I guess a lot PVE players don't understand PvP and the other way around

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mague wrote: »

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

I don't understand the PvE players' hate for PvP. I don't see any PvP players hating PvE much but everytime I visit the forums and read some discussions, I always see PvE players spitting hate for PvP.

Are you trying to bait ?

The real reason is not PvP itself, but gankers. Active and passive gankers.

Yes I also see that "gankers" complain a lot. If it's that common, I should have encountered them a lot as I PvP a lot. However I don't remember getting ganked a lot, probably a few times but it's not a memorable amount. Getting ganked is not a routine in PvP as some people think. Gank builds are getting less and less effective and people give up maybe. Even if you get ganked, there is a respawn button and you can try to avoid that ganker next time.

because the pvp in this game is kind of terrible, unbalanced, frustrating and has been so basically since release. that doesn't mean you're not allowed to like it, and plenty of people do, so more power to them.

it does need to be understood why such a massive portion of the playerbase despises it though.

I don't hate PvP at all. I just suck at it

If you lose to a computer, oh well, damn, just try again until I get it.

If you lose to a player. Dude. What? Seriously what the Hell?? How could they do that!? What a damn cheater!! GRRR!!!

I'm not even making fun, that's a comedic take on exactly how I feel about it. When you know the thing you lost to was another person it becomes personal, you for grudges, you seek revenge and if you can't attain it the displeasure and rage only compounds. How dare this person take away your enjoyment of this aspect of the game? How can you keep having fun if you can't win a fight? What's worse is every patch my PvE ability gets nerfed because of their complaints! IS THAT A-HOLE TEABAGGING ME RIGHT NOW!?!

When I was a PVE player, I didnt like the idea of PVP.

Part of that was unfamiliarity. Skyrim was my first video game, and for a long time, I played ESO like it was "Skyrim, with friends". PVP was way out of my comfort zone.

Part of that was the steep learning curve. NPCs arent that hard (I hadn't done much group content at that point, LOL). Sure, I might die sometimes, but it was easy to see where I'd made the mistake, rez up and try again. Not so much in PVP, where I got slaughtered in seconda if another player found me and I didnt have a clue what I was doing wrong, or if I was even doing anything right.

And part of it was just...I was afraid.

The way I conquered my fear was to tell myself "I'm going to go to Cyrodiil for those Master Angler fish and I am going to die, Death is inevitable, and that means its okay."

The steep learning curve took a lot longer to conquer.

My first kill was pure luck. A MagBlade vampire with a slightly lower vet rank jumped my MagDK while I was fishing, and I Burning Embers'ed them to death. I was like "How did I survive that?!?!!!"

It took a lot longer for me to become comfortable in Cyrodiil. I had to relearn how to get around the map with transitus shrines and speedy horses. I had to learn to rely on zone chat to find fights. I had to build tankier than my PVE tank in order to survive long enough to learn what was killing me and what mistakes I was making (impen Plague Doctor...on a healer, )

But I loved it. I loved following the zerg and learning the flow of movement on the battlefield so that when I died, I could say "Okay, I died because I pushed too far, too fast." Or "Okay, I died becauae I waited too long to heal." And so on.

The best part about those early, pre-guild days, was teaching myself to solo a resource. Once I could do that, I could always have something to do in PVP even if there were no groups on.

But what made the biggest difference, IMO, was finding a welcoming PVP guild. I would join this one group whenever they were on because of one factor - I died less when I PUGged with them. They were easier to stick with and didn't turn tail and run away like the zergs so often did. Eventually, I ran with them enough that they were like "Hey, wanna join the guild?"

I'm glad I did. They were welcoming, willing to train newcomers to PVP, helped me learn how to PVP, and have been the group I've PVPed with ever since.


What I would say to anyone nervous about PVP as I was:
"Death is inevitable. Its okay. Frustrating, but okay.
Give yourself time to learn. There are mechanics, but they are much more varied than in PVE. Its a steep learning curve, but with practice, you will improve.
Finally, you don't have to go it alone. A lone mew player in Cyrodiil often struggles to do anything - I know I did. Look for groups with helpful attitudes who are willing to teach new players."

Not everyone comes to like PVP if they try it. My SO, for example, is thoroughly "Meh" about it. I, on the other hand, started out disliking the idea and eventually became a PVPer once I actually took the time to really try it out and found a great PVP guild.

Thing is: Alot of stuff thats really cool in PvE gets nerfed because of PvP Balance.

I recently learned that a main reason why my beloved Werewolf Ultimate has such a short time limit if for PvP balancing. Without that, we could have way more nice things in PvE.

That doesnt mean I hate PvP players, or even PvP. I just want you to understand that you people have way more influence on our game experience than you might realise.


As for not doing PvP or the IC questline myself:

I am a Werewolf roleplayer, which means my equpiment is far from optimal. I run 5 part Salvation for reduced casting costs, which doesnt really give you much in terms of PvP power.
In PvP I feel like 90% of all players are running the same minmax item build, the same rotation that some pro gamer once calculated does most DPS, and are overall way more optimized than the casual PvE player.

And there lies the problem, in PvE, sure the big Trial bosses will kill me, but I just dont do Trials. In Imperial City however, the whole content is 24/7 camped by people who just want some easy kills.

The whole “PVE vs. PVP conflict” is just a fake concept created by those on the forums and fuelled by fundamentalism from a minority of players. It does not represent the reality of the game. While many players may have a preference on which gameplay they enjoy most, the majority simply engage in a hybrid of PVE and PVP gameplay. It is important to recognise that most players do not use the forums and so it cannot be taken as evidence of how players think in the game. Hence, there is no real “hate” from either PVP or PVE players because the entire concept of “PVE players” or “PVP players” is flawed.

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

In my opinion,

Really the only relevant bit.

Different folks like different things.

The_Lex wrote: »

mague wrote: »

MrBumblefoot wrote: »

I don't understand the PvE players' hate for PvP. I don't see any PvP players hating PvE much but everytime I visit the forums and read some discussions, I always see PvE players spitting hate for PvP.

Are you trying to bait ?

The real reason is not PvP itself, but gankers. Active and passive gankers.

Honestly, there's not many true gankers anymore. The play style has been nerfed. Don't get me won't, there are still gankers lurking about, but it's not an easy play style anymore.

Edit: someone hiding in stealth does not necessarily mean they are a ganker.

If someone is stalking the quest areas to kill easy target casual PvE players, hes a ganker.

The_Lex wrote: »

I hear what you're saying, but no, not really. Surprise attack =\= ganking

A surprise attack on an undergeared, unaware PvE player is not ganking.

Yeah, I heard it is call as griefing. They do not do it for any benefit, but just to irritate or ruin other player's gaming experience.

I mean, hey, you want PvE players to stop hating PvP and do IC?

Tell your PvP buddies to stop camping the quest zones.