Should pledge giver ask for dps test?

Facefister · May 2019

"Being nice being nice"
I'll tell you what. From my experience 8 out of 10 "casuals" totally ignore what I say before the pull and look dead into my eyes before they step into the red circle. I don't give a damn about your judgement. You don't want to carry your burden? Get out. That has not even remotely something to do with "being nice".

ZonasArch · May 2019

Facefister wrote: »

"Being nice being nice"
I'll tell you what. From my experience 8 out of 10 "casuals" totally ignore what I say before the pull and look dead into my eyes before they step into the red circle. I don't give a damn about your judgement. You don't want to carry your burden? Get out. That has not even remotely something to do with "being nice".

You called yourself a nice guy, not me. Jussayin.

idk · May 2019

Facefister wrote: »

heaven13 wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

SirAndy wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

I've reached a point where I don't care anymore: When CMX tells me that I am 80%~90% single-target DPS there will be a votekick. Getting real tired about all these mind gymnastics. Stay on normal if you're a "casual".

If you are doing 90% of the damage in a vet dungeon, why not just carry your group?
I mean, you are already practically soloing the dungeon, so why does it bother you that you have spectators?

You should be proudly showing off your skills instead of giving yourself a hemorrhage while rage-kicking the "casuals" ...

PS: +1 awesome for picking a forum name that fits your personality!

It's all about teamwork. When I have to kill both ogres at vSCP while you're trying to figure out your magicka-archer build you can prepare yourself for a kick. Do your job or get out.

With your friendly, helpful attitude it's a wonder you have to pug at all. /s

I have a core team, but sometimes one of us isn't online when we run pledges and we queue in. Actually I am a nice guy but I am strict when it comes to teamwork.

While I ceased queuing solo to help out GF, got tired of bad groups but still know this idea is bad.

We do often queue 3 man to see what we get. sometimes we get a good player. Sometimes a bad player. But it is the ones that cannot work mechanics that are the issue. I tend to watch them. If they die and I say not to rez no one touches them, even if they are the healer.

DPS has never been the issue as we know we can carry whoever we get. It is the benefit of forming at least most of your group before queueing. You have control. Have no idea why people queue solo then complain about what they get. Just seems to be blaming someone else for your own choices.

Facefister · May 2019

ZonasArch wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

"Being nice being nice"
I'll tell you what. From my experience 8 out of 10 "casuals" totally ignore what I say before the pull and look dead into my eyes before they step into the red circle. I don't give a damn about your judgement. You don't want to carry your burden? Get out. That has not even remotely something to do with "being nice".

You called yourself a nice guy, not me. Jussayin.

Your definition of "kindness" is limited to the amount of carry you can get from said person? Am I the jerk here?

BrianLovesLisa · May 2019

Sigh, looks like a WoW refugee found its way here, WoW was stupid to ask for these tests, with dungeons it did not help what so ever and still had people who couldn't clear trash.

Facefister · May 2019

Those "WoW refugees" gone as quickly as they came.

D0PAMINE · May 2019

Facefister wrote: »

ZonasArch wrote: »

Facefister wrote: »

"Being nice being nice"
I'll tell you what. From my experience 8 out of 10 "casuals" totally ignore what I say before the pull and look dead into my eyes before they step into the red circle. I don't give a damn about your judgement. You don't want to carry your burden? Get out. That has not even remotely something to do with "being nice".

You called yourself a nice guy, not me. Jussayin.

Your definition of "kindness" is limited to the amount of carry you can get from said person? Am I the jerk here?

Just play the way you want. Everyone in here is getting riled up over nothing. Some people listen to Mechs, some don't. I put my energy into those that do, because I used to be clueless. I literally ran Oblivions Foe for the first year I played lol

SteampunkWerewolf · May 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

You won't get better by getting carried by other players over and over. You get better by practicing your rotation on a dummy and finding proper gear for your role.

