Incap -> dead

MalcolM24 · May 2019

So I'm not sure what exactly the logic behind this change is (see video below), but if a nb gets his 120 ult now, the opposing player is left with no counterplay at all. Oh, you can spam roll twice afterwards? Until you get ccd ofc, or some dots might take you down. And then you're out of stamina. For any magicka player, this is worse than defile. This is just a complete shutdown.

For sorcs (mostly): imagine having a shieldbug everytime someone incaps.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Oso1ZqauU

Insco851 · May 2019

WTB stamblade buddy so go gib all the Magsorc with.

Diundriel · May 2019

i am Looking Forward for playing my magplar with plenty of burst heals and kinda no heal over time^^ so you are actually ***.

PureEnvelope35 · May 2019

This will be a buff if you're a crayon eating stamina Nightblade like my friend @TheRealSniker.

This will be a nerf if you're literally anything else

Love you Snikey

Kalixte · May 2019

MalcolM24 wrote: »

For sorcs (mostly): imagine having a shieldbug everytime someone incaps.

Imagine this change with 75% of Cyrodiil population being a stamblade.

Ragnaroek93 · May 2019

This makes me wonder if anybody from ZOS actually plays PvP in this game lol...

MalcolM24 · May 2019

Kalixte wrote: »

MalcolM24 wrote: »

For sorcs (mostly): imagine having a shieldbug everytime someone incaps.

Imagine this change with 75% of Cyrodiil population being a stamblade.

at this point I'll be hoping they just stay at 40m range and snipe ...

hunter937 · May 2019

I like it

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

So there were 2 dominating classes - stamblade and magsorc. Others were slightly behind, magblade was bad. ZOS nerfs everyone with exception of stamblade and magsorc, nerfs magblade more then anybody and then gives stamblade hard counter to magsorcs...

Wolfahm · May 2019

Just revert all the NB changes and call it a day... before the massive Sorc lobby that is the ESO forums has a panic attack and a rage fest.

MalcolM24 · May 2019

Wolfahm wrote: »

Just revert all the NB changes and call it a day... before the massive Sorc lobby that is the ESO forums has a panic attack and a rage fest.

as if this is a sorc only problem

Cortimi · May 2019

As a stam player, I find this a VERY welcome change. The fact that entire mag-class community will be flipping out over ONE class having ONE hard counter is a testament to just how brokenly overperforming mag-classes (Sorcs) are/were and just how terrified they are of having a legitimate counterplay to the cheese they have been running rampant with.

Notice, there are no stamblades crying about how the silence will prevent cloaking? It's just magsorcs mad because now they won't be able to faceroll.

PapaWeeb · May 2019

🦀🦀 ZOS still can't balance their game 🦀🦀

laksikus · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

As a stam player, I find this a VERY welcome change. The fact that entire mag-class community will be flipping out over ONE class having ONE hard counter is a testament to just how brokenly overperforming mag-classes (Sorcs) are/were and just how terrified they are of having a legitimate counterplay to the cheese they have been running rampant with.

Notice, there are no stamblades crying about how the silence will prevent cloaking? It's just magsorcs mad because now they won't be able to faceroll.

cos stamblades dont care if thex cant cloak, they will just dodge roll2 times.
if i get silenced as magblade im dead. i can barely dodge 2 times, but then im out of mag to break free.

i would rather fight a perma winged magdk, and thats the fullcounter to magnb

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

As a stam player, I find this a VERY welcome change. The fact that entire mag-class community will be flipping out over ONE class having ONE hard counter is a testament to just how brokenly overperforming mag-classes (Sorcs) are/were and just how terrified they are of having a legitimate counterplay to the cheese they have been running rampant with.

Notice, there are no stamblades crying about how the silence will prevent cloaking? It's just magsorcs mad because now they won't be able to faceroll.

Nice troll mate. Can we get a cheap, spammable mag ult that will disable everything that Costs stam because stamblades are overperforming? Every other stam class will be collateral Damage? Like Soul assault? It disabling sprinting, dodging, Blocking and stam abilities sounds fair Right? Or is there a double Standard going on in your mindset?

