Sunspire Senche in the Crown Store - Please don't do this!

oddbasket · May 2019

We get TWO of these cool mounts added to the game? Awesome!

BoraxFlux · May 2019

If I were Crown Store I'd put a Sunspire Cub Pet in the Crown Store, then the set would be complete!

Svenja · May 2019

BoraxFlux wrote: »

If I were Crown Store I'd put a Sunspire Cub Pet in the Crown Store, then the set would be complete!

There is one coming up of those.

Sheezabeast · May 2019

The one from the achievement better fart rainbows and summon in a shower of glitter to make it worth grinding hardcore endgame content when a reskin can be bought with money

BoraxFlux · May 2019

Svenja wrote: »

BoraxFlux wrote: »

If I were Crown Store I'd put a Sunspire Cub Pet in the Crown Store, then the set would be complete!

There is one coming up of those.

Lol, where can I apply for the Crown Store job?

Swiftfox_Bouncyface · May 2019

What is the point of practicing rather hard content achievement for no reward, instead of buying elsweyr to raid and progress for a cool mount I can just buy the mount instead of the expansion and save myself a lot of time, sure everyone should have access to cool mounts and cosmetics, but why not add exclusive stuff for those that do commit to playing the game and compete in hardest content?

All the casuls be like: yOu ShOuLd Do VeT hM nO dEatH sPeEd rUn ReSeTinG eVeRy 10 MinUteS fOr FuN nOt ReWarD

Honestly, you're an actual brainlet if you think it's fair that content people get frustated over due to how hard it can be to complete on the level required for achievement such as one in summerset does give the same reward as spending some money on the mount without any effort that's in the game. Sure, you still need to earn the money for it, but you also need to earn the money to buy the expansion if you wan't to compete and try to get the achievement, wouldn't you agree?

TriangularChicken · May 2019

At first they destroyed PvP - lag, overpowered potato skills, noob zergs.
Now they come for the only thing that is still fun in this game - trials/dungeon HM.
Vet dungeons already got nerfed... now they devalue the HM achievments..

Ridiculous move, I'm so sick of this company, not gonna buy Elsweyr, not gonna spend any money for this game.
In my next life I will be a casual bob that doesn't care about anything, I will get handed everything without effort anyway.

Benzux · May 2019

As someone who will most likely not be doing the achievements for the mount, I can somewhat understand putting an alternate version into the Crown Store for people like me.
However, this is still quite a "low blow" from ZoS. There needs to be more differences between the mounts, preferably at least a colour change like with the AS Factotum and its Crown Store variant.

lassitershawn · May 2019

Not only is the reward mount ugly to begin with.
Not only is the reward mount a reskin of a mount to begin with.
The reward mount now has a reskin of a reskin to be sold in the crown store, with virtually no significant features to distinguish between the two...
[snip]
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agegarton · May 2019

Personally, I am not a fan of anything being locked behind achievement walls any more than I am a fan of anything being locked behind pay walls.

If you want it for free then run the dungeon (or whatever). If you're happy to pay, then pay.

If the aim of the game is "play it your way", then we should all be able to do that. Personally, I'd go as far as making DSA, Asylum and other weapons available from The Golden like Monster sets. There's no reason to keep these things away from those who just don't want to spend hours running a trial, etc. "Achievement elitism" is really very boring, and it adds nothing to the game.

Controversial, but there you go!

MaxJrFTW · May 2019

I don't have a problem with this. It's probably going to be 600 crown gems which most people cannot afford anyways. It will be a very rare mount.

lassitershawn · May 2019

agegarton wrote: »

Personally, I am not a fan of anything being locked behind achievement walls any more than I am a fan of anything being locked behind pay walls.

If you want it for free then run the dungeon (or whatever). If you're happy to pay, then pay.

If the aim of the game is "play it your way", then we should all be able to do that. Personally, I'd go as far as making DSA, Asylum and other weapons available from The Golden like Monster sets. There's no reason to keep these things away from those who just don't want to spend hours running a trial, etc. "Achievement elitism" is really very boring, and it adds nothing to the game.

Controversial, but there you go!

I'm pretty sure none of us who actually run trials seriously would care near as much about the gear being readily available as opposed to the cosmetics. The gear isn't a big deal, you get piles of it if you run seriously. Though other than specific weapons like master DW/inferno and asylum inferno for PvPers, I don't really see the point in making the gear readily available either... if you aren't gonna do endgame PvE content you don't really need it in the first place.

Swiftfox_Bouncyface · May 2019

agegarton wrote: »

Personally, I am not a fan of anything being locked behind achievement walls any more than I am a fan of anything being locked behind pay walls.

If you want it for free then run the dungeon (or whatever). If you're happy to pay, then pay.

If the aim of the game is "play it your way", then we should all be able to do that. Personally, I'd go as far as making DSA, Asylum and other weapons available from The Golden like Monster sets. There's no reason to keep these things away from those who just don't want to spend hours running a trial, etc. "Achievement elitism" is really very boring, and it adds nothing to the game.