Attacking a dummy over and over isn’t going to teach me a dungeon or trial mechanic, and finding the gear I need so far has lead me into dungeons, so again what you said doesn’t make much sense. Yes an attack dummy is good to learn some stuff but that isn’t going to make me feel like I can just stroll into vet fang lair after hitting it for a week straight. Also I don’t mind carrying someone who really wants to learn and yes sometimes I get carried too but I always ask and listen to any advice, which is far more valuable than attacking a dummy all day. Plus its one of the more social aspects of the game that isn’t pvp and I enjoy it, and usually make it through dungeons just fine. Also at the end of the day I paid for this game and all it’s content so you can bet I’m going to play ALL of it.

SirAndy · May 2019

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idk wrote: »

... Have no idea why people queue solo then complain about what they get. Just seems to be blaming someone else for your own choices.

ccmedaddy · May 2019

SteampunkWerewolf wrote: »

ccmedaddy wrote: »

You won't get better by getting carried by other players over and over. You get better by practicing your rotation on a dummy and finding proper gear for your role.

Attacking a dummy over and over isn’t going to teach me a dungeon or trial mechanic, and finding the gear I need so far has lead me into dungeons, so again what you said doesn’t make much sense. Yes an attack dummy is good to learn some stuff but that isn’t going to make me feel like I can just stroll into vet fang lair after hitting it for a week straight. Also I don’t mind carrying someone who really wants to learn and yes sometimes I get carried too but I always ask and listen to any advice, which is far more valuable than attacking a dummy all day. Plus its one of the more social aspects of the game that isn’t pvp and I enjoy it, and usually make it through dungeons just fine. Also at the end of the day I paid for this game and all it’s content so you can bet I’m going to play ALL of it.

I actually don't really disagree with anything you said here, but I was talking about folks who queue for vet dungeons without knowing what a rotation is and spam light attacks through the whole dungeon in suboptimal gear. It doesn't sound like you're one of those people so my apologies for making a false assumption.

If a DPS has at least has some semblance of a rotation and does the bare minimum dps (15k or so) I have no problem helping them through the dungeon, explaining the mechanics, etc etc. But based on my experience with pugs a lot of people queue for content that they're simply not ready for and expect strangers to carry them through it, and for those people I think their time would be better spent practicing their rotation on a dummy and acquiring proper gear in normal dungeons.

StormeReigns · May 2019

This thread is about as useful as them "shut down Cyrodill after 9pm est cause late night players play while I am asleep" threads.

Ohtimbar · May 2019

There enough tests in real life without adding them to games. Leave the tests at school where they belong.

therift · May 2019

It's about time to remove test dummies and dps parse results from the game.

The Uninvited · May 2019

Yeah, that would be good to exclude all tanks and healers.

SteampunkWerewolf · May 2019

ccmedaddy wrote: »

I actually don't really disagree with anything you said here, but I was talking about folks who queue for vet dungeons without knowing what a rotation is and spam light attacks through the whole dungeon in suboptimal gear. It doesn't sound like you're one of those people so my apologies for making a false assumption.

If a DPS has at least has some semblance of a rotation and does the bare minimum dps (15k or so) I have no problem helping them through the dungeon, explaining the mechanics, etc etc. But based on my experience with pugs a lot of people queue for content that they're simply not ready for and expect strangers to carry them through it, and for those people I think their time would be better spent practicing their rotation on a dummy and acquiring proper gear in normal dungeons.

I agree with you on that, I avoided all dlc dungeons until I was through the basic 1 and 2 dungeons, and yes, those folks who queue and then just spam light attacks or run around expecting a carry without trying or asking for help are pretty annoying, I've dealt with a few and I am certainly not the best dps myself, but I give runs an honest go and reach out for help when I can. Honestly maybe having dlc dungeons lock until they do normal dungeons isn't so bad an idea.

Runefang · May 2019

Simple solution: Only pug what you can carry, otherwise have an organised group.

