Grim Focus "nerf" is actually a buff
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✭✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »
Yep. A 10k merciless in no-CP = 3300 heal = 1650 after battle spirit.
That one will save ya!
do damage percent based heals get halved? i am pretty sure they they don't, as they are already halved in the damaged part.
Doesn't matter. Devs trying to pass it off as a burst heal truly is comical
Lol do you get a heal in one chunk? Then that's a burst heal.Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
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Curious when sorcs are going to get similar treatment. Maybe making haunting a projectile to allow better counterplay?
The same day when cloak will recive streak increase cost treatment lol. Seriously sorry but I cant stop laughing when I see dodge roll spamming stamblades complaining about curse in context of counterplay.Edited by ZOS_JesC on May 6, 2019 3:16PM3 -
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Chelo✭✭✭✭✭You all don't get it... NBs can't tank or heal, their only purpose is doing dmg and that's it... If you want to be a brawler, pick a DK, if you want to have high heals, pick a Templar...
Stop this nonsense, don't try to make the damn Rogue class into a tank because it's clearly not one.
I'm sick of Devs trying to reinvent the wheel, sometimes it make me think that they haven't play an MMO in their lives...2 -
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✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »
Yep. A 10k merciless in no-CP = 3300 heal = 1650 after battle spirit.
That one will save ya!
do damage percent based heals get halved? i am pretty sure they they don't, as they are already halved in the damaged part.
Doesn't matter. Devs trying to pass it off as a burst heal truly is comical
Lol do you get a heal in one chunk? Then that's a burst heal.
You heard it folks, 1-2k hp is a “burst heal”
My CP gives me a “burst heal” when I get crit too.
Can’t forget stamplar’s “burst heal” from Jabs
Or stamsorc’s “burst heals” from Surge
Or Warden’s “burst heal” from using an animal companion
If it’s not returning a noticeable chunk of HP, it’s not a burst heal. If it can be dodged, it’s not a reliable heal. If it can be reduced by an enemy’s resists, it’s not a good heal.9 -
Muzzick✭✭✭✭Lightspeedflashb14_ESO wrote: »brandonv516 wrote: »
Yep. A 10k merciless in no-CP = 3300 heal = 1650 after battle spirit.
That one will save ya!
do damage percent based heals get halved? i am pretty sure they they don't, as they are already halved in the damaged part.
Doesn't matter. Devs trying to pass it off as a burst heal truly is comical
Lol do you get a heal in one chunk? Then that's a burst heal.
You heard it folks, 1-2k hp is a “burst heal”
My CP gives me a “burst heal” when I get crit too.
Can’t forget stamplar’s “burst heal” from Jabs
Or stamsorc’s “burst heals” from Surge
Or Warden’s “burst heal” from using an animal companion
If it’s not returning a noticeable chunk of HP, it’s not a burst heal. If it can be dodged, it’s not a reliable heal. If it can be reduced by an enemy’s resists, it’s not a good heal.
If you can't use it when you need it, it's not a burst heal15 -
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Curious when sorcs are going to get similar treatment. Maybe making haunting a projectile to allow better counterplay?
The same day when cloak will recive streak increase cost treatment lol. Seriously sorry but I cant stop laughing when I see dodge roll spamming stamblades complaining about curse in context of counterplay.
Yeah I know magsorcs hate the thought of their opponents defending themselves. It would go against the class's identify of effortlessly killing people.Edited by ZOS_JesC on May 6, 2019 3:17PM7 -
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Curious when sorcs are going to get similar treatment. Maybe making haunting a projectile to allow better counterplay?
The same day when cloak will recive streak increase cost treatment lol. Seriously sorry but I cant stop laughing when I see dodge roll spamming stamblades complaining about curse in context of counterplay.
Yeah I know magsorcs hate the thought of their opponents defending themselves. It would go against the class's identify of effortlessly killing people.
