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Grim Focus "nerf" is actually a buff
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Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »
Yep. A 10k merciless in no-CP = 3300 heal = 1650 after battle spirit.
That one will save ya!
do damage percent based heals get halved? i am pretty sure they they don't, as they are already halved in the damaged part.
Doesn't matter. Devs trying to pass it off as a burst heal truly is comical
Lol do you get a heal in one chunk? Then that's a burst heal.
You heard it folks, 1-2k hp is a “burst heal”
My CP gives me a “burst heal” when I get crit too.
Can’t forget stamplar’s “burst heal” from Jabs
Or stamsorc’s “burst heals” from Surge
Or Warden’s “burst heal” from using an animal companion
If it’s not returning a noticeable chunk of HP, it’s not a burst heal. If it can be dodged, it’s not a reliable heal. If it can be reduced by an enemy’s resists, it’s not a good heal.
ok then we agree, they should remove both the heal and the mitigation because nightblade doesn't need either with cloak/major evasion access lolMinno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Sureshawt✭✭✭✭You all don't get it... NBs can't tank or heal, their only purpose is doing dmg and that's it... If you want to be a brawler, pick a DK, if you want to have high heals, pick a Templar...
Stop this nonsense, don't try to make the damn Rogue class into a tank because it's clearly not one.
I'm sick of Devs trying to reinvent the wheel, sometimes it make me think that they haven't play an MMO in their lives...
^This. I'm sick of this YOYO crap. For a game this mature the lack of a clear and consistent vision for classes is disturbing.4 -
Chelo✭✭✭✭✭dps class, is suppose to D P S
so this is good.
thats why im not a healer
thats why im not a tank
i chose D P S because i want a dps class.
There is not such thing as DPS class. Every class is designed to be viable in every function with its own twist.
If you think NBs is all about damage you didn’t get the concept of the game.
You didn't get the concept of MMOs...0 -
HEBREWHAMMERRR✭✭✭✭✭Brawler nightblade builds are about to be in the best spot they’ve been in a long time. I am excited to test out the changes.5
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✭HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »Brawler nightblade builds are about to be in the best spot they’ve been in a long time. I am excited to test out the changes.
They were already the best version of stamnb since one tamriel came out, so I don't really see the point of excitement. Your strong spec will just become tankier and lose quite some damage.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »
Yep. A 10k merciless in no-CP = 3300 heal = 1650 after battle spirit.
That one will save ya!
Typically the heal that is based on a damage skill in PVP does not have the same half restriction of normal heals because the damage is already cut in half.
Do you have a link or doc proving this? it is something I have been wondering for a long time now, about strife for example.
That's the way it's supposed to work. The damage is already reduced by Battlespirit so it should not be reduced. If a heal based off damage is getting reduced by 50% from battlespirit, that is a bug.Make Rush of Agony "Monsters only." People should not be consecutively crowd controlled in a PvP setting. Period.0 -
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Curious when sorcs are going to get similar treatment. Maybe making haunting a projectile to allow better counterplay?
The same day when cloak will recive streak increase cost treatment lol. Seriously sorry but I cant stop laughing when I see dodge roll spamming stamblades complaining about curse in context of counterplay.
and that'll happen when ZoS adds potions that prevent sorcs from streaking and Shielding for 15 seconds.
That will happen when detect potions will also disable options for nightblade to use shadow image dodge roll and moving for 15 seconds.
If they did that with dodge roll everyone would roll magDK and spam talons... then after about maybe 3 days, quite the game. XD
I never got the argument that Shade and Streak where somehow comparable. 1 requires some level of skill and tactical placement and being aware of the radius of your shade, the other does not. from a balance perspective, i prefer shade to streak as an escape.Edited by Lucky28 on May 6, 2019 10:45PMInvictus3 -
Jhalin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »
Yep. A 10k merciless in no-CP = 3300 heal = 1650 after battle spirit.
That one will save ya!
do damage percent based heals get halved? i am pretty sure they they don't, as they are already halved in the damaged part.
Doesn't matter. Devs trying to pass it off as a burst heal truly is comical
Lol do you get a heal in one chunk? Then that's a burst heal.