Also why would a stamblade be crying when they get handed a tool that makes any mag class free ap? And the patch that was supposed to nerf you buffed you? I guess some stamblade mains will still do since they among some magsorc mains on the Forums are the most delusional People to Play this game and cant even realize when their class is in a strong spot or getting buffed.
@Cortimi

Flame_of_Hades · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

As a stam player, I find this a VERY welcome change. The fact that entire mag-class community will be flipping out over ONE class having ONE hard counter is a testament to just how brokenly overperforming mag-classes (Sorcs) are/were and just how terrified they are of having a legitimate counterplay to the cheese they have been running rampant with.

Notice, there are no stamblades crying about how the silence will prevent cloaking? It's just magsorcs mad because now they won't be able to faceroll.

stam still has a defense (roll dodge and the ability to break free after rolling, magicka does not. Name one counter to stamina that is as hard as this, because magicka has NO counterplay to this. its almost as if they gave the stun back to incap, but made it unbreakable... but only for magicka..

zParallaxz · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

As a stam player, I find this a VERY welcome change. The fact that entire mag-class community will be flipping out over ONE class having ONE hard counter is a testament to just how brokenly overperforming mag-classes (Sorcs) are/were and just how terrified they are of having a legitimate counterplay to the cheese they have been running rampant with.

Notice, there are no stamblades crying about how the silence will prevent cloaking? It's just magsorcs mad because now they won't be able to faceroll.

Are you trolling ?

SJD_Phoenix · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

As a stam player, I find this a VERY welcome change. The fact that entire mag-class community will be flipping out over ONE class having ONE hard counter is a testament to just how brokenly overperforming mag-classes (Sorcs) are/were and just how terrified they are of having a legitimate counterplay to the cheese they have been running rampant with.

Notice, there are no stamblades crying about how the silence will prevent cloaking? It's just magsorcs mad because now they won't be able to faceroll.

Whatever you're smoking, please share with everyone else. Sounds like some awesome product.

Nox_Noir · May 2019

Aedaryl · May 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So there were 2 dominating classes - stamblade and magsorc. Others were slightly behind, magblade was bad. ZOS nerfs everyone with exception of stamblade and magsorc, nerfs magblade more then anybody and then gives stamblade hard counter to magsorcs...

You speak a lot but you don't understand what you read.

Sorc got 20% less shield than on live.

Sorcs pets got 50% less healing from live.

Sorcs matriarch and scamp + monster set (shadowrend, Maw of the infernal) got 15% nerf from deadric prey.

And ZoS didn't nerfed sorc ?

Really ?

They litterally nerfed why people complain about : pets build.

Juhasow · May 2019

Aedaryl wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So there were 2 dominating classes - stamblade and magsorc. Others were slightly behind, magblade was bad. ZOS nerfs everyone with exception of stamblade and magsorc, nerfs magblade more then anybody and then gives stamblade hard counter to magsorcs...

You speak a lot but you don't understand what you read.

Sorc got 20% less shield than on live.

Sorcs pets got 50% less healing from live.

Sorcs matriarch and scamp + monster set (shadowrend, Maw of the infernal) got 15% nerf from deadric prey.

And ZoS didn't nerfed sorc ?

Really ?

They litterally nerfed why people complain about : pets build.

In most cases shield value is not changed at all. Personally in PvP I have excatly the same shield value on PTS and live server in the same build in both CP and non CP.

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

Aedaryl wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So there were 2 dominating classes - stamblade and magsorc. Others were slightly behind, magblade was bad. ZOS nerfs everyone with exception of stamblade and magsorc, nerfs magblade more then anybody and then gives stamblade hard counter to magsorcs...

You speak a lot but you don't understand what you read.

Sorc got 20% less shield than on live.

Sorcs pets got 50% less healing from live.