Controversial, but there you go!

Controversial? You mean as controversial as every other special snowflake casul? "Achievement elitism" is a the way someone chose to play so yea let's make it brain dead for all special snowflakes to have anything they want without moving a finger

P.S.
It's not as boring as doing quests for some for instance

Neyane · May 2019

Veryyyy bad move ZOS. The mount you can achieve is fantastic, please do not put a very similar mount into the crown store. Who would bother getting the trial version when they look pretty much identical...

agegarton · May 2019

lassitershawn wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

Personally, I am not a fan of anything being locked behind achievement walls any more than I am a fan of anything being locked behind pay walls.

If you want it for free then run the dungeon (or whatever). If you're happy to pay, then pay.

If the aim of the game is "play it your way", then we should all be able to do that. Personally, I'd go as far as making DSA, Asylum and other weapons available from The Golden like Monster sets. There's no reason to keep these things away from those who just don't want to spend hours running a trial, etc. "Achievement elitism" is really very boring, and it adds nothing to the game.

Controversial, but there you go!

I'm pretty sure none of us who actually run trials seriously would care near as much about the gear being readily available as opposed to the cosmetics. The gear isn't a big deal, you get piles of it if you run seriously. Though other than specific weapons like master DW/inferno and asylum inferno for PvPers, I don't really see the point in making the gear readily available either... if you aren't gonna do endgame PvE content you don't really need it in the first place.

I tend to agree - my point is really, who cares? If you can't do the content, having an Asylum weapon (for example) is hardly going to make you an overpowered god among players. I guess the benefit would be that you might not have to grind the content so much (this game is horribly grindy) if there's a chance of having the right weapon type / trait sell from a vendor.

As for cosmetic items..... really, who cares? I must have 50 mounts on my main acct. I ride one at a time. Does anyone really need to feel like they are in some kind of exclusive club?

Bigevilpeter · May 2019

Beating Vet trials is extreemply hard, beating HM is limited to 1% of the playerbase, doing all achienvemts is not meant for humans who have anything else in their life other than this game.

Its fair that not so much should be locked behind such high requirements

Smellfire · May 2019

Should be more differences to make them more distinguishable.

But other than that, don't see a problem.

XxCaLxX · May 2019

Smh. If y’all truly want a unique mount all you gots to do is keep dropping a few grand on crates and maybe you’ll get lucky and get a radiant apex mount....duhhhhh. Seriously though it’s just the same [snip] different day. I’m surprised that all hard end game rewards aren’t crown store exclusives by now.

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YOB · May 2019

my money is ready !!!

Asys · May 2019

its a freakin mount. gettin so worked up over a shjitty mount is just lame

VaranisArano · May 2019

Classic ZOS.

"Players want to get mounts for in-game achievements?"

"Okay, lets give them 5 mounts that require grinding every event for an entire year!"

"And then we'll sell Event Tickets to anyone who wants to skip the grind."

"Hey, what if we put that mount behind our hardest new trial...and then sell a practically identical mount to everyone who wants to skip the effort?"

I mean, at least the Crown Store Factotum polymorph was a distinctly different color.

Peekachu99 · May 2019

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Peekachu99 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Nobody will notice the color of the leather. People see a ice senche with orange feet. That is all they notice. And literally perfecting a run in sunspire to get this will be hard.
That trial is is hard. The time trial of 30 minutes atm will be a very very very close call, not death will be very very hard, since bosses have a few ultra hard hitting attacks.
So you try to get there for weeks or possibly months until you see the achievement mount. When random bob here just spends his nans medicine money.
And nobody will even notice the difference and tell bob how awesome he is doing the sunspire achievement or the raiders that tried for months will get laughed at because got it from the crownstore.
The difference is so minimal. You can barely make out which one is which.

If something like this is tied to a achievemnt as reward. It should stay that. And not get devalued by greedy business practices ruining it for every player that actually want to work torwards something.
It will be easier to ask your nan for the money you need than actually play for it in the game.

“Random Bob” is the one consistently paying for each and every Crown Store bauble that appears during the months and months those Trial-grinders are working on unlocking that mount. Who is more worthy of a reward in this scenario? Why do you presume that just because Bob has decent disposable income, which he’s earned, that he’s somehow less-entitled to have a fancy mount than other players? Why do you even care? Achievements should be done for the personal challenge and thrill of conquering a seemingly insurmountable task. People that are dedicated Trials-enthusiasts get it for free, too, so what’s the complaint?

What makes you think the hardcore players don't spend anything. They buy just as much if not more crowns.
Nobody is entitled to anything. But what is the point of making things that are an achievement, a sense of pride to finally have gotten done worth nothing because this generation wants everything with the least amount of effort and instantly. It is sad.
What is so wrong with having something unique when you worked for it?
This is why we can't have nice things anymore.

You have data to support that argument? Because every piece of data regarding growth and income in the gaming industry skews with an absurd bias toward the ‘casual’ mom and pop folk as the heaviest spenders. Every single report via Gamasutra, NPD, whatever disproves your argument.