You heard it folks, 1-2k hp is a “burst heal”
My CP gives me a “burst heal” when I get crit too.
Can’t forget stamplar’s “burst heal” from Jabs
Or stamsorc’s “burst heals” from Surge
Or Warden’s “burst heal” from using an animal companion
If it’s not returning a noticeable chunk of HP, it’s not a burst heal. If it can be dodged, it’s not a reliable heal. If it can be reduced by an enemy’s resists, it’s not a good heal.
ok then we agree, they should remove both the heal and the mitigation because nightblade doesn't need either with cloak/major evasion access lol
They don’t need extra mitigation, but they do need at least one case they perform well (currently single target dps, in Elsweyr they don’t even have that edging out), because they have no useful group utility, they can’t flex roles, and their defense is based on unreliable evasion tool in Cloak (which is worthless in BGs or open world Cyro. It’s the most easily countered defense in the game
NB needs group utility in place of this stupid change, if they’re so insistent on removing the damage amp2 -
Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »
Yep. A 10k merciless in no-CP = 3300 heal = 1650 after battle spirit.
That one will save ya!
do damage percent based heals get halved? i am pretty sure they they don't, as they are already halved in the damaged part.
Doesn't matter. Devs trying to pass it off as a burst heal truly is comical
Lol do you get a heal in one chunk? Then that's a burst heal.
You heard it folks, 1-2k hp is a “burst heal”
My CP gives me a “burst heal” when I get crit too.
Can’t forget stamplar’s “burst heal” from Jabs
Or stamsorc’s “burst heals” from Surge
Or Warden’s “burst heal” from using an animal companion
If it’s not returning a noticeable chunk of HP, it’s not a burst heal. If it can be dodged, it’s not a reliable heal. If it can be reduced by an enemy’s resists, it’s not a good heal.
ok then we agree, they should remove both the heal and the mitigation because nightblade doesn't need either with cloak/major evasion access lol
I actually agree. Just buff Light and Heavy attack damage upon the initial cast of the skill. Give back the Minor Endurance to Relentless and add Minor Intellect to Merciless. Make 30 sec base duration. Boom. Good skill again without being OP.@ Izaki #PCEU
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Nerftheforums wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »Brawler nightblade builds are about to be in the best spot they’ve been in a long time. I am excited to test out the changes.
They were already the best version of stamnb since one tamriel came out, so I don't really see the point of excitement. Your strong spec will just become tankier and lose quite some damage.
^ This. But no one seems to get that.Edited by Izaki on May 6, 2019 11:15PM@ Izaki #PCEU
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Nerftheforums wrote: »HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »Brawler nightblade builds are about to be in the best spot they’ve been in a long time. I am excited to test out the changes.
They were already the best version of stamnb since one tamriel came out, so I don't really see the point of excitement. Your strong spec will just become tankier and lose quite some damage.
^ This. But no one seems to get that.
Best version of stamnb doesn’t mean the best stamina class. I’d say both DKs and especially wardens are stronger.
Comparing mitigation isn’t the whole story, DKs still have 50% reduction from projectiles. Stamwarden can still negate all projectiles. That’s along with far superior self healing.
None of this matters in duels since someone would be crazy to use projectiles against either class, but pvp =/ duels. The best mitigation is 100% and Wardens will still have it with DKs getting 50%.
Basicly the 15% unnamed mitigation is to offset lower self healing plus lacking minor protection. NBs can get minor protection, but not in pvp without taking a major hit.Edited by Iskiab on May 6, 2019 11:31PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten2 -
Tessitura✭✭✭✭✭I cant help but wonder how many of you actually went over to the pts to see how the change effected things, and how many just read a thing then got upset. NB is doing pretty well on pts, the ones I have tested and seen are not suffering some game ending blow to the ankles. Often times things look worse on paper then in practice. It doesn't even look that bad on paper in the first place, you lost 8% damage you can make up for with other sets and group buffs.0 -
Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭dps class, is suppose to D P S
so this is good.
thats why im not a healer
thats why im not a tank
i chose D P S because i want a dps class.
There is not such thing as DPS class. Every class is designed to be viable in every function with its own twist.
If you think NBs is all about damage you didn’t get the concept of the game.
