP (Role-playing) guild and have people dress up as zombies and Daedra and have them follow you around
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BlueRaven✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Necromancers need more permanent pets, not momentarily “skeleton-shaped” spells. If generic npc necromancers in Skyrim can walk around with pets for several minutes or longer, there is no reason the players can’t in ESO.All the pet-sorcs running around and infringing on everyone else's space (actually blocking access to merchants, crafting stations, etc.) with their perma-pets is already a nightmare to put up with.
We do not need another popular class, that will be played by lots of people, running around with an even larger permanent entourage.
Temporary necro summons are fine.
And here I was under the impression that necromancer spells caused guards to attack...0 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭david_m_18b16_ESO wrote: »HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
Actualy ES lore is all about temporary pets for necro. And no army of pets either most of the time.
Its like if templar where asking for meridia's powers. Your necro won't be manimarco.
how come my necromancer cannot raise 1 zombie when literally every other necromancer and their mother can?
Actualy you canr aise like 3 undead at once and the vast majority of necro in ES lore can,t raise more then 1. Manimarco isn't eveyrone and their mother. He is the most powerfull necro that ever existed.2 -
srfrogg23✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
Hmm... I have never met an actual Necromancer. I've only ever seen them in video games and some TV shows.
I think it's safe to say that there is no such thing as an "actual Necromancer", and since they do not exist, fictional Necromancers can be whatever the devs decide to do with them. Just because other franchises do it a certain way, it does not mean that is the only way.
That being said, you probably haven't given this particular iteration of the Necromancer a fair chance before passing judgment.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Zergs in Cyrodiil made up of necromancers each with an army of undead, I can just picture the resulting performance topics on the forum...4 -
ibkickin✭✭I'd find it amusing seeing skeletal armies charging across the fields of Cyrodil so I'm all for this! lolStrength on it's own is directionless, Thirst for battle is helpless, Only when the two join is a mighty warrior born.0 -
jircris11✭✭✭✭✭
✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
Es nectos where never the vast army of undead types.IGN: Ki'rah
Khajiit/Vampire
DC/AD faction/NA server.
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Laz✭✭✭You're thinking Lich. Not Necromancer. All Necro's in all TES games have always had "temporary" summons.Been around watchin'. Time to start talkin'. - Twitch: twitch.tv/lazisonline
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Runkorko✭✭✭✭✭
✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
No thanks. We have nuf of lag in cyro without necro army....0 -
Kiralyn2000✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around.
How do you miss the point that much?
There's this thing called "game balance".
It leads to the difference between "lore" and actual gameplay.0 -
david_m_18b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
No thanks. We have nuf of lag in cyro without necro army....
Not true, skyrim can have 2 permanant revived pet.Kiralyn2000 wrote: »HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around.
How do you miss the point that much?
There's this thing called "game balance".
It leads to the difference between "lore" and actual gameplay.
Their are game with armyr of pets that are balanced(dark age of camelot comes to mind and cyrodile is based upon this game PvP .
Personaly I'm all for the no permanant pet but these 2 points are invalid.0 -
Jamdarius✭✭✭✭✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
TYVM but I have enough problems with twilight flappy wings, bears and scamps/clannfears when delivering writs. I do not need more trolls standing for hours on writ delivery crates with their pets.0 -
Kalgert✭✭✭✭✭As I have made a point in another thread, mostly for humor's sake, but I may as well make it here as well.
Necromancer Fantasy:
Necromancer Reality:
This being said though, I don't really mind all that much that the minions are temporary. Though at the same time, more permanent pets would definitely breathe a little more interest in to the class. An ability or two that would summon either a zombie or a small entourage of skeletons to accompany you. Definitely would be fun to see.
But oh well. I can live with a Necromancer who sends projectile skeletons instead of raising actual skeletons to fight for you. I'll see better once I actually make the character.6 -
TheCabbageborn✭✭✭Welcome to The Elder Scrolls Online! Your choice of classes are as following: Dragonknight, Nightblade, Sorcerer, Templar, Warden, Necromancer, and ACTUAL Necromancerwhen a problem comes along u must fus it4 -
7788b14_ESO✭✭✭Actually since Necromancy is illegal there wouldn't be any Necro pets allowed in towns or cities. Guards would instantly attack you for forgetting to dismiss your pet before entering any place with guards about. That would have made for interesting gameplay.2 -
7788b14_ESO✭✭✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
Would be very unbalanced. This is an MMO after all, balance should come first.