That’s not to say that hardcore+spender don’t rarely coincide, because I’m proof of that (all Vet achievements/ skins and heavy investment in the Crown Store). But we’re the exception, not the rule. Most of the money comes from people who aren’t like me, and I recognize and am okay with that.

You also still get that ‘sense’ of pride by not having to fork out $100 or whatever for a mount.

AbysmalGhul · May 2019

Solution...buy the crown store version and then dye your pants gold. Nobody will ever know

You'll look like a boss

lassitershawn · May 2019

agegarton wrote: »

lassitershawn wrote: »

agegarton wrote: »

Personally, I am not a fan of anything being locked behind achievement walls any more than I am a fan of anything being locked behind pay walls.

If you want it for free then run the dungeon (or whatever). If you're happy to pay, then pay.

If the aim of the game is "play it your way", then we should all be able to do that. Personally, I'd go as far as making DSA, Asylum and other weapons available from The Golden like Monster sets. There's no reason to keep these things away from those who just don't want to spend hours running a trial, etc. "Achievement elitism" is really very boring, and it adds nothing to the game.

Controversial, but there you go!

I'm pretty sure none of us who actually run trials seriously would care near as much about the gear being readily available as opposed to the cosmetics. The gear isn't a big deal, you get piles of it if you run seriously. Though other than specific weapons like master DW/inferno and asylum inferno for PvPers, I don't really see the point in making the gear readily available either... if you aren't gonna do endgame PvE content you don't really need it in the first place.

I tend to agree - my point is really, who cares? If you can't do the content, having an Asylum weapon (for example) is hardly going to make you an overpowered god among players. I guess the benefit would be that you might not have to grind the content so much (this game is horribly grindy) if there's a chance of having the right weapon type / trait sell from a vendor.

As for cosmetic items..... really, who cares? I must have 50 mounts on my main acct. I ride one at a time. Does anyone really need to feel like they are in some kind of exclusive club?

It isn't even necessarily for "bragging rights" or an "exclusive club." Imagine some kind of challenge you had to complete to get some cool exclusive item in real life. You train for weeks-months and it takes skill and dedication to get what you want, maybe a cool replica Anduril sword for a huge LOTR fan like me, but whatever unique/cool item you want. If you win the challenge/contest, you'd be pretty hyped. You worked hard for something and earned it. But then they start handing out the "unique and special" swords for like $100 a pop the next day? I'd imagine most people would be pretty salty.

It really isn't that much different than what the game is doing... those people that get the new mount reward are going to have spent MANY MANY hours trying to get good enough, perfect strategies, perfect DPS, etc to do this achievement. And anyone can get basically the same thing for $10? Really cheapens the reward.

YOB · May 2019

Here's the perspective of ZOS, and I really don't mind over cosmetics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0ZpesMYF6A

lagrue · May 2019

xMovingTarget wrote: »

When random bob here just spends his nans medicine money.

obligatory LOL

WuffyCerulei · May 2019

If they do go with this, they gotta either down the quality of the crown store one or increase the quality of the trial one. Suffering through HMs just have your reward buyable from the Crown Store is a [snip] move on Zos’s part. It’d be like selling a slightly different trial skin in the Crown Store because money. C’mon, Zos.

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Nilarynpaw · May 2019

I'm not a hardcore PVE player here in ESO, and this means I've never been in any trials, but I understand why players - who do trials regularly - feel upset about this, and honestly, I mostly agree with you.

I can see there's a lot of cool stuff you can get by completing trials - skins, mounts etc.
I would like to have them - but not from the crown store.

If I could buy the same stuff from the store, which others get by completing harder content than me - I respect these players' effort and time they've invested in to get these, and I'd feel like it's stealing, or I'm just not worthy to have it.

I think the problem is that we have like zero option to get mounts and other special items in-game without doing trials, so it would be a nice idea to lock some mounts behind achivements (let it be storyline, kill x world bosses, complete x dolmens, etc.) rather than put everything in the crown store.

Iluvrien · May 2019

Where was this backlash when ZOS added motifs to the crown store and made the in-game versions extra grindy* to get?

The response those of us who complained got from people was “well, it’s just cosmetic! You can still get it in the game! You don’t have to buy it if you don’t want to!”

Can’t say I’m surprised that ZOS is now trying it in other spheres of the game considering how previous incarnations went down.

[*then upped the grind again with Welkynar]

VaranisArano · May 2019

Iluvrien wrote: »

Where was this backlash when ZOS added motifs to the crown store and made the in-game versions extra grindy* to get?

The response those of us who complained got from people was “well, it’s just cosmetic! You can still get it in the game! You don’t have to buy it if you don’t want to!”

Can’t say I’m surprised that ZOS is now trying it in other spheres of the game considering how previous incarnations went down.

[*then upped the grind again with Welkynar]

I dunno about you, but I remember several complaint threads about Welkynar, both on PTS and Live.

It didnt do any good.

And I finally bought the rest of Welkynar during the Anniversary Event, becuase I'm willing to be patient, rather than pay ZOS crowns.