Sunspire Senche in the Crown Store - Please don't do this!

Cheezits94 · May 2019

As it currently stands, there are two almost identical senches in the game files. They have different description texts and different item IDs.
First one is a crown store item and has a leather saddle. The other one has a golden saddle and can be earned by completing the new trial Sunspire on hardmode, with no-death and speedrun.

I know there has been another topic on this, with people looking at this picture and just saying "hurrdurr it's the same mount in different lighting hurrdurr", but the item IDs and the description texts speak for themselves. The Achievement senche is described as "a special variant" of the other one, with the difference mentioned being the golden gear and saddle.

When they introduced the Asylum polymorph and sold a different colored version (silver instead of gold/bronze) in the cash shop a while later, i already thought that was pretty bold, but these mounts have even smaller differences between them and this is a step too far IMO. With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

If this will go live, this will be a really lame move from ZOS.

Aliyavana · May 2019

Agreed. At the very least the trial version needs to be more distinct. What if the trial version of the mount was given a mane?

xMovingTarget · May 2019

Whats the point of doing hard achievements if the next random dude that never has seen a trial from the inside just swipes the creditcard and literally has the same reward.
Rewarding people for a great achievement that gets nullified by the *** crownstore. Not a fan.....

sudaki_eso · May 2019

But who wants a cheap leather saddle anyway?

This whole season seems pretty "cheap" lots of recycling of older items with litte variations.

Androconium · May 2019

It will.

"3 days only" 4000 crowns = The sabre cat.

laterz = 100 gems in crown store, if you didn't get it as a drop. Exclusive Digital Imperial Livery.

Wolfkeks · May 2019

So the only difference is the golden saddle? Lol

Way to make sunspire hm (and the other achievements you need) rewarding.

Runkorko · May 2019

See no problem here.
Even if they are the same/ with the same name even/
Is not the first game with "recolored" mounts.
You want it- get it from achievment, or buy it from store.

Cheezits94 wrote: »

With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

Update your video. Problem solved.

Minyassa · May 2019

I don't see the problem. One has gold tack, one has leather tack. One you have to spend a buttload of crowns to get, the other you can earn and not spend a single crown. So not only do you get a mount without paying crowns for it but you have the satisfaction of having earned it, and it's got prettier tack. What is the problem?

Cheezits94 · May 2019

The problem is that it greatly devalues the achievement senche. It is just sad to see this move from ZOS.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

See no problem here.
Even if they are the same/ with the same name even/
Is not the first game with "recolored" mounts.
You want it- get it from achievment, or buy it from store.

Cheezits94 wrote: »

With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

Update your video. Problem solved.

I would need to update every other player's video as well because I would love people to see the difference though.

D0PAMINE · May 2019

Interesting

Alcast · May 2019

Svenja · May 2019

Even though I raid in a group that will be going for the trial achievement, I didn't care too much about the mount because it just isn't my taste. I was just happy to finally see a reward for the hardest achievements. A mount even! Like in many other games! A mount that can be earned ingame! After the indriks being added to events, i was happy that ZOS finally adds more non-crownstore-mounts to the game, even to a trial.

Now I am just disappointed. Adding the mount in the first place just looks dumb now. I will just ignore this abomination and its crown store cousin if it will really get sold. They are just too similar. If I can't even spot the difference on a picture... Just hand us a crown-crate upon trial completion, what does it matter?

barney2525 · May 2019

Cheezits94 wrote: »

As it currently stands, there are two almost identical senches in the game files. They have different description texts and different item IDs.
First one is a crown store item and has a leather saddle. The other one has a golden saddle and can be earned by completing the new trial Sunspire on hardmode, with no-death and speedrun.

I know there has been another topic on this, with people looking at this picture and just saying "hurrdurr it's the same mount in different lighting hurrdurr", but the item IDs and the description texts speak for themselves. The Achievement senche is described as "a special variant" of the other one, with the difference mentioned being the golden gear and saddle.

When they introduced the Asylum polymorph and sold a different colored version (silver instead of gold/bronze) in the cash shop a while later, i already thought that was pretty bold, but these mounts have even smaller differences between them and this is a step too far IMO. With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

I can tell which is which from the picture. Top is Ice Fire, Bottom is Champion.

Says so right in the picture.

What do I win?

8)

xMovingTarget · May 2019

Nobody will notice the color of the leather. People see a ice senche with orange feet. That is all they notice. And literally perfecting a run in sunspire to get this will be hard.
That trial is is hard. The time trial of 30 minutes atm will be a very very very close call, not death will be very very hard, since bosses have a few ultra hard hitting attacks.
So you try to get there for weeks or possibly months until you see the achievement mount. When random bob here just spends his nans medicine money.
And nobody will even notice the difference and tell bob how awesome he is doing the sunspire achievement or the raiders that tried for months will get laughed at because got it from the crownstore.
The difference is so minimal. You can barely make out which one is which.

