VaranisArano wrote: »

Iluvrien wrote: »

Where was this backlash when ZOS added motifs to the crown store and made the in-game versions extra grindy* to get?

The response those of us who complained got from people was “well, it’s just cosmetic! You can still get it in the game! You don’t have to buy it if you don’t want to!”

Can’t say I’m surprised that ZOS is now trying it in other spheres of the game considering how previous incarnations went down.

[*then upped the grind again with Welkynar]

I dunno about you, but I remember a pretty large complaint thread about Welkynar.

It didnt do any good.

The time to stop it would have been at Glass.

There's got to be a suitable reward for players who complete hard content at the hardest level. Not only is this 'reward' ugly, but also conveniently achievable through microtransactions. Completely removes the incentive to complete the achievements associated with Sunspire. This isn't good for the game, and I hope they learn from this mistake.

These mounts are different. But people are worried that others who are not paying attention might confuse the two? And people are calling this a problem? LOL

If it bothers peoples egos that much why not shout in chat every time you zone letting people know that you have the achievement version.

That way people will know you are best and watch in awe as you ride past...*roll eyes*.

I'll try to explain my thoughts a bit more.
I run around with the tick-tock-title. I connect that title with our teamwork and great effort, and the great feeling of accomplishment. We were in vHoF for almost four months, three evenings a week, we argued, we disagreed on tactics, we wiped for hours and hours and hours, but we didn't give up, we changed gear-sets and abilities, tactics, and in the end, we managed to achieve it. The sense of accomplishment was so great and I was/am so proud of the group.
It will be the same with the Godslayer achievement in Sunspire. I would even have used the mount, because it would have been earned with great teamwork.
With the crownstore version coming up, the Godslayer title will be all I am using. I don't want to ride past other players and have them think "LUL that girl was dumb enough to pay 1000 Crown Gems for that ugly mount" because no one can spot the difference. I don't want something like that connected with the teamwork and effort we put into this as a group.

I think some of you are looking at this backwards.

You think they are putting a Trial reward in the Crown Store... but they are really making a Crown Store mount available for free if you get all the Trial achievements.

Its a Crown Store mount cosmetic that you have an opportunity to get for free in game instead of having to pay real life money for it. Isn't that what people want? More Crown Store cosmetics to be also acquirable in game?

Isn't that what alllll the posts complain about every time there is a cool new mount in the Crown Store for X amount of crowns/gems?

Minyassa wrote: »

I don't see the problem. One has gold tack, one has leather tack. One you have to spend a buttload of crowns to get, the other you can earn and not spend a single crown. So not only do you get a mount without paying crowns for it but you have the satisfaction of having earned it, and it's got prettier tack. What is the problem?

The problem is that people care more about what their neighbors have, rather than feeling proud of their own accomplishments. That just breeds unhappiness imo. It's like being mad at a low income person because they won the lottery by cashing in while you're still the head of a successful company, and you worked your butt off to get there. You still get the recognition, the pride of knowing you earned everything you have, and the fact that people KNOW this too, but you're still salty because you feel threatened somehow by what other people do, that doesn't even affect you.

They get a golden prettier looking saddle and it even says that in the item description so the distinction is pointed out and they still aren't happy because god forbid only a few people deserve to have nice things in a video game.

Recently got the EG helm from vBRF with a non-elite group of fellow guildies. We took over half a day, died over what felt like a hundred times, traded tips, pots, observations on certain strats that seem to work, died some more, ported out to respec some skills, change cp, got frustrated but remained civil, learned how to get gud at our roles, learned how to adapt to cover for each other when someone died so someone can get a rez, sharpened our timing, weaving, and positioning, and finally after expecting another wipe, we cleared it.

Even tho the monster set is getting slightly changed, we didn't care. Because our group got stronger, more coordinated, first got chewed up, then spat out, but with each wipe we learned a ton we thought we knew, we're forced to seriously evaluate our builds and figure out how to improve, and in the end, it was the experience, pride, and thrill of conquering the dungeon that mattered the most.

Then I learned that the EG helm was available at the vendors. There wasn't ANY extra 'differences' between the one from the dungeon and the one from the vendor, no perfected or nonperfected. Was I upset by it? I couldn't care less. Because my team and I *know* that we EARNED it and our titles. Granted, you can argue that a vet dungeon is easier than a vet hm/no death/speedrun trial but the fact stands that none of us went into the dungeon with super 'optimal' BIS builds, we didn't get carried by anyone but ourselves, and we still persisted and prevailed. So this whole argument with the Sunspire senche just doesn't make sense to me.

But what do I know? Am I supposed to care how other strangers play the game or what they do with their free time?

Sadly this kind of thing has been happening for awhile. Not necessarily exactly like this mount reskin, but this doesn't surprise me. I think back to the rewards from Bloodroot. I think originally it was suppose to be the skin that sits on the crown store right now. It got replaced with that butt ugly mask. Then shortly after they released similar in crates. Then you had the AS reskin. A big bummer was when they started releasing the DLC dungeon motifs in the crown store the same day as they are released in game. That took away from in game value of those. Look at the skin from vBRP. Eww I have never used it. Makes your toon look like you have some funky skin condition. Then they release two skins in crates that are much better. It wouldn't even surprise me if they eventually put the indrik in the crown store. Many of us don't like it, but I doubt they will stop doing these sort of things anytime soon. They are making loads of money off of this stuff.

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

If this will go live, this will be a really lame move from ZOS.

They've been doing lame moves for a long time and nobody bats an eye.

@atlgirl29_ESO
Clearly no indication AT ALL that one of them is purchased in the crown store. Apart from the "purchased in the crown store" statement below it. And the actual raid one being described as a "variant" of the other one.

