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After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered.
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ehhh its over used mate, years of "nerf sorc" memes has just sucked all the fun out of it.Ah, e-communities - the "pinnacle" of the internet............yeah, right.2 -
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✭✭I suggest a cast time on NB cloak."Knee-jerk reactionist."
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✭✭The other day we had a premade team of four petsorc. Each had a twilight and a familiar. And a couple had that daedroth monster set.
I had a twilight too. And the other team also had a few pets. I have never seen such a zoo, even in real life."Knee-jerk reactionist."
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✭✭✭✭✭BjernarKhan wrote: »Going from StamBlade to a MagSorcerer
this was awesome
i will say though, stamblade is another fairly easy class/build to play - you can smash folks and hide in plain sight...try playing a dk, and, you're pretty much stuck being a pin cushion...kylewwefan wrote: »I don’t get it dude. You’re not saying Sorc is overpowered. I’m not saying Sorc is overpowered. What are we even arguing about?
The OP is saying Sorc is overpowered. He thinks they need nerffed. Hard. Or everything else brought up to their level. However you want to look at it.
I play every class. I’ll admit, mag warden is my fav. It doesn’t feel over or under powered. More just ok. I’d feel like WW could maybe use a bit of a nerf maybe...but not really....maybe templar healing needs nerffed..ahh not really.
The balance is not that far out of whack where even anything needs to be done.
The op never said sorc is overpowered.
*looks at thread title*
After playing sorc in PVP every other class just feels underpowered
Sidenote, and this is in no way to disparage the quoted player, but why is it that threads about nerfing magicka classes consistently display terrible literacy and language comprehension and at the same time lack numerical evidence to support the claims?
If we're going off of anecdotes and personal experience, I've not lost to a pet sorc since the last update. Not once.
I even despise the fact that pet sorcs are now just referred to as sorcs.
This isn't a nerf thread so I assume you're talking about some other thread right?
I get it. I get that the argument is lost and there is no hope of actual discussion, and that's why you're using direct phrasing defenses in response to everyone's rebuttals. It's discourteous to your audience, but I get it.
In this game, nerfing refers to changing something in order to reduce its effectiveness, superiority, or imbalance in comparison to other playstyles/classes.
Buffing other classes to "bring them in line" with your perception of the sorcerer class is nerfing sorc according to how you view the current power balance.
If a hill sticks out from the ground and you add earth to the surrounding land to even it out, you still removed the hill because the hill was defined as being above the rest of the landscape.
Using the word nerf is irrelevant when the process is the same. The only thing you've changed is how other perceive your actions, not the action itself.
That's why buff threads are just as effective as nerf threads, for they are one and the same.
holy cow @Kova , remind me never to get in to an argument with you...
i'm afraid of you dissecting my words and poking around inside of my head
Edited by geonsocal on May 1, 2019 11:47PMPVP Campaigns Section: Playstation NA and EU (Gray Host) - This Must be the Place0 -
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✭We've all known this to be true. Even sorc players know this, but they pretend it isn't true.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Been paying attention to BG scores (all teams) and what do I see placing the top:
(In no particular order)
Stam NB
Mag DK
Mag Sorc
Stam Warden
They all continuously place and rather evenly.
The true outlier is Templars. While in many of my BGs Templars (non healers) consistently have the highest damage caused have some of the fewest points.
I'd also like to note that while the top placers (points or kills) were rather even, the amounts of each class per BG was not even.
DKs and Sorcs are extremely popular (which would make you think they'd place more consistently higher - but no) Stam NBs aren't as popular as people probably think. Same with Stam Warden, not popular at all when compared to the other contenders.
Mag NB, Mag Warden, are very rare.
My observations in my MMR
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The title should be "After playing Nightblade in PVP every other class just feels underpowered. " and then it will be correct.
But no worries, Nightblade is being taken care of on PTS!
I can't wait for the changes to go live
Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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✭✭Waffennacht wrote: »Been paying attention to BG scores (all teams) and what do I see placing the top:
(In no particular order)
Stam NB
Mag DK
Mag Sorc
Stam Warden
They all continuously place and rather evenly.
The true outlier is Templars. While in many of my BGs Templars (non healers) consistently have the highest damage caused have some of the fewest points.
I'd also like to note that while the top placers (points or kills) were rather even, the amounts of each class per BG was not even.
DKs and Sorcs are extremely popular (which would make you think they'd place more consistently higher - but no) Stam NBs aren't as popular as people probably think. Same with Stam Warden, not popular at all when compared to the other contenders.