If something like this is tied to a achievemnt as reward. It should stay that. And not get devalued by greedy business practices ruining it for every player that actually want to work torwards something.
It will be easier to ask your nan for the money you need than actually play for it in the game.

Runkorko · May 2019

Cheezits94 wrote: »

I would need to update every other player's video as well because I would love people to see the difference though.

Trust me, the last thing ppl with low graphic cards care is the mount diference

Cheezits94 · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Cheezits94 wrote: »

With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

Cheezits94 wrote: »

The problem is that it greatly devalues the achievement senche. It is just sad to see this move from ZOS.

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

See no problem here.
Even if they are the same/ with the same name even/
Is not the first game with "recolored" mounts.
You want it- get it from achievment, or buy it from store.

Cheezits94 wrote: »

With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

Update your video. Problem solved.

I would need to update every other player's video as well because I would love people to see the difference though.

Trust me, the last thing ppl with low graphic cards think is the mount diference

That is okay.

That was not the point of my topic though.

My point was, that ZOS gets lazier and lazier with their reskins, just changing the saddle color of a mount that everyone can get from the store and then hand that exact mount to their endgame raiders. "hErE yOu HaVe SoMeThInG SpEcIaL!" "wE VaLuE oUr GaMeRs!"

This is such a sad move.

YaYaPineapple · May 2019

People complain that fancy mounts are only available from the Crown Store, and not available by playing the game... So ZOS takes a fancy Crown Store mount and makes it available by doing a trial in game... and people complain...?

Do you want Crown Store items to be available by playing the game or should these fancy mounts remain Crown Store only?

Make up your minds.

zaria · May 2019

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Nobody will notice the color of the leather. People see a ice senche with orange feet. That is all they notice. And literally perfecting a run in sunspire to get this will be hard.
That trial is is hard. The time trial of 30 minutes atm will be a very very very close call, not death will be very very hard, since bosses have a few ultra hard hitting attacks.
So you try to get there for weeks or possibly months until you see the achievement mount. When random bob here just spends his nans medicine money.
And nobody will even notice the difference and tell bob how awesome he is doing the sunspire achievement or the raiders that tried for months will get laughed at because got it from the crownstore.
The difference is so minimal. You can barely make out which one is which.

If something like this is tied to a achievemnt as reward. It should stay that. And not get devalued by greedy business practices ruining it for every player that actually want to work torwards something.
It will be easier to ask your nan for the money you need to actually play for it in the game.

I agree its stupid.
No issue if it was another color in store change the blue top color to green or brown who would be just as nice but different.
nor anything against selling the indrik mounts in crown store as they are just for participating.

but not very hard to get achievements,

Jhalin · May 2019

Make trial rewards require more time, more skill, and more effort, then put that same reward in the shop for no effort at all

Swiftfox_Bouncyface · May 2019

Gotta keep the casuals satisfied u know

Runkorko · May 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

Make trial rewards require more time, more skill, and more effort, then put that same reward in the shop for no effort at all

No efforts ? You think real money come for free?
Nope, if you are 18+ they dont.
And if you are under, you shouldnt playing this game.

MajBludd · May 2019

If this is what gets you upset after all the other things zos has done over the years....

Numerikuu · May 2019

I honestly don't see the problem here. Those who can complete it will get one for free. Those who can't but still want something similar (why, when it's absolutely hideous imo) can buy it for an inordinate amount of crowns instead. Everybody wins? (Well, mostly Zenimax. The ones who loose I guess are those who would actually shell out for this thing, and those who want to feel special in an online video game

)

Jhalin · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Make trial rewards require more time, more skill, and more effort, then put that same reward in the shop for no effort at all

No efforts ? You think real money come for free?
Nope, if you are 18+ they dont.
And if you are under, you shouldnt playing this game.

6 hours of work to pay money

vs

Days and months of progression, fine tuning builds, adjusting positioning

Trust me, it is way harder and far more challenging to get a hm-no death-speed run than to spend half a shift’s work of money

Runkorko · May 2019

Jhalin wrote: »

Make trial rewards require more time, more skill, and more effort, then put that same reward in the shop for no effort at all

No efforts ? You think real money come for free?
Nope, if you are 18+ they dont.
And if you are under, you shouldnt playing this game.

Jhalin wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

Jhalin wrote: »

Make trial rewards require more time, more skill, and more effort, then put that same reward in the shop for no effort at all

No efforts ? You think real money come for free?
Nope, if you are 18+ they dont.
And if you are under, you shouldnt playing this game.