Yeah i know stamblades hate the thought of their opponents having chance to deal any damage to dodging , cloaking and shading stamblades. It would go against stamblades identity to think about the balance not just about them being able to effortlesy avoid most of the builds damage.Edited by ZOS_JesC on May 6, 2019 3:17PM2 -
Darkonflare15✭✭✭✭✭Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »[removed quote]
NB never rly had anything else. They are trash as tanks and healers. DPS was where they shined.
Warden & Necro are classes designed from the ground to have DPS, Healing and Tanking class "tree" skills. They even mentioned that on the last ESO stream.
NB as all base game classes were designed by certain "archetype", with NB being an "Assassins". So for a long time it made a perfect sense that They should be very good at DPS, but weaker at other roles.
The frustration almost all NB are having right now is that DPS role for NB has been nerfed but there were little to no buffs for healing & tanking role. Those in fact were nerfed too for a bizarre reason...
That mind set has been thrown out five years ago. There is no such things as a dps only class. They are all dps, tanks, and healers since this game begin. Being weak at something does not negate the fact that you can do it. Nightblades literally have the shadow tree. Every passive in that tree is defensive. I have been healing on Night blades since the first year of the game. Warden and Necro have clearly designed role trees but let's not forget that everything in each tree is not exactly useful for just one role.
There are skills in the healing tree that dps and tanks can use and vice versa. Says no buff to tanking but you are complaing about a skill that buff damage thay now gives a damage mitgation buff. So I guess that is buff to tanking. Let's not forget that Mirage which is part of Assassin's tree also is tanking skill. How about that the fear skill in Shadow skill actual keeps adds in place now so Nightblades tanks have cc. Zos have been doing this for years. They want all classes do all roles.Edited by ZOS_JesC on May 6, 2019 3:18PM1 -
burglar✭✭✭✭I understand how a lot of people are doubtful of the changes coming down the line, as the changes we've seen in the past have been pretty wonky for the most part. But, ever since they changed up the combat team I've seen mostly good adjustments, and this has changed my outlook for the game. Granted, we haven't seen a ton change yet, but the incremental changes we have seen have at least a ray of hope in them and this has happened with most changes since the combat team re-org.
I mean, this might be a bad analogy but, being settled on negative feelings now is like being at the car shop, and just as the mechanic takes your tires off to change them, you come in and say "I really don't think that this is going to work out... How will I drive with no tires, dummy?" and he would reply, "well give me a minute, and I will put them back on, like you asked me... with new tread too." Software development just takes a little longer than we're used to, I think. I could be naive.
Iunno, I'm gonna wait and see. Maybe NBs are going to get some stronger skills to improve tanking and healing, but first they need to down-tune NBs strongest skills so when buffs are added to the class it doesn't create an extreme imbalance that drives people to whine, and/or leave.Bosmer Melee Magicka Nightblade0 -
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Curious when sorcs are going to get similar treatment. Maybe making haunting a projectile to allow better counterplay?
The same day when cloak will recive streak increase cost treatment lol. Seriously sorry but I cant stop laughing when I see dodge roll spamming stamblades complaining about curse in context of counterplay.
Yeah I know magsorcs hate the thought of their opponents defending themselves. It would go against the class's identify of effortlessly killing people.
Yeah i know stamblades hate the thought of their opponents having chance to deal any damage to dodging , cloaking and shading stamblades. It would go against stamblades identity to think about the balance not just about them being able to effortlesy avoid most of the builds damage.
Oh you mean the same balance you forget everytime is about NB?
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Jeezye✭✭✭✭✭dps class, is suppose to D P S
so this is good.
thats why im not a healer
thats why im not a tank
i chose D P S because i want a dps class.
There is not such thing as DPS class. Every class is designed to be viable in every function with its own twist.
If you think NBs is all about damage you didn’t get the concept of the game.
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e-rwan✭✭brandonv516 wrote: »
Yep. A 10k merciless in no-CP = 3300 heal = 1650 after battle spirit.