Sorcs matriarch and scamp + monster set (shadowrend, Maw of the infernal) got 15% nerf from deadric prey.

And ZoS didn't nerfed sorc ?

Really ?

They litterally nerfed why people complain about : pets build.

In short:
Sorc nerfs - daedric prey (blessed morph, I love when sorcs use this instead of haunting) and couple of fixed abused bugs.
Sorc buffs - minor buffs to a lot of abilities, RAT, nerfs of key opponent's abilities (wings, snares, scorch, cloak), removal of shield breaker, nerf of oblivion enchants

So as of 5.0.2 sorc was a dream class, with full pack of abilities and without reliable counters. Now it is justly toned down, but unfortunately together with other mag classes which were not over-performing in any way.

So I understand what I see on PTS, and what see you if your ward is capped by spell power and not by health? 0_o but ok, I didn't run sorc for a long time, maybe I am wrong and ward is capped by spell power, prove me wrong, I'm always open to new info and ready to accept that I'm wrong.

Strider__Roshin · May 2019

Could be worse, you could be wearing medium armor against an opponent using Soul Assault + Haunting Curse. SA is an even cheaper ultimate btw

Joosef_Kivikilpi · May 2019

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So there were 2 dominating classes - stamblade and magsorc. Others were slightly behind, magblade was bad. ZOS nerfs everyone with exception of stamblade and magsorc, nerfs magblade more then anybody and then gives stamblade hard counter to magsorcs...

Hard counter to Mageblade... And then no cost Mark on top of the silence hahaha I love trying to survive as a Mageblade 😐

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

Joosef_Kivikilpi wrote: »

MartiniDaniels wrote: »

So there were 2 dominating classes - stamblade and magsorc. Others were slightly behind, magblade was bad. ZOS nerfs everyone with exception of stamblade and magsorc, nerfs magblade more then anybody and then gives stamblade hard counter to magsorcs...

Hard counter to Mageblade... And then no cost Mark on top of the silence hahaha I love trying to survive as a Mageblade 😐

I think on new magblade we should simply never leave cloak other then for short burst (with incap) then tp to shadow and back to permacloak

grannas211 · May 2019

Daus wrote: »

Could be worse, you could be wearing medium armor against an opponent using Soul Assault + Haunting Curse. SA is an even cheaper ultimate btw

Sure, if it blocked you from using any of your abilities, and your ability to block and dodge was from your off stat ability, you're damn right. Oh wait....

Aurielle · May 2019

Cortimi wrote: »

As a stam player, I find this a VERY welcome change. The fact that entire mag-class community will be flipping out over ONE class having ONE hard counter is a testament to just how brokenly overperforming mag-classes (Sorcs) are/were and just how terrified they are of having a legitimate counterplay to the cheese they have been running rampant with.

Notice, there are no stamblades crying about how the silence will prevent cloaking? It's just magsorcs mad because now they won't be able to faceroll.

WTF? This change will affect every mag class, not just magsorc. Take your anti sorc bias out of this thread, please and thanks. Sorc (non-pet) is currently the most balanced it has been in a long time. Also, as a stam player, you should be fairly used to face rolling, so I don’t know why you see it fit to use that as an insult.

Vapirko · May 2019

They obviously couldn't figure out how to make the mangle work, are running out of time in this PTS cycle, had come to far to revert the changes and were like what can we do that would be super easy...

MartiniDaniels · May 2019

Mangle is such a mess, idk why they ever decided to hang it on incap

I got a feeling that new combat team doesn't know how some useless rarely used things work, so they decide to hang them on something popular and look what will come out of it

Savos_Saren · May 2019

All this fighting between MagSorcs and StamBlades screaming about nerfing the other one...

...and all the rest of the builds just want to be buffed to their level.

Sanguinor2 · May 2019

Savos_Saren wrote: »

All this fighting between MagSorcs and StamBlades screaming about nerfing the other one...

...and all the rest of the builds just want to be buffed to their level.

Even worse in this case, they end up as collateral Damage.