6 hours of work to pay money

vs

Days and months of progression, fine tuning builds, adjusting positioning

Trust me, it is way harder and far more challenging to get a hm-no death-speed run than to spend half a shift’s work of money

Depends what and where you work.
Not all have the "luck" to be born in murica

Pick the right ppl and you will get it for less than a 2.

Jadde_dahlbergb16_ESO · May 2019

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

See no problem here.
Even if they are the same/ with the same name even/
Is not the first game with "recolored" mounts.
You want it- get it from achievment, or buy it from store.

Cheezits94 wrote: »

With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

Update your video. Problem solved.

Saying that other games have done the same things before, doesn't justify it.
We want ESO to be better, not to repeat the same cheap schemes to save every penny they can.

Runkorko · May 2019

Jadde_dahlbergb16_ESO wrote: »

runkorkoeb17_ESO wrote: »

See no problem here.
Even if they are the same/ with the same name even/
Is not the first game with "recolored" mounts.
You want it- get it from achievment, or buy it from store.

Cheezits94 wrote: »

With lower graphic settings, gold is just a shade of brown, so you won't even be able to see any difference. People already can't tell which one is which from this picture and claim they are identical, which obviously is not the case:

Update your video. Problem solved.

Saying that other games have done the same things before, doesn't justify it.
We want ESO to be better, not to repeat the same cheap schemes to save every penny they can.

Its a BUSINES.
Acept it.
And mounts are diferent. For those who have eyes to see it/ want to see it.
For rest, it doesnt matter.

Peekachu99 · May 2019

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Nobody will notice the color of the leather. People see a ice senche with orange feet. That is all they notice. And literally perfecting a run in sunspire to get this will be hard.
That trial is is hard. The time trial of 30 minutes atm will be a very very very close call, not death will be very very hard, since bosses have a few ultra hard hitting attacks.
So you try to get there for weeks or possibly months until you see the achievement mount. When random bob here just spends his nans medicine money.
And nobody will even notice the difference and tell bob how awesome he is doing the sunspire achievement or the raiders that tried for months will get laughed at because got it from the crownstore.
The difference is so minimal. You can barely make out which one is which.

If something like this is tied to a achievemnt as reward. It should stay that. And not get devalued by greedy business practices ruining it for every player that actually want to work torwards something.
It will be easier to ask your nan for the money you need than actually play for it in the game.

“Random Bob” is the one consistently paying for each and every Crown Store bauble that appears during the months and months those Trial-grinders are working on unlocking that mount. Who is more worthy of a reward in this scenario? Why do you presume that just because Bob has decent disposable income, which he’s earned, that he’s somehow less-entitled to have a fancy mount than other players? Why do you even care? Achievements should be done for the personal challenge and thrill of conquering a seemingly insurmountable task. People that are dedicated Trials-enthusiasts get it for free, too, so what’s the complaint?

WolfingHour · May 2019

Nothing happened with all the reskinned versions of the tiger senche mount, and various other mounts. Nothing happened with all the reskinned versions of the fabrication polymorph.

Nothing will happen here so long as people keep buying content in the shop and going for these unlocks.

xMovingTarget · May 2019

Peekachu99 wrote: »

xMovingTarget wrote: »

Nobody will notice the color of the leather. People see a ice senche with orange feet. That is all they notice. And literally perfecting a run in sunspire to get this will be hard.
That trial is is hard. The time trial of 30 minutes atm will be a very very very close call, not death will be very very hard, since bosses have a few ultra hard hitting attacks.
So you try to get there for weeks or possibly months until you see the achievement mount. When random bob here just spends his nans medicine money.
And nobody will even notice the difference and tell bob how awesome he is doing the sunspire achievement or the raiders that tried for months will get laughed at because got it from the crownstore.
The difference is so minimal. You can barely make out which one is which.

If something like this is tied to a achievemnt as reward. It should stay that. And not get devalued by greedy business practices ruining it for every player that actually want to work torwards something.
It will be easier to ask your nan for the money you need than actually play for it in the game.

“Random Bob” is the one consistently paying for each and every Crown Store bauble that appears during the months and months those Trial-grinders are working on unlocking that mount. Who is more worthy of a reward in this scenario? Why do you presume that just because Bob has decent disposable income, which he’s earned, that he’s somehow less-entitled to have a fancy mount than other players? Why do you even care? Achievements should be done for the personal challenge and thrill of conquering a seemingly insurmountable task. People that are dedicated Trials-enthusiasts get it for free, too, so what’s the complaint?

What makes you think the hardcore players don't spend anything. They buy just as much if not more crowns.
Nobody is entitled to anything. But what is the point of making things that are an achievement, a sense of pride to finally have gotten done worth nothing because this generation wants everything with the least amount of effort and instantly. It is sad.
What is so wrong with having something unique when you worked for it?
This is why we can't have nice things anymore.