Mag NB, Mag Warden, are very rare.
My observations in my MMR
On mag warden, it’s vey common for me to have 20+ assist and maybe 3~5 kills. Probably same for high damage output Templars. They get a piece of everything, but They’re just not sealing the deal.
At the end of the game, it’s not about how much damage or heals you put out, but how many kills you secured on the kk meter.
Sorc’s built in passive implosion execute kind of helps them out a bit a good bit with this. I don’t think they really need changed or anything, apparently we need their help. Maybe change the scoring?
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✭✭starkerealm wrote: »Why is everybody acting like sorcs aren't in a great spot in pvp..nobody said anything about nerfing but y'all are coming here in droves talking about how underpowered sorcs are. Do you even take yourself seriously when you say these things?
Thing is, this is not the first time in recent weeks that you started a thread stating that mag sorcs are/feel overpowered to you. You could easily have continued the discussion in your older thread, but you choose to start a new one instead.
Calling a class overpowered IS a nerv request.
Last thread was derailed by everybody saying sorc is only good at potato killing or that wardens are op so no need to talk about sorcs. Started a new one to see if it stays on topic..but sure enough nope. Also, you're wrong. Calling a class powerful is not a nerf request.
I am actually so tired of the “sorc kills potatoes” argument, because it is so blatantly false, and is 100% pushed by sorcs who have not yet learned to play.
I’m in the process of uploading an amusing video in which myself and a stam warden completely dominated a BG — and I only realized at the end of it that I had the wrong freaking helm equipped (meaning my kill count would have been higher). I’d really like someone to explain to me why a stamden spamming shalks and S2W is considered to legitimately earn a kill, while a magsorc using a rotation of Curse, Reach, Frags, and Fury is “kill stealing.”
I mean, to be fair, sorcs do kill potatoes... and good players, and everyone else, indiscriminately. There is a skill threshold to become a god of lightning and angry hate-tells, but it's not that high.
Until you run into a MagDk with wings up. Then you just run...until Elsweyr lol.0 -
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✭✭kylewwefan wrote: »Waffennacht wrote: »Been paying attention to BG scores (all teams) and what do I see placing the top:
(In no particular order)
Stam NB
Mag DK
Mag Sorc
Stam Warden
They all continuously place and rather evenly.
The true outlier is Templars. While in many of my BGs Templars (non healers) consistently have the highest damage caused have some of the fewest points.
I'd also like to note that while the top placers (points or kills) were rather even, the amounts of each class per BG was not even.
DKs and Sorcs are extremely popular (which would make you think they'd place more consistently higher - but no) Stam NBs aren't as popular as people probably think. Same with Stam Warden, not popular at all when compared to the other contenders.
Mag NB, Mag Warden, are very rare.
My observations in my MMR
On mag warden, it’s vey common for me to have 20+ assist and maybe 3~5 kills. Probably same for high damage output Templars. They get a piece of everything, but They’re just not sealing the deal.
At the end of the game, it’s not about how much damage or heals you put out, but how many kills you secured on the kk meter.
Sorc’s built in passive implosion execute kind of helps them out a bit a good bit with this. I don’t think they really need changed or anything, apparently we need their help. Maybe change the scoring?
Implosion no longer exists. It's kill stealing with Fury, the bursty nature of their damage, and their mobility and range that allows to quickly focus vulnerable targets which lead to mag Sorcerer's tendency to finish with more killing blows than assists and many killing blows compared to total dmg dealt.Edited by ToRelax on May 2, 2019 12:28PMDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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The title should be "After playing Nightblade in PVP every other class just feels underpowered. " and then it will be correct.
But no worries, Nightblade is being taken care of on PTS!
I can't wait for the changes to go live
Yep, then it will be sorc's turn again on the block.
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✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »ROFL
The title should be "After playing Nightblade in PVP every other class just feels underpowered. " and then it will be correct.
But no worries, Nightblade is being taken care of on PTS!
I can't wait for the changes to go live
Yep, then it will be sorc's turn again on the block.
In my opinion it will be the stamina Warden.
Magicka Sorcerer is fine, it is just the Pet magicka sorcerer which is OP in 1v1, small scale and 1VX.
When people say sorcerer is OP, they are mostly referring to the cheese pet builds.Edited by Universe on May 2, 2019 1:19PMSome videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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✭✭✭✭✭Nope I am specifically referring to sorc's long range from safety spammable execute.1 -
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✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Nope I am specifically referring to sorc's long range from safety spammable execute.