That one will save ya!
Typically the heal that is based on a damage skill in PVP does not have the same half restriction of normal heals because the damage is already cut in half.
Do you have a link or doc proving this? it is something I have been wondering for a long time now, about strife for example.0 -
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Mag sorcs will get there’s next there damage is on equal footing to nb only difference is they also have better survivability let’s see how mag sorcs deal with there nerfs when it happens
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Curious when sorcs are going to get similar treatment. Maybe making haunting a projectile to allow better counterplay?
The same day when cloak will recive streak increase cost treatment lol. Seriously sorry but I cant stop laughing when I see dodge roll spamming stamblades complaining about curse in context of counterplay.
and that'll happen when ZoS adds potions that prevent sorcs from streaking and Shielding for 15 seconds.Edited by ZOS_JesC on May 6, 2019 3:19PMInvictus4 -
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Curious when sorcs are going to get similar treatment. Maybe making haunting a projectile to allow better counterplay?
The same day when cloak will recive streak increase cost treatment lol. Seriously sorry but I cant stop laughing when I see dodge roll spamming stamblades complaining about curse in context of counterplay.
and that'll happen when ZoS adds potions that prevent sorcs from streaking and Shielding for 15 seconds.
That will happen when detect potions will also disable options for nightblade to use shadow image dodge roll and moving for 15 seconds.Edited by ZOS_JesC on May 6, 2019 3:19PM3 -
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✭✭✭Aren’t sorcs considered the strongest pvp class along with stamwarden? Why are sorcs coming in and whining about cloak in this thread?
No one’s trying to nerf NBs, but maybe nerfing sorcs should be on the agenda.Edited by Iskiab on May 6, 2019 1:32PMLooking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭Aren’t sorcs considered the strongest pvp class along with stamwarden? Why are sorcs coming in and whining about cloak in this thread?
No one’s trying to nerf NBs, but maybe nerfing sorcs should be on the agenda.
Not just “considered” lol. It’s a fact. And they are well above the competition rn.11 -
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✭Aren’t sorcs considered the strongest pvp class along with stamwarden? Why are sorcs coming in and whining about cloak in this thread?
No one’s trying to nerf NBs, but maybe nerfing sorcs should be on the agenda.
Mag sorc has the best defenses, best mobility, highest damage, and best sustain. All these are facts that can't really be argued against. So mag sorc is the unanimous number 1 class in PvP.6 -
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✭I think it’s a matter on context for if it’s a buff or a nerf. For those who’re glass canon, it’s a nerf. For those with pvp defenses it’s a buff.
If someone’s so glass canon that extra mitigation won’t help them they’re likely not going to see a difference. If someone plays giving up all defense for offense they’ll continue being free AP.
What do you mean continue being free ap? My glass canon gets way more kills then deaths. Maybe you are just doing it wrong?0 -
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Iskiab✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I think it’s a matter on context for if it’s a buff or a nerf. For those who’re glass canon, it’s a nerf. For those with pvp defenses it’s a buff.
If someone’s so glass canon that extra mitigation won’t help them they’re likely not going to see a difference. If someone plays giving up all defense for offense they’ll continue being free AP.
What do you mean continue being free ap? My glass canon gets way more kills then deaths. Maybe you are just doing it wrong?
More kills the deaths where, in BGs or cyrodiil? Against beginners they can work yes, against more experienced opponents they don’t work.Looking for any guildies I used to play with:
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✭✭rampant_cake wrote: »The minor berserk change will hurt the dps in trials groups that mainly consist of nightblades but have poor combat prayer uptime. I'm not saying that the change is bad, personally I'm pretty indifferent about it.
Damage in general is very high right now anyways.
Basically its a massive nerf in vMA. Losing Fracture and Berserk at once sucks.
As for PvP or vAS: Slimecraw just became a very useful set.@ Izaki #PCEU
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