ApostateHobo wrote: »

Zos I know that for some reason you guys want to balance them at the same time, but this just isn't working out very well. Every update skills and occasionally sets are ruined for both groups of players because of it. What's fine in pve might be overperforming in pvp, something that's great for pvp might be completely useless for pve, etc. A good example is the recent proposed change to incap strike with it applying silence, very strong in pvp but pretty much useless pve wise. If we don't separate them we'll just continue going in circles of nerfing things then buffing them again in some odd way over and over. This isn't ever going to result in anything remotely balanced. All it's done so far is make a mess of many skills.

Pve and pvp balancing needs to be done separately.

ZOS's intransigence on this is beyond bizarre. No game has ever successfully balanced PVE and PVP as a single entity because their requirements are so different. This should have been done years ago. Step one: a dressing room so we can have multiple builds we can swap to depending on which mode we're in.

It is honestly not that hard to do it.
they just have to add a zone sync system to pvp enviroments. but in this case the sync will only effects on the skills, and only in pvp enviroment. And when you leav the pvp enviroment, the sync will turn off and here you have it, it wont effect the PVe and finaly balancing the PVP in the actualy enviroment. The only chalenging thing is from the devs, is to finde the working % on teh skills to be synced down, or up in the pvp enviroment. like Damage, healing, ect. but it can be done very effecetivly. And also relativly quicly as well, if they listen to the feedbacks on that matters. So thats my idea for how to separetly balance pvp from pve, yet you will remain competative in both game mod, while you dont have to worry about the stupid nerf weaves. ZOS here is your task how to balance pvp without ruining pve. Tkae the hint, you gonna need it, if you dotn want your game end up dead by teh fustrated player base. You are welcome @ZOS

Jaraal wrote: »

Ashtaris wrote: »

I’ll be so happy if ZOS ever does seperate PVP from PVE. Most of us has been asking for this since Beta, but ZOS has stubbornly refused to seperate the two, most likely due to a lack of resources and the extra manpower it would require.

Lack of resources..... from a multi-billion dollar company with "millions" of paying players?



Interesting. Wonder where all that money goes.....

Coffee. Eats up most of the budget in fact.

There's also an emergency supply of Mountain Dew in the back room that needs restocked every so often.

AMEN

I have always agreed that PvE and PvP are two separate games and, despite ZOS intransigence, need to be balanced separately.

- CC does not work on PvE bosses but buts works on PvP bosses (players).
- PvP requires defense against crits; PvE does not.
- Taunt works on PvE bosses but not on PvP bosses (players).
- On-the-ground AoE killing zones are key to killing in PvE. PvP players simply step out of the killing zone.
- Steady damage from multiple sources (AoE, DoT, etc) is key in PvE. Burst is king in PvP.

Minyassa wrote: »

I don't think it's a lack of resources. I think that they really use "we wanted to be different" as an excuse to leave annoying crap in the game and not have to put in the work to mess with it. They know that enough of us will be satisfied enough with the stuff that isn't annoying crap to just ignore and put up with the annoying crap, so they can ignore it themselves.

Exactly.

Instead of unsubbing eso+ and logging into other games, we mindlessly continue playing with an eso mind fog trance

Wake up

They totally need to do this. No idea why they aren't.

There literally are separate balances for PVE and PVP, but a lot of them are not explicitly described in-game.

Kikke wrote: »

Uhm.. they are already balancing PvP and PvE separated. Battle spirit, PvP specific CPs, Gear with PvP conditions and PvE conditions. They have also stated that they balance abilities with both PvP and PvE in mind, not that they are combined. See wrecking blow vs dizzying swing, one is good for PvE and the other for PvP. But both work for the opposite but maybe not as well. Same can be said about most abilities.

You either do not pvp or do not pve to say something so empty and ill informed.

Roll with dragon bones
Enchant procs with Murkmire

Those are 2 of many examples that would show that you have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about.....