That execute is all that left to Sorcerer.
Implosion is gone.Some videos I recorded for fun: Main character:
PC EU main: Universe - AD magicka Sorcerer, Former Emperor, Grand Overlord, The Merciless, Trial Bosses Solo Champion
Top alts: Genius(stamina/sagicka Dragonknight) The Force(stamina Nightblade) and other chars.
PC NA main: The Magic - AD magicka Sorcerer
Started playing ESO in beta & early access
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✭✭✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Nope I am specifically referring to sorc's long range from safety spammable execute.
That execute is all that left to Sorcerer.
Implosion is gone.
Sorc has many tools in their kit.
The execute needs it's range reduced if nothing else.
Give it the Steel Tornando treatment.Edited by TequilaFire on May 2, 2019 1:35PM0 -
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I don't agree. Mag sorcs have a balance of mobility, burst, and defense that each class should strive for. Bringing other classes up to this level would be fun and healthy for the game right? I think they are balanced not overpowered.kylewwefan wrote: »No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.
I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.
Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.
I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.
No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?
Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.
You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.
That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.
ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread
Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.
So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."
To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.
1st. How is the evidence faulty..i'll answer that for you it's not but you don't like it so you try to find something to nit pick at.
2nd. 4/85 is not several other posts.
3rd. You're the one calling petsorcs overpowered nobody on this side is saying anything about sorc being overpowered last time i'll say that.
I also don't see a lot of the 85 people who voted for mag sorc specify that it isn't in fact the bow/bow magsorcs that are OP, so clearly that counts as evidence that those are actually the most powerful build in PvP. /s
If, as per your thread title, every other class were indeed underpowered, then that is the same as saying magsorc is overpowered.
This clearly isn't getting anywhere, but it sure is amusing.
So you are like saying that balance is an innate quality of a class independent of the other classes and also excludes being overpowered, which might mean god knows what to you.
Now how exactly their mobility, burst and defense define that balance still eludes me... but I do hope that balance doesn't require other classes to have similar levels of all of these.
Keep it up.
For me balance is a concept relative to the current state of the game. After murkmire mobility changes sorcs became the most balanced class. If how mobility, burst, and defense comes into play when gauging balance still eludes you then idk what to say lol. Also, balance for me does require other classes to have similar levels of all of those.0 -
Betty_Booms✭✭✭Zoo sorcs are bad...more of an annoyance then a threat. Most high mmr players play only with matriach for the heal.
And the person that does 30-0. I never see you in BGs so you must be still in pre-school MMR bashing up babies.
Other then "#petsarebaaaahd" there has been no specific detail offered on what is OP about a sorc. Nor has there been anything offered to detail just how other classes should be buffed.
If you are crying about lack of constructive conversation perhaps add some yourself so the conversation can be built upon.
And inevitably, why would Zos take on the momunmental task of buffing and balancing all the othe classes around a mag sorc when ist 100 times easier just to nerf the sorc...I see what you doing...
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Ayastigi✭✭✭✭Betty_Booms wrote: »Zoo sorcs are bad...more of an annoyance then a threat. Most high mmr players play only with matriach for the heal.
And the person that does 30-0. I never see you in BGs so you must be still in pre-school MMR bashing up babies.
Other then "#petsarebaaaahd" there has been no specific detail offered on what is OP about a sorc. Nor has there been anything offered to detail just how other classes should be buffed.
If you are crying about lack of constructive conversation perhaps add some yourself so the conversation can be built upon.
And inevitably, why would Zos take on the momunmental task of buffing and balancing all the othe classes around a mag sorc when ist 100 times easier just to nerf the sorc...I see what you doing...
I don't know who you're talking to since you didn't quote them but the person who goes 30-0 might be on a different platform so calm down lol. We've discussed how to balance other classes to sorcs level..if you read through the thread you would see that. Once again nobody said sorcs are op that is something y'all keep saying. So basically everything you said is kinda opposite of the reality of the thread.Edited by Ayastigi on May 2, 2019 3:20PM0 -
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I don't agree. Mag sorcs have a balance of mobility, burst, and defense that each class should strive for. Bringing other classes up to this level would be fun and healthy for the game right? I think they are balanced not overpowered.kylewwefan wrote: »No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.
I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.
Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.
I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.
No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?
Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.
You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.
That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.
ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread
Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.
So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."
To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.
1st. How is the evidence faulty..i'll answer that for you it's not but you don't like it so you try to find something to nit pick at.
2nd. 4/85 is not several other posts.