Edziu · May 2019

Runefang wrote: »

Simple solution: Only pug what you can carry, otherwise have an organised group.

so in your words.....no matter what players we will get we are forced to carry them no matter how noob, unskilled they are and not matter how much our time it will waste?
thx for your opinion and here people are curious why more exp players dont want even try to help those noobs - as many those noobs expect from start those exp players are forced to run those dungs with pug what they will get not matter how weak and just carry them

Grianasteri · May 2019

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Those 3 undaunted guys giving pledges should ask for you to do a dps test before giving you the actual pledge. They would only give you pledge if you reach their desired dps parse.

So what would the test be for tank and healer?

Absolutely not.

However what would be interesting is an event, quest etc that did require a dps standard to receive different rewards etc. That could easily be worked into some kind of quest.

Kel · May 2019

Edziu wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Simple solution: Only pug what you can carry, otherwise have an organised group.

not matter how much our time it will waste?

Oh boy..that extra minute or ten to clear a dungeon must be a real deal breaker.

If you don't have a extra few minutes to spare, maybe time heavy invested games like mmo's aren't your genre.

Wasted time is the dumbest excuse in the book. It's a video game, a hobby. The entire thing is a waste of time. It's not life, or a job...its literally you sitting in front of a screen wasting time.

Especially in a random pug. If you go in thinking everything is going to be smooth and perfect that makes YOU the noob.

Start your own group.

Edziu · May 2019

Kel wrote: »

Edziu wrote: »

Runefang wrote: »

Simple solution: Only pug what you can carry, otherwise have an organised group.

not matter how much our time it will waste?

Oh boy..that extra minute or ten to clear a dungeon must be a real deal breaker.

If you don't have a extra few minutes to spare, maybe time heavy invested games like mmo's aren't your genre.

Wasted time is the dumbest excuse in the book. It's a video game, a hobby. The entire thing is a waste of time. It's not life, or a job...its literally you sitting in front of a screen wasting time.

Especially in a random pug. If you go in thinking everything is going to be smooth and perfect that makes YOU the noob.

Start your own group.

just extra minute few minutes isnt big deal but then this is saying someone have just barely lower dps or dont know yet percectly mechanics

what about we are talking is someone as I was writing here...with pds or lower than support role so 15k and lower + mostly also not knowing mechanics here...so dung run isnt longer for an extra few mins but for an extra many times dozen of minutes caused by to low dps and not knowing mechanics to many wipes expecially on harder dungs like CoA2, CoH2 etc and ofc dlc dungs

just dungs on "1" mode like fg1, ws1 etc are really easy, those basic basic game dungs and on "2" mode like just ws2 level is raised very higher as how much more health and harder hits have every mob on vet while it is still in basic game content but yet much harder than those "1" dungs and without "2"nd "mode"

thorwyn · May 2019

nevermind...

Izaki · May 2019

Just carry everyone and be done with it.

thorwyn · May 2019

you are showing that we are forced to carry for free noobs which will learn nothing from them and be only ball on chain
for

You are not forced to carry anyone buddy.
You are just forced to accept that the sun doesn't shine out of your orifices.

Edziu · May 2019

thorwyn wrote: »

you are showing that we are forced to carry for free noobs which will learn nothing from them and be only ball on chain
for

You are not forced to carry anyone buddy.
You are just forced to accept that the sun doesn't shine out of your orifices.

but in your words it was described that, like every not exp player here, noob have privilege to be carried by anyone and any of those more exp players who just dont have time to bother with them (mostly single but also often 2 of them in group) and have duty to carry them for free or leave group with penalty and then waiting again to get group formed

sorry but all of this noobs here are not victims as they decided to go on vet content for which they are not ready so going with it to cripple rest of group which is ready for this dung but now with mate which woudl be literally an ball of chain for them for nothing

atleast good option would be also separated queue for players wanting hm's through lfg tool...this should then open mind for more players as this queue would be really open for more exp players wanting just to have done without real struggle this without defenders of noobs not ready for harder content but still queing for this

Kalgert · May 2019

me_ming wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Those 3 undaunted guys giving pledges should ask for you to do a dps test before giving you the actual pledge. They would only give you pledge if you reach their desired dps parse.