Age of Conan managed to do a good job with Necro and with balance which is based on Dev skill set. GW2's Necro is effective with or without pets. It's not like other games have those problems with them.1 -
7788b14_ESO✭✭✭mann9753b16_ESO wrote: »Summoned undeads were always temporary in the Elder Scrolls lore.
They are not your little dogs that you care and love, they are tools a Necromancer calls upon to complete a task for him, and after that they outlived their usefullness.
Right, and we'll never see dragons in ESO...1 -
idk✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭All the pet-sorcs running around and infringing on everyone else's space (actually blocking access to merchants, crafting stations, etc.) with their perma-pets is already a nightmare to put up with.
We do not need another popular class, that will be played by lots of people, running around with an even larger permanent entourage.
Temporary necro summons are fine.
While I would agree we do not need more classes to be little more than a duplicate a Sorc, it is a little dramatic to suggest pet sorcs are a nightmare.2 -
Cpt_Teemo✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
“Like in the lore of the game”?
What the actual fudge are you talking about?
In each of last 3 TES games (Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim... I haven’t checked the others) Conjuration spells were all timed. Permanent armies of anything have not been a thing.
Actually that is not true, you could use Star of Azura to make them a permanent summon for the constant effect1 -
Darkstorne✭✭✭✭✭
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Permanent pet armies would cause Cyrodiil servers to implode. That can’t happen.
But we CAN start asking for a new World skill line to sit alongside Vampires and Werewolves. Liches. They’re essentially Uber-necromancers in TES lore. Perma-armies might be out of the question, but I’d love an ultimate that summons a temporary horde of undead, unleashed from a Lich’s black soul gem collection for example. Could work as part of an Underking themed Chapter. Liches taking advantage of a war-torn Tamriel.2 -
mayasunrising✭✭✭✭✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
Total lag fest. So nopers.
But what I would really love to see is better pet control for the ones currently in the game and future pets. Like ability bars for pets and having better ways of control their aggro and what they attack would be stupendous."And the day came when the risk to remain tight in a bud was more painful than the risk it took to blossom." ♥ Anaïs Nin
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me_ming✭✭✭✭✭HorrorShow wrote: »HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
“Like in the lore of the game”?
What the actual fudge are you talking about?
In each of last 3 TES games (Morrowind, Oblivion and Skyrim... I haven’t checked the others) Conjuration spells were all timed. Permanent armies of anything have not been a thing.
But this is not Conjuration. This is necromancy. Something that NPC's have been shown to have all the time in the game. And those reanimated bodies seemed to last as long as they wanted.
Fine. When your characters all become NPCs then you can permanent summons.
While you still want to be a player then your abilities can act like they always have.
Best comment so far!!! I love it! Hahaha!!!"We're heroes, my boon companion, and heroes always win! Let that be a lesson to you."
-Caldwell, "The Final Assault"
"There is always a choice. But you don't get to choose what is true, you only get to choose what you will do about it..."
-Abnur Tharn, "God of Schemes"]0 -
thedude33✭✭✭✭✭HorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
Ive been told 16 seconds is a long time.1 -
TheShadowScout✭✭✭✭✭
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Not quite the way this could work...Darkstorne wrote: »But we CAN start asking for a new World skill line to sit alongside Vampires and Werewolves. Liches. They’re essentially Uber-necromancers in TES lore.
Its not that Liches are Über-Necromancers, it is that Über-Necromancers usually go and become undead Liches rather then lie down and die when they get to that point.
So, the world "status" skill line would be "Undead" or something like that, which people could then make as "Lich" in magica flavor, or as "Death Knight" as stamina flavor...
...which totally would be an option someday. Though perhaps difficult to implement, as rotting corpses or walking skeletons could have even less chances at passing for mortals to avoid trouble with the justice guards... it would take a real supreme being to pull that one off...
...oh.
Well, okay, so it could be done I guess...
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SFDB✭✭✭✭✭
✭I love the constant mention of "conjuration." I know it's what the school is called in ESO lore, but it makes it sound like someone has a daedroth stuck up his sleeve.
"What's that behind your ear, little boy? It's a flesh colossus!"
"You are the worst birthday magician ever!"1 -
therift✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Request for new class, ACTUAL NecromancerHorrorShow wrote: »One that summons an army of undead and they stick around. Like in the lore of the game. All those dungeon full of skeletons that can keep going for 100's of years? That. Not something that lasts 16 seconds.
How do you miss the point that much?
Sounds like a great idea for a single-player game.
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