3rd. You're the one calling petsorcs overpowered nobody on this side is saying anything about sorc being overpowered last time i'll say that.
I also don't see a lot of the 85 people who voted for mag sorc specify that it isn't in fact the bow/bow magsorcs that are OP, so clearly that counts as evidence that those are actually the most powerful build in PvP. /s
If, as per your thread title, every other class were indeed underpowered, then that is the same as saying magsorc is overpowered.
This clearly isn't getting anywhere, but it sure is amusing.
So you are like saying that balance is an innate quality of a class independent of the other classes and also excludes being overpowered, which might mean god knows what to you.
Now how exactly their mobility, burst and defense define that balance still eludes me... but I do hope that balance doesn't require other classes to have similar levels of all of these.
Keep it up.
For me balance is a concept relative to the current state of the game. After murkmire mobility changes sorcs became the most balanced class. If how mobility, burst, and defense comes into play when gauging balance still eludes you then idk what to say lol. Also, balance for me does require other classes to have similar levels of all of those.
If by balance you meant the potential power of classes and playstyles relative to each other, like I do, then it would be clear what mobility, burst and defense have to do with it. If one build is better at one of these things than another, it adds to their power level, getting the game either closer to a balanced state or farther from it, dependent on the build's other qualities.
Now from what you just stated, your idea of balance would instead imply that all classes had the same specified amounts of mobility, burst and defense. Is that really what you want to say? If so, I guess I should be thankful you don't work at ZOS.Edited by ToRelax on May 2, 2019 4:12PMDAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
The Covenant is broken. The Enemy has won...
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Ayastigi✭✭✭✭
I don't agree. Mag sorcs have a balance of mobility, burst, and defense that each class should strive for. Bringing other classes up to this level would be fun and healthy for the game right? I think they are balanced not overpowered.kylewwefan wrote: »No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.
I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.
Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.
I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.
No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?
Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.
You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.
That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.
ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread
Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.
So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."
To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.
1st. How is the evidence faulty..i'll answer that for you it's not but you don't like it so you try to find something to nit pick at.
2nd. 4/85 is not several other posts.
3rd. You're the one calling petsorcs overpowered nobody on this side is saying anything about sorc being overpowered last time i'll say that.
I also don't see a lot of the 85 people who voted for mag sorc specify that it isn't in fact the bow/bow magsorcs that are OP, so clearly that counts as evidence that those are actually the most powerful build in PvP. /s
If, as per your thread title, every other class were indeed underpowered, then that is the same as saying magsorc is overpowered.
This clearly isn't getting anywhere, but it sure is amusing.
So you are like saying that balance is an innate quality of a class independent of the other classes and also excludes being overpowered, which might mean god knows what to you.
Now how exactly their mobility, burst and defense define that balance still eludes me... but I do hope that balance doesn't require other classes to have similar levels of all of these.
Keep it up.
For me balance is a concept relative to the current state of the game. After murkmire mobility changes sorcs became the most balanced class. If how mobility, burst, and defense comes into play when gauging balance still eludes you then idk what to say lol. Also, balance for me does require other classes to have similar levels of all of those.
If by balance you meant the potential power of classes and playstyles relative to each other, like I do, then it would be clear what mobility, burst and defense have to do with it. If one build is better at one of these things than another, it adds to their power level, getting the game either closer to a balanced state or farther from it, dependent on the build's other qualities.
Now from what you just stated, your idea of balance would instead imply that all classes had the same specified amounts of mobility, burst and defense. Is that really what you want to say? If so, I guess I should be thankful you don't work at ZOS.
"I gUeSs I sHoUlD bE tHaNkFuL yOu DoN't WoRk At ZoS" hahaha seriously you asked my points I gave them to you didn't add anything. The homogenization of skills/classes has been going on for several patches that's why certain skills are even classified as "rulebreakers" now because skills are becoming homogenized.1 -
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The title should be "After playing Nightblade in PVP every other class just feels underpowered. " and then it will be correct.
But no worries, Nightblade is being taken care of on PTS!
I can't wait for the changes to go live
Did you even read the patch notes? NB's are going to be able to stack more buffs now.0 -
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I don't agree. Mag sorcs have a balance of mobility, burst, and defense that each class should strive for. Bringing other classes up to this level would be fun and healthy for the game right? I think they are balanced not overpowered.kylewwefan wrote: »No idea where this thread went off to? The OP, who mains a Stam DK but mostly plays StamSorc concludes mag Sorc is overpowered because he gets kills easier with it.
I think the gist of it is that MagSorc is Not over or under powered, but just kind of right and fairly well balanced.
Trying to explain this in a myriad of hypothetical situations has gone far off the original sentiment.
I think what is being expressed by many here is that MagSorc has an easy Skill Learning Curve. Just meaning it’s a bit easier to get on and learn and perform well; more so than other classes.
No need to get defensive about anything, but how can you prove that Sorc is so overpowered that everything else needs buffed to compete against it? Wouldn’t it be far easier to Nerf Sorc to bring it in line with everyone else?
Ok, no one is asking for that. Just prove that Sorc is overpowered in some way. It’s really not? Then carry on. This topic of conversation is moot.
You say don't get defensive but your tone is defensive lol. The fact is nothing is gonna sway your opinion one way or the other. I could link this forum post https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/470743/complete/p1
It's a poll asking the strongest pvp class and mag sorc had over 40% of the votes with 2nd place garnering 23%
We could talk about how easy it is to 1vx on mag sorc compared to other classes which is evidenced by the fact that mag sorc has the most spots on the top 5 pvp clips of the week 2nd place isn't even close. I'm not trying to change your mind because your mind is made up. I'm talking to the people reading this who also feel like other classes could benefit from buffs to be brought up to the level of sorcs. For me I would like buffs to mobility, I know race against time has been reworked and will add another dimension to a lot of builds but I mean mobility that doesn't require a major expedition buff like streak. I do agree that sorcs are in a good spot for pvp but i've been saying that the whole time I think it comes down to the fact that you're upset this thread is still ongoing I may be wrong though...also, no need to prove sorc is overpowered as I've never said sorc is overpowered I've only said it's in a good spot for all forms of pvp.
That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP.
ToRelax Only 4 out of 85 votes for sorc specified pet sorc..Read the thread
Not everyone commented at all and 0 specified non pet sorc to be better overall.
One claimed no pet sorc would be better in no CP, but it actually falls farther behind because magicka efficiency is significantly more important there.
So what was the point you were trying to make when saying "That poll includes petsorc. Read the OP."
To call you out on faulty evidence. The poll and following thread do not say non pet sorc is particularly powerful except for the one instance I mentioned and argued against. Meanwhile both the OP and several other posts indicate that it is in fact pet sorcs who are currently overpowered.
1st. How is the evidence faulty..i'll answer that for you it's not but you don't like it so you try to find something to nit pick at.
2nd. 4/85 is not several other posts.
3rd. You're the one calling petsorcs overpowered nobody on this side is saying anything about sorc being overpowered last time i'll say that.
I also don't see a lot of the 85 people who voted for mag sorc specify that it isn't in fact the bow/bow magsorcs that are OP, so clearly that counts as evidence that those are actually the most powerful build in PvP. /s
If, as per your thread title, every other class were indeed underpowered, then that is the same as saying magsorc is overpowered.
This clearly isn't getting anywhere, but it sure is amusing.
So you are like saying that balance is an innate quality of a class independent of the other classes and also excludes being overpowered, which might mean god knows what to you.
Now how exactly their mobility, burst and defense define that balance still eludes me... but I do hope that balance doesn't require other classes to have similar levels of all of these.
Keep it up.
For me balance is a concept relative to the current state of the game. After murkmire mobility changes sorcs became the most balanced class. If how mobility, burst, and defense comes into play when gauging balance still eludes you then idk what to say lol. Also, balance for me does require other classes to have similar levels of all of those.
If by balance you meant the potential power of classes and playstyles relative to each other, like I do, then it would be clear what mobility, burst and defense have to do with it. If one build is better at one of these things than another, it adds to their power level, getting the game either closer to a balanced state or farther from it, dependent on the build's other qualities.
Now from what you just stated, your idea of balance would instead imply that all classes had the same specified amounts of mobility, burst and defense. Is that really what you want to say? If so, I guess I should be thankful you don't work at ZOS.
"I gUeSs I sHoUlD bE tHaNkFuL yOu DoN't WoRk At ZoS" hahaha seriously you asked my points I gave them to you didn't add anything. The homogenization of skills/classes has been going on for several patches that's why certain skills are even classified as "rulebreakers" now because skills are becoming homogenized.
Homogenization has been going on for over 4 years now, yet never was there even an attempt at letting all classes achieve similar maximum or common levels of mobility, burst and defense. So yes, it could be much worse would they listen to you instead.DAGON - ALTADOON - CHIM - GHARTOK
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