Svenja wrote: »

I'll try to explain my thoughts a bit more.
I run around with the tick-tock-title. I connect that title with our teamwork and great effort, and the great feeling of accomplishment. We were in vHoF for almost four months, three evenings a week, we argued, we disagreed on tactics, we wiped for hours and hours and hours, but we didn't give up, we changed gear-sets and abilities, tactics, and in the end, we managed to achieve it. The sense of accomplishment was so great and I was/am so proud of the group.
It will be the same with the Godslayer achievement in Sunspire. I would even have used the mount, because it would have been earned with great teamwork.
With the crownstore version coming up, the Godslayer title will be all I am using. I don't want to ride past other players and have them think "LUL that girl was dumb enough to pay 1000 Crown Gems for that ugly mount" because no one can spot the difference. I don't want something like that connected with the teamwork and effort we put into this as a group.

Thank you for this.
I don't even raid on that level, but this is exactly why I don't think it is right to put this in the store. Who wants a microtransaction being connected to their awesome teamwork? And if the mount is unreasonably priced, people will for sure think that you are just a crownstore whale if you ride around on it.
"OMG who is stupid enough to pay 6000 crowns for this fugly thing? That player over there clearly is. Haha." Pretty much sums it up perfectly.

Due to the FOMO sales tactics that ZOS are wedded to, the Crown Store one will probably be up for all of 5 minutes before it's retired and then the trial will go back to being the only way to get it.

DovahkiinHeart wrote: »

Minyassa wrote: »

I don't see the problem. One has gold tack, one has leather tack. One you have to spend a buttload of crowns to get, the other you can earn and not spend a single crown. So not only do you get a mount without paying crowns for it but you have the satisfaction of having earned it, and it's got prettier tack. What is the problem?

The problem is that people care more about what their neighbors have, rather than feeling proud of their own accomplishments. That just breeds unhappiness imo. It's like being mad at a low income person because they won the lottery by cashing in while you're still the head of a successful company, and you worked your butt off to get there. You still get the recognition, the pride of knowing you earned everything you have, and the fact that people KNOW this too, but you're still salty because you feel threatened somehow by what other people do, that doesn't even affect you.

They get a golden prettier looking saddle and it even says that in the item description so the distinction is pointed out and they still aren't happy because god forbid only they get to enjoy something.

Recently got the EG helm from vBRF with a non-elite group of fellow guildies. We took over half a day, died over what felt like a hundred times, traded tips, pots, observations on certain strats that seem to work, died some more, ported out to respec some skills, change cp, got frustrated but remained civil, learned how to get gud at our roles, learned how to adapt to cover for each other when someone died so someone can get a rez, sharpened our timing, weaving, and positioning, and finally after expecting another wipe, we cleared it.

Even tho the monster set is getting slightly changed, we didn't care. Because our group got stronger, more coordinated, first got chewed up, then spat out, but with each wipe we learned a ton we thought we knew, we're forced to seriously evaluate our builds and figure out how to improve, and in the end, it was the experience, pride, and thrill of conquering the dungeon that mattered the most.

Then I learned that the EG helm was available at the vendors. There wasn't ANY extra 'differences' between the one from the dungeon and the one from the vendor, no perfected or nonperfected. Was I upset by it? I couldn't care less. Because my team and I *know* that we EARNED it and our titles. Granted, you can argue that a vet dungeon is easier than a vet hm/no death/speedrun trial but the fact stands that none of us went into the dungeon with super 'optimal' BIS builds, we didn't get carried by anyone but ourselves, and we still persisted and prevailed. So this whole argument with the Sunspire senche just doesn't make sense to me.

But what do I know? Am I supposed to care how other strangers play the game or what they do with their free time?

There is one difference here, you might have spent a couple of hours getting your earthgore helmet. My bet is 4-5 hours which is still a lot.

As someone who has a pretty good idea of where the end game guilds are at, my bet is that around 5-6 guilds on PC EU and PC NA have a chance of getting this mount within 3 months of the elsweyr release. I think the earliest will be around 10 weeks in. Now these guilds raid 3-4 times a week for about 3-4 hours, this means by the end every single one of those groups will have spent at least 100+ hours. "150 hours with PTS training". This is just the time spent in concentrated raiding to get this achievement, there are also the hours preparing gear, farming potions and gold to afford raiding. "carry runs in some cases"

You're comparing apples to oranges in terms of effort. Even if you worked in Uganda at a $1 wage you would be able to afford the crown store mount. So saying we should be happy to get it for "free" is an insult.

Just a little off-topic real life experience from me:

I did some Ironman triathlons. I've trained many years very hard for that achievement.
My reward was a shirt with a "Finisher" print on it which somehow equals the mount from the trial.

Now I saw a homeless guy in town wearing the same shirt.
I know that those shirts were spent as a donation to the homeless shelter.

That experience did not lessen the value of my own shirt and I still wear it now and then.
So if I'd have the mount from the trial I would still use it even if some "random Bob" would have the mount from the store ...

I don't want anyone to think that I was dumb enough to simply toss ~50€ for a crownstore mount at ZOS with a simple wave with my credit card, when in reality it was great teamwork with a coordinated group over the course of what will be several months.
I simply won't use either of the mounts if one is up for sale in the shop, the Godslayer title will be enough for me now.

I just don't understand how they dare to say they "want to give their endgame raiders something special" (at least that#s what was said on ESO Live a few weeks ago) if it's just a minimal reskin of a crownstore item with differences barely noticeable. Yes, it's marketing, but rather don't say anything at all, then. Or say as it is: "We give you a nice crownstore item for free, others have to spend crowns for it, but you can earn it ingame, too."