So what would the test be for tank and healer?

I'm just gonna say this, you're in one of my guilds, if you want this to be in game, trust me your DPS won't be enough. Good luck ever getting a pledge. So if I were you, I'd practice on your rotations instead of trolling this forum.

I am not sure if to call this a glorious roast, or something else.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Those 3 undaunted guys giving pledges should ask for you to do a dps test before giving you the actual pledge. They would only give you pledge if you reach their desired dps parse.

So what would the test be for tank and healer?

I'm just gonna say this, you're in one of my guilds, if you want this to be in game, trust me your DPS won't be enough. Good luck ever getting a pledge. So if I were you, I'd practice on your rotations instead of trolling this forum.

I am not sure if to call this a glorious roast, or something else.

here is my rotation its not the best but i hope i pass your standard?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vjKnS_frmQ

thorwyn · May 2019

but in your words it was described that, like every not exp player here, noob have privilege to be carried by anyone and any of those more exp players who just dont have time to bother with them

Ok listen...
Obviously English is not your native language. That's ok, I'm not a native English speaker either. You probably misunderstood what I was trying to say, so I'll try this again as "defensive" as possible, although your repetitive, deprecative use of the insult "noob" is rather annoying.

You say that you are tired of carrying people who are underperforming their role. That's fine, we've all been there at some point I guess. Now this thread is about the group finder and queueing for dungeons. Those dungeons have level requirements, meaning you can not queue for a certain vet dungeon unless you have a certain CP level. THIS is the requirement that players are facing. Their skill, dps, knowledge of the game etc. is completely and utterly irrelevant.

Now, YOU are trying to kind of force the group finder to cater YOUR expectations. And that's not going to happen. Like I said, the world does not revolve around you, there are hundreds and thousands of other people playing this game. Each one with a different skill level. You simply can't expect other players to take care about your personal preferences. Noone expects you to carry any "noob" if you don't want to. If you don't want that, fine. Kick them, leave the group, form your own group, whatever. It's not the nicest thing to do, but hey, who are we to judge your actions? But please, do NOT expect anyone to be considerate about what you want. This group finder does not belong to you, it's a tool ready to use for anyone. You are not setting the landmarks.

russelmmendoza · May 2019

Kalgert wrote: »

me_ming wrote: »

russelmmendoza wrote: »

Those 3 undaunted guys giving pledges should ask for you to do a dps test before giving you the actual pledge. They would only give you pledge if you reach their desired dps parse.

So what would the test be for tank and healer?

I'm just gonna say this, you're in one of my guilds, if you want this to be in game, trust me your DPS won't be enough. Good luck ever getting a pledge. So if I were you, I'd practice on your rotations instead of trolling this forum.

I am not sure if to call this a glorious roast, or something else.

kindly post your self buff dps parse, so i would acknowledge your better than me?

Anotherone773 · May 2019

I see a lot of angry meta players and elitists here that are appalled that people will " not learn to play the game the proper way" and that they might have to interact with these heathens.

All these arguments are really pointless because:

1) Everyone pays the same for the content. You do not get to dictate how or under what conditions I, a filthy casual, get to do said content or what content i am "allowed" to do.

2)You have no more right to tell me how to play than i have to tell you how to play. Simply stay in your own lane.

3) Guilds and guildmates are the solution to your problem. You can have up to 2495 different guildmates who all want to play like you.

4) Your arguments are the same as a PVPer saying that we should be able to PVP everywhere or a RPer saying that RPing and staying in character is required to play this game.

5) Without all of us filthy casuals to poison your game with our medicoriness, you would have a really hard time finding a group for anything since we make up a rather large majority of the community. So you might want to try to learn to play the game like a normal person who has a life outside of video games.

oddbasket · May 2019

No need for dps parse. Most vet dungeons are not a dps race. With a good tank, even low cp pugs can complete them as long as they understand when someone explains the boss fights to them.