You didn't get the concept of MMOs...
We're not playing WoW here, this is ESO, where sap tanks had a glorious time of undisputed self sustain and healing, stamsorcs were able to crit people from 100 to zero, stamdks ran 2h/bow with bursty setups and mag templas had insane CC control. Those times are gone now for sure, but that doesnt mean templars have to heal, sorcs have to shield and nightblades have to do damage. This is not the game anyone here has signed up for.2 -
Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I cant help but wonder how many of you actually went over to the pts to see how the change effected things, and how many just read a thing then got upset. NB is doing pretty well on pts, the ones I have tested and seen are not suffering some game ending blow to the ankles. Often times things look worse on paper then in practice. It doesn't even look that bad on paper in the first place, you lost 8% damage you can make up for with other sets and group buffs.
I found the same thing, but BGs were mostly Necros. I think when the patch hits the DKs will switch to Warden and projectiles will stay mostly ineffective.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
Havoc Warhammer - Alair
LoC EQ2 - Mayi and Iskiab
PRX and Tabula Rasa - Rift - Iskiab
Or anyone else I used to play games with in guilds I’ve forgotten0 -
Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭I cant help but wonder how many of you actually went over to the pts to see how the change effected things, and how many just read a thing then got upset. NB is doing pretty well on pts, the ones I have tested and seen are not suffering some game ending blow to the ankles. Often times things look worse on paper then in practice. It doesn't even look that bad on paper in the first place, you lost 8% damage you can make up for with other sets and group buffs.
Tbh these changes actually twisted my playstyle to not fire AW when its up to pressure my enemy but to hold it for the passive mitigation until the burst window opens. I guess thats the way this skill is intended to be used, but in comparison to live I now have indirectly less pressure through less frequent AW shots. Its kinda weird, one can adapt, but I wouldve prefered to see the damage mitigaion on leeching strikes instead.0 -
Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭I cant help but wonder how many of you actually went over to the pts to see how the change effected things, and how many just read a thing then got upset. NB is doing pretty well on pts, the ones I have tested and seen are not suffering some game ending blow to the ankles. Often times things look worse on paper then in practice. It doesn't even look that bad on paper in the first place, you lost 8% damage you can make up for with other sets and group buffs.
Tbh these changes actually twisted my playstyle to not fire AW when its up to pressure my enemy but to hold it for the passive mitigation until the burst window opens. I guess thats the way this skill is intended to be used, but in comparison to live I now have indirectly less pressure through less frequent AW shots. Its kinda weird, one can adapt, but I wouldve prefered to see the damage mitigaion on leeching strikes instead.
or of course, just scrap mitigation all together and just buff our f***g useless selfhealing thorugh swallow soul and path0 -
darkblue5✭✭✭✭✭Guessing when it goes live Nightblades won't be good in BGs but I might not feel like I'm bringing the entire team down by solo-queueing a nb. Logging onto my magsorc and bashing my face repeatedly into the keyboard will still be vastly more effective in BGs.2 -
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✭Guessing when it goes live Nightblades won't be good in BGs but I might not feel like I'm bringing the entire team down by solo-queueing a nb. Logging onto my magsorc and bashing my face repeatedly into the keyboard will still be vastly more effective in BGs.
Lol and yet there’s still people that think magsorc ain’t the op-est spec rn.0 -
saganblackblade✭✭✭OP has a point. Learn to play NB as a guerrilla fighter in pvp using sneak attacks as oppurtunity, not as the only tool in your kit.Edited by saganblackblade on May 7, 2019 6:23PM0 -
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✭✭You all don't get it... NBs can't tank or heal, their only purpose is doing dmg and that's it... If you want to be a brawler, pick a DK, if you want to have high heals, pick a Templar...
Stop this nonsense, don't try to make the damn Rogue class into a tank because it's clearly not one.
I'm sick of Devs trying to reinvent the wheel, sometimes it make me think that they haven't play an MMO in their lives...
You need to stop posting altogether. You are making yourself look like a fool.3 -
Ragnarock41✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »Brawler nightblade builds are about to be in the best spot they’ve been in a long time. I am excited to test out the changes.
They were already the best at what they